2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[Roy Hobbs]

Small sample? Im showing with an elite defender(Lebron) Tashaun can't score.  Just like with Ron Artest covering him. 

Like last year when Tayshaun averaged 13 pts, 5.8 rbs, and 3.2 assists through the playoffs?

Not a fair comparison on your part.

... about as fair as saying KG can't be the lead scorer on a good team.

[Rondo2287]

And if we are really saying that my team doesnt have enough scoring, Belinelli, Finley, AV, and Big Z all score around 10 points a game last year.  (AV had like 8.5 but Big Z had 13.5)  And Watson was 6 and 6 with points and assists

[indeedproceed]

Small sample? Im showing with an elite defender(Lebron) Tashaun can't score.  Just like with Ron Artest covering him. 

Like last year when Tayshaun averaged 13 pts, 5.8 rbs, and 3.2 assists through the playoffs?

Not a fair comparison on your part.

... about as fair as saying KG can't be the lead scorer on a good team.

I don't think he can be either, but I don't think he needs to be in Toronto. I think with Toronto's scorers on the outside KG can flirt with 20 ppg (probably closer to 16 or 18 though), but I think the Raps scoring will be low but balanced. The caveat will be that their defense will force other teams into scoring even less.

Haven't we gone over this before?

[Rondo2287]

We had but then I had been ranked 4th in my division which brought it back up again.  I had nothing to do with starting this all up again I might add!

[Roy Hobbs]

I don't think he can be either, but I don't think he needs to be in Toronto.

Wow.  I guess I'm out of touch with the thinking of Celtics fans.

KG was the leading playoff scorer on our championship team.  He was also the leading scorer in the fourth quarter of our playoff games during that run.  How can he not be the best scorer on a good team, then?  He's already proven that he can be.

I'm so confused.

[Rondo2287]

Its all laundry Roy

[wdleehi]

I don't think he can be either, but I don't think he needs to be in Toronto.

Wow.  I guess I'm out of touch with the thinking of Celtics fans.

KG was the leading playoff scorer on our championship team.  He was also the leading scorer in the fourth quarter of our playoff games during that run.  How can he not be the best scorer on a good team, then?  He's already proven that he can be.

I'm so confused.

I am just as confused?

A player that showed to be a solid 20+ scorer takes a stat hit to play with other scorers suddenly isn't a top offensive weapon?

[indeedproceed]

I don't think he can be either, but I don't think he needs to be in Toronto.

Wow.  I guess I'm out of touch with the thinking of Celtics fans.

KG was the leading playoff scorer on our championship team.  He was also the leading scorer in the fourth quarter of our playoff games during that run.  How can he not be the best scorer on a good team, then?  He's already proven that he can be.

I'm so confused.

I dunno I looked at the numbers and you're right about last year. 20.4 for KG compared to 19.7 for PP. I am really surprised by that. I wonder how much weight the 26 finals clincher blowout carries there, because I can not remember being awed by Garnett's scoring at all. Maybe its just an anecdotal memory thing.

I am not sayign that KG can't score. He can. I am just saying I do not believe he can score at a 20ppg clip anymore, or if he did he'd need to take way more shots, which would hurt his consistency.

Even in his unadulterated prime he wasn't a huge scorer. 24ppg is an awesome average, but its 4 pts higher than his career average of 20ppg. He's a guy who makes/made/will make (hopefully...lets not forget that there is a real NBA too and I hope Garnett rocks in that) his bones on efficient scoring coupled with elite rebounding and defending. In that regard he complements this Raptors team very well.

Honest question: If I told you Garnett led the Celtics in scoring this year would you be confident it was a good year?

[Rondo2287]

I would say that depends on wear the scoring was for the rest of the big three and rondo.  With Rondo becoming more of an offensive threat last year and perk developing his post game we probably wont need paul and ray to have a 25 ppg scoring average.  I think 20 may do it

[Roy Hobbs]

Honest question: If I told you Garnett led the Celtics in scoring this year would you be confident it was a good year?

I couldn't give an answer.  I mean, if you told me that he led the league in scoring, and that all five of our starters were healthy, I'd say it would be a very good year.

I mean, I don't know, IP.  Maybe you, Jsaad, and Charlie Rosen could get a room.

[JSD]

I don't think he can be either, but I don't think he needs to be in Toronto.

Wow.  I guess I'm out of touch with the thinking of Celtics fans.

KG was the leading playoff scorer on our championship team.  He was also the leading scorer in the fourth quarter of our playoff games during that run.  How can he not be the best scorer on a good team, then?  He's already proven that he can be.

I'm so confused.

I am just as confused?

A player that showed to be a solid 20+ scorer takes a stat hit to play with other scorers suddenly isn't a top offensive weapon?

Based on the facts, KG teams are more effective when he's not the #1 guy offensively.
(That isn't to say he's not a solid offensive player)<--- How many times do I have to say that?

This is not an original idea, thought or statement folks. Hobbs mentioned the 2004 season (5 years ago while in his prime mind you) where he was MVP and led his team to the WCF. But what about the 8 times he couldn't get his team out of the first round or how he was the leader of a lottery team come 2007? Also, look at the fact that once he was paired with 2 elite scoring weapons (making him #3) he won a title.

I love KG like everyone else here I promise.

[Tradetime]

Just stopping by to see all of the action here, not that I'd ever post my pick in a roster analysis thread 

[Roy Hobbs]

Well, so long as we completely ignore the 2004 and 2008 seasons, I guess the "KG can't be a leading scorer" argument holds up.

I'm pretty surprised by how little respect our superstar big man gets.  You'd think he was Ben Wallace, by the way folks talk about him.

[Rondo2287]

Charlotte Bobcats select Jeff Pendergraph

Haha wrong thread buddy!

[wdleehi]

I don't think he can be either, but I don't think he needs to be in Toronto.

Wow.  I guess I'm out of touch with the thinking of Celtics fans.

KG was the leading playoff scorer on our championship team.  He was also the leading scorer in the fourth quarter of our playoff games during that run.  How can he not be the best scorer on a good team, then?  He's already proven that he can be.

I'm so confused.

I am just as confused?

A player that showed to be a solid 20+ scorer takes a stat hit to play with other scorers suddenly isn't a top offensive weapon?

Based on the facts, KG teams are more effective when he's not the #1 guy offensively.
(That isn't to say he's not a solid offensive player)<--- How many times do I have to say that?

This is not an original idea, thought or statement folks. Hobbs mentioned the 2004 season (5 years ago while in his prime mind you) where he was MVP and led his team to the WCF. But what about the 8 times he couldn't get his team out of the first round or how he was the leader of a lottery team come 2007? Also, look at the fact that once he was paired with 2 elite scoring weapons (making him #3) he won a title.

I love KG like everyone else here I promise.

But he lead them in scoring in  the playoffs.