2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[nickagneta]

I think KG is definitely a go to guy late. He his 20 footers like it's no ones business in the 4th quarter and is an 80% FT shooter. So he doesn't sit in the low block begging for the ball for a low post move but he's seriously clutch and effective in his style game and there is no better clutch 4th quarter defender in the league.

I find the notion a bit crazy that Garnett isn't a go to guy.

[Rondo2287]

The Question Jsaad didnt want to answer is Tayshaun Prince averaged 3.8 points a game in 32 minutes per game of a 4 game series

[Roy Hobbs]

4. Toronto Raptors – Look, I know where all enamored with KG and all but did we forget about his Minnesota days? He can not be the primary scorer or go to guy offensively. Great defensive team but one of the worst offensive teams (if not the worst) in the league. This team would be better in the playoffs but I can’t see them there.

Going outside the game here for a minute, I wouldn't say that's true about KG, at all, and I'm surprised you feel that way.  He's carried our team a ton down the stretch, including being the Celtics leading fourth quarter scorer in our championship run.  Additionally, he was an MVP in Minnesota, due to his play on both ends.

It just seems odd to have that opinion of a guy we've seen play so much over the past two seasons.

I'm surprised you disagree to be honest. To me, KG's status that I described has been well documented and witnessed for years. The guy is not a scoring ace, but that's not to take away from what he does on both ends of the floor.

Also Roy, without Garnett, the Celtics score a little better (103.2 PPG versus 99.9 PPG) and their shooting improves (49.8 compared to 48.0). Why is that? (#'s based on last season).

As I said, KG was our leading 4th quarter scorer in the playoffs.  He was also our leading scorer, *period*, in the playoffs.  Only Perk shot a higher percentage among our rotation players in the playoffs.  And yet, you're saying he can't score.  It just seems odd to me.

If KG can't score, then Pierce and Ray must really suck.

[JSD]

I think KG is definitely a go to guy late. He his 20 footers like it's no ones business in the 4th quarter and is an 80% FT shooter. So he doesn't sit in the low block begging for the ball for a low post move but he's seriously clutch and effective in his style game and there is no better clutch 4th quarter defender in the league.

I find the notion a bit crazy that Garnett isn't a go to guy.

Tinted green glasses aside, do you view him as a legitimate #1 scorer? I suppose he is on a 33 win team (2007 in Minn.).

[Rondo2287]

3.8

[JSD]

4. Toronto Raptors – Look, I know where all enamored with KG and all but did we forget about his Minnesota days? He can not be the primary scorer or go to guy offensively. Great defensive team but one of the worst offensive teams (if not the worst) in the league. This team would be better in the playoffs but I can’t see them there.

Going outside the game here for a minute, I wouldn't say that's true about KG, at all, and I'm surprised you feel that way.  He's carried our team a ton down the stretch, including being the Celtics leading fourth quarter scorer in our championship run.  Additionally, he was an MVP in Minnesota, due to his play on both ends.

It just seems odd to have that opinion of a guy we've seen play so much over the past two seasons.

I'm surprised you disagree to be honest. To me, KG's status that I described has been well documented and witnessed for years. The guy is not a scoring ace, but that's not to take away from what he does on both ends of the floor.

Also Roy, without Garnett, the Celtics score a little better (103.2 PPG versus 99.9 PPG) and their shooting improves (49.8 compared to 48.0). Why is that? (#'s based on last season).

As I said, KG was our leading 4th quarter scorer in the playoffs.  He was also our leading scorer, *period*, in the playoffs.  Only Perk shot a higher percentage among our rotation players in the playoffs.  And yet, you're saying he can't score.  It just seems odd to me.

If KG can't score, then Pierce and Ray must really suck.

Woah woah... Where did I say "KG can't score" ? I said he's not a #1 scoring option on a successful team. He's a #2 or 3.

[Roy Hobbs]

I think KG is definitely a go to guy late. He his 20 footers like it's no ones business in the 4th quarter and is an 80% FT shooter. So he doesn't sit in the low block begging for the ball for a low post move but he's seriously clutch and effective in his style game and there is no better clutch 4th quarter defender in the league.

I find the notion a bit crazy that Garnett isn't a go to guy.

Tinted green glasses aside, do you view him as a legitimate #1 scorer? I suppose he is on a 33 win team (2007 in Minn.).

You asked us to look at his Minnesota days for proof.  I don't get it.  In what year didn't KG lead the Twolves in scoring?  That team made it to the Western Conference Finals, and KG was league MVP.

I'm just very surprised, that a member of CB is saying this.  It doesn't seem only motivated by posturing, either.

[indeedproceed]

The Question Jsaad didnt want to answer is Tayshaun Prince averaged 3.8 points a game in 32 minutes per game of a 4 game series

Rondo what are Tayshaun Prince's career playoff averages? Don't poach numbers from small sample sizes when there are bigger more representational numbers out there, it's not bein honest.

[JSD]

The Question Jsaad didnt want to answer is Tayshaun Prince averaged 3.8 points a game in 32 minutes per game of a 4 game series

First off, that's the exception not the rule. His career playoffs PPG is around 12.

2nd... Dwayne Wade.

[Rondo2287]

Small sample? Im showing with an elite defender(Lebron) Tashaun can't score.  Just like with Ron Artest covering him. 

[JSD]

I think KG is definitely a go to guy late. He his 20 footers like it's no ones business in the 4th quarter and is an 80% FT shooter. So he doesn't sit in the low block begging for the ball for a low post move but he's seriously clutch and effective in his style game and there is no better clutch 4th quarter defender in the league.

I find the notion a bit crazy that Garnett isn't a go to guy.

Tinted green glasses aside, do you view him as a legitimate #1 scorer? I suppose he is on a 33 win team (2007 in Minn.).

You asked us to look at his Minnesota days for proof.  I don't get it.  In what year didn't KG lead the Twolves in scoring?  That team made it to the Western Conference Finals, and KG was league MVP.

I'm just very surprised, that a member of CB is saying this.  It doesn't seem only motivated by posturing, either.

Ok, and what happened the moment he became the #2 guy?

Also, what happened the majority of times he was the #1 guy? (knocked out of the playoffs in the 1st round 8 times)

So don't be so surprised.

[Roy Hobbs]

4. Toronto Raptors – Look, I know where all enamored with KG and all but did we forget about his Minnesota days? He can not be the primary scorer or go to guy offensively. Great defensive team but one of the worst offensive teams (if not the worst) in the league. This team would be better in the playoffs but I can’t see them there.

Going outside the game here for a minute, I wouldn't say that's true about KG, at all, and I'm surprised you feel that way.  He's carried our team a ton down the stretch, including being the Celtics leading fourth quarter scorer in our championship run.  Additionally, he was an MVP in Minnesota, due to his play on both ends.

It just seems odd to have that opinion of a guy we've seen play so much over the past two seasons.

I'm surprised you disagree to be honest. To me, KG's status that I described has been well documented and witnessed for years. The guy is not a scoring ace, but that's not to take away from what he does on both ends of the floor.

Also Roy, without Garnett, the Celtics score a little better (103.2 PPG versus 99.9 PPG) and their shooting improves (49.8 compared to 48.0). Why is that? (#'s based on last season).

As I said, KG was our leading 4th quarter scorer in the playoffs.  He was also our leading scorer, *period*, in the playoffs.  Only Perk shot a higher percentage among our rotation players in the playoffs.  And yet, you're saying he can't score.  It just seems odd to me.

If KG can't score, then Pierce and Ray must really suck.

Woah woah... Where did I say "KG can't score" ? I said he's not a #1 scoring option on a successful team. He's a #2 or 3.

... and yet, he's been the #1 scoring option on a team that reached the Western Conference Finals, and the #1 scoring option on a team that won the championship in 2008.

It's an odd argument you're making.

[nickagneta]

I think KG is definitely a go to guy late. He his 20 footers like it's no ones business in the 4th quarter and is an 80% FT shooter. So he doesn't sit in the low block begging for the ball for a low post move but he's seriously clutch and effective in his style game and there is no better clutch 4th quarter defender in the league.

I find the notion a bit crazy that Garnett isn't a go to guy.

Tinted green glasses aside, do you view him as a legitimate #1 scorer? I suppose he is on a 33 win team (2007 in Minn.).

On the Celtics he doesn't have to be and on the Toronto team here he doesn't have to be. Rondo's team as currently constructed is very very good defensively. Offensively they have Miller, KG, and Artest who are all good scorers and I would foresee a lot of 85-80 type playoff games for Rondo's team. I don't think that team necessarily needs to have a number one scoring option, though I would feel better about that statement if they had better SGs. Championship team ALWAYS have dominant SGs. Toronto doesn't.

[indeedproceed]

Small sample? Im showing with an elite defender(Lebron) Tashaun can't score.  Just like with Ron Artest covering him. 

Like last year when Tayshaun averaged 13 pts, 5.8 rbs, and 3.2 assists through the playoffs?

Not a fair comparison on your part.

[Rondo2287]

Again that was on a team with a pointguard that was better at ball distribution which Boston doesnt have. I really think your are downplaying the Billups effect