2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[JSD]

I'm feeling pretty good after the trade...

Boston Celtics

Starters:
PG - Rafer Alston (30 MPG)
SG - Dwayne Wade (34 MPG)
SF - Tayshaun Prince (30 MPG)
PF - Antonio McDyess (25 MPG)
C - Nenê (32 MPG)

6th Man:
PG/SG - Leandro Barbosa (24 MPG)

Role Players:
PF/C - Chris Andersen (20 MPG)
SF - Rasual Butler (20 MPG)

Bench Player:
SF - Jarvis Hayes (10 MPG)
PF - Jared Jeffries (10 MPG)
SF - Matt Harpring (5 MPG)

Let me ask you something:

What's the difference between Portland giving nine guys 25 - 30 minutes, and you giving six guys 25 - 30 minutes, one guy 34 minutes, another guy 32, and then three other guys 25 minutes total?

It seems like almost the exact same thing you were criticizing us for, other than you have Wade playing 34 minutes rather than us having Rashard play 30.

I don't think it's a problem on your team, and I don't think it is on ours, either.

You defined it as "9 guys playing 25 - 30 minutes" I don't know who's starting, who's the first guy off the bench ect. Also, my minutes are at a rough draft stage.

[Roy Hobbs]

I'm feeling pretty good after the trade...

Boston Celtics

Starters:
PG - Rafer Alston (30 MPG)
SG - Dwayne Wade (34 MPG)
SF - Tayshaun Prince (30 MPG)
PF - Antonio McDyess (25 MPG)
C - Nenê (32 MPG)

6th Man:
PG/SG - Leandro Barbosa (24 MPG)

Role Players:
PF/C - Chris Andersen (20 MPG)
SF - Rasual Butler (20 MPG)

Bench Player:
SF - Jarvis Hayes (10 MPG)
PF - Jared Jeffries (10 MPG)
SF - Matt Harpring (5 MPG)

Let me ask you something:

What's the difference between Portland giving nine guys 25 - 30 minutes, and you giving six guys 25 - 30 minutes, one guy 34 minutes, another guy 32, and then three other guys 25 minutes total?

It seems like almost the exact same thing you were criticizing us for, other than you have Wade playing 34 minutes rather than us having Rashard play 30.

I don't think it's a problem on your team, and I don't think it is on ours, either.

You defined it as "9 guys playing 25 - 30 minutes" I don't know who's starting, who's the first guy off the bench ect. Also, my minutes are at a rough draft stage.

Depending upon who we're playing, we're going with one of two lineups:

C: Shaq
PF: Lewis
SF: Manu
SG: Redd
PG: Bibby

Subs:  Jermaine, Delonte, Miller, Gomes

or:

C: Shaq
PF: Jermaine
SF: Rashard
SG: Redd
PG: Bibby

Subs: Manu, Miller, Delonte, Gomes

That will be the rotation.

[indeedproceed]

30 Team Roster Page should now reflect all trades and draft picks made ever. Be sure to look at it to make sure I got your team right.

[Rondo2287]

After the Boston trades im looking at the Atlantic Like

1.Toronto
2.Philly
3.Boston
4.NY
5.NJ(Sorry Bud you have a good team its just a tough division!)

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After the Boston trades im looking at the Atlantic Like

1.Toronto
2.Philly
3.Boston
4.NY
5.NJ(Sorry Bud you have a good team its just a tough division!)

Boston rates out miles ahead of you at SG, relatively ahead of you at center, and mildly behind you at the point and 3. The only place you have the better player far and away is at the 4.

Couple that with a tight but very solid 8 man rotation...I don't think you can rank the atlantic as black and white as that. Philly Toronto and Boston are 1a,1b,and 1c.

[Rondo2287]

After the Boston trades im looking at the Atlantic Like

1.Toronto
2.Philly
3.Boston
4.NY
5.NJ(Sorry Bud you have a good team its just a tough division!)

Boston rates out miles ahead of you at SG, relatively ahead of you at center, and mildly behind you at the point and 3. The only place you have the better player far and away is at the 4.

Couple that with a tight but very solid 8 man rotation...I don't think you can rank the atlantic as black and white as that. Philly Toronto and Boston are 1a,1b,and 1c.

Artest is significantly better than prince.  And Alston doesnt belong in the same sentence as miller IMO.  I also think Camby/Ilgauskas are better then his denver combo

[indeedproceed]

After the Boston trades im looking at the Atlantic Like

1.Toronto
2.Philly
3.Boston
4.NY
5.NJ(Sorry Bud you have a good team its just a tough division!)

Boston rates out miles ahead of you at SG, relatively ahead of you at center, and mildly behind you at the point and 3. The only place you have the better player far and away is at the 4.

Couple that with a tight but very solid 8 man rotation...I don't think you can rank the atlantic as black and white as that. Philly Toronto and Boston are 1a,1b,and 1c.

Artest is significantly better than prince.  And Alston doesnt belong in the same sentence as miller IMO.  I also think Camby/Ilgauskas are better then his detroit combo

I disagree.

[Roy Hobbs]

After the Boston trades im looking at the Atlantic Like

1.Toronto
2.Philly
3.Boston
4.NY
5.NJ(Sorry Bud you have a good team its just a tough division!)

Boston rates out miles ahead of you at SG, relatively ahead of you at center, and mildly behind you at the point and 3. The only place you have the better player far and away is at the 4.

Couple that with a tight but very solid 8 man rotation...I don't think you can rank the atlantic as black and white as that. Philly Toronto and Boston are 1a,1b,and 1c.

You like Nene and Birdman that much better than Camby and Big Z?

I guess it depends on whether Nene continues his development, and whether Birdman learns to play defense (rather than just blocking shots). 

[Roy Hobbs]

Artest is significantly better than prince.  And Alston doesnt belong in the same sentence as miller IMO.  I also think Camby/Ilgauskas are better then his detroit combo

I disagree.

On which part?  I agree on part one and two, and I think part three could go either way.

Wade, of course, destroys Toronto at the 2, just like he does most teams.

[Rondo2287]

After the Boston trades im looking at the Atlantic Like

1.Toronto
2.Philly
3.Boston
4.NY
5.NJ(Sorry Bud you have a good team its just a tough division!)

Boston rates out miles ahead of you at SG, relatively ahead of you at center, and mildly behind you at the point and 3. The only place you have the better player far and away is at the 4.

Couple that with a tight but very solid 8 man rotation...I don't think you can rank the atlantic as black and white as that. Philly Toronto and Boston are 1a,1b,and 1c.

Artest is significantly better than prince.  And Alston doesnt belong in the same sentence as miller IMO.  I also think Camby/Ilgauskas are better then his detroit combo

I disagree.

Who does he have to distribute the ball? How many good season has Nene had?  Is it a coincidence Nene emerged when they got Billups at the point? Can Birdman keep up his motivation?  

[indeedproceed]

After the Boston trades im looking at the Atlantic Like

1.Toronto
2.Philly
3.Boston
4.NY
5.NJ(Sorry Bud you have a good team its just a tough division!)

Boston rates out miles ahead of you at SG, relatively ahead of you at center, and mildly behind you at the point and 3. The only place you have the better player far and away is at the 4.

Couple that with a tight but very solid 8 man rotation...I don't think you can rank the atlantic as black and white as that. Philly Toronto and Boston are 1a,1b,and 1c.

You like Nene and Birdman that much better than Camby and Big Z?

I guess it depends on whether Nene continues his development, and whether Birdman learns to play defense (rather than just blocking shots). 

Nene's man on man defense has been better than Camby's since before he was hurt. He's one of the few guys in the league who gives Tim Duncan fits. Camby is terrific weak side defender, but I don't think his man on man is that much above average. Nene's offensive game is way better than Camby's.

If you match up Anderson's mobility, enthusiasm, health, and age against Big Z's skill set, size and strength I think they even out.

[Rondo2287]

Nene In the playoffs against playoff defenses averaged 11.5 and 7.5. I don't think thats much better than camby

[indeedproceed]

After the Boston trades im looking at the Atlantic Like

1.Toronto
2.Philly
3.Boston
4.NY
5.NJ(Sorry Bud you have a good team its just a tough division!)

Boston rates out miles ahead of you at SG, relatively ahead of you at center, and mildly behind you at the point and 3. The only place you have the better player far and away is at the 4.

Couple that with a tight but very solid 8 man rotation...I don't think you can rank the atlantic as black and white as that. Philly Toronto and Boston are 1a,1b,and 1c.

Artest is significantly better than prince.  And Alston doesnt belong in the same sentence as miller IMO.  I also think Camby/Ilgauskas are better then his detroit combo

I disagree.

Who does he have to distribute the ball?

Between Wade and Alston they average 12+ assists a night. Do you really need more than that?

How many good season has Nene had?

Over the course of his career, he's averaged 11.8 points and 6.6 rebounds. Last year with a little more PT than other years, he managed 14.6 points and 8 rebounds. I don't think the "will Nene regress" argument is valid. I do think you can ask if he will ever get any better than he is now, but even if he remains static he's better than Camby.

Is it a coincidence Nene emerged when they got Billups at the point?

See above

Can Birdman keep up his motivation?  

Well, as I understand it Chris Andersen never brought anything but 100% try on the court. He just did heroin.

They do say never trust a junkie, but I think if he screws up it won't be on the court.

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Nene In the playoffs against playoff defenses averaged 11.5 and 7.5. I don't think thats much better than camby

How did camby do in the playoffs last year?...I don't have the numbers in front of me.

Is it a coincidence that Denver's defense got remarkably better after they shipped out Camby?

[Rondo2287]

I dont know how after watching the orlando series you can defend Alston.  He was either hitting his threes or He was aweful.  He also didnt run the offense, Turk did.  And then they replaced him for a guy that hadnt played 3/4 of the season in the finals.  

And I think its a very valid argument that Nene may regress seeing as how he has yet to play two seasons back to back in recent memory.  Which means this year he is due for an injury.  

And we have seen alot of players that depend soley on effort relax once they hit it big on a contract.  

Which do you think is more related
Denvers defense get better because.....

They lose a 4 time NBA all defense team member and 1 time defensive player of the year

or they replace Allen Iverson with Chauncey Billups 2 time NBA all defensive team.