2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[jgod213]

So whats everyone think of my roster now thats its almost filled out now:
PG:Flynn/Jennings/Williams/Sasha
SG:Roy/Mo Pete/Sasha/Sam Young
SF:Hedo/Young/Mo Pete
PF:Al Harrington/Dante Cunnigham/dalembert 
C:Dalembert/Thabeet

i like johnny flynn a lot - so much that i'd probably move jennings to give flynn assurance that he's the future and use jennings to aquire a young wing player.  i like sam young too, but he's not going to be a superstar.

[GaBerkowitz]

i like Hollins, as a developmental big guy for myself.  forget which game it was but saw him play once or twice on tv and didnt think he was half bad.

[Kwhit10]

Ok team is pretty much filled out

Starters
C:Andrew Bynum
PF:Emeka Okafor
SF:Carmelo Anthony
SG:Ronnie Brewer
PG:Baron Davis

Backups:
Jannero Pargo PG/SG When he is on fire he can light it up
Anthony Parker SG/SF Shoots at a high clip, plays good defense
Ronaldo Balkman SF/PF great energy guy off the bench
Joe Smith PF/C has his mid range shot, good as a backup.

The rest:
Steve Novak PF great 3pt shooter
Joey Graham SG shoots at a high clip overall
Lindsey Hunter PG will thrive against whoever has Eddie House 
Will Soloman PG played well when Calderon went down, fan favorite 
Tim Thomas PF can defend better as a PF, nice 3pt shot too
Francisco Elson C can do what is needed in spot minutes.

[Roy Hobbs]

Ok team is pretty much filled out

Starters
C:Andrew Bynum
PF:Emeka Okafor
SF:Carmelo Anthony
SG:Ronnie Brewer
PG:Baron Davis

Backups:
Jannero Pargo PG/SG When he is on fire he can light it up
Anthony Parker SG/SF Shoots at a high clip, plays good defense
Ronaldo Balkman SF/PF great energy guy off the bench
Joe Smith PF/C has his mid range shot, good as a backup.

The rest:
Steve Novak PF great 3pt shooter
Joey Graham SG shoots at a high clip overall
Lindsey Hunter PG will thrive against whoever has Eddie House 
Will Soloman PG played well when Calderon went down, fan favorite 
Tim Thomas PF can defend better as a PF, nice 3pt shot too
Francisco Elson C can do what is needed in spot minutes.

Do you have enough shooting / spacing in your lineup?

Bynum and Okafor are both more post-oriented.  Brewer is very poor from outside, as is Davis.  Only Carmelo in your lineup is an above-average shooter.

Pargo and Parker off your bench are decent, but does the lack of spacing among your starters both you?  (I got similar criticism last season, and I had significantly better shooters overall).

[bucknersrevenge]

Ok team is pretty much filled out

Starters
C:Andrew Bynum
PF:Emeka Okafor
SF:Carmelo Anthony
SG:Ronnie Brewer
PG:Baron Davis

Backups:
Jannero Pargo PG/SG When he is on fire he can light it up
Anthony Parker SG/SF Shoots at a high clip, plays good defense
Ronaldo Balkman SF/PF great energy guy off the bench
Joe Smith PF/C has his mid range shot, good as a backup.

The rest:
Steve Novak PF great 3pt shooter
Joey Graham SG shoots at a high clip overall
Lindsey Hunter PG will thrive against whoever has Eddie House 
Will Soloman PG played well when Calderon went down, fan favorite 
Tim Thomas PF can defend better as a PF, nice 3pt shot too
Francisco Elson C can do what is needed in spot minutes.

Do you have enough shooting / spacing in your lineup?

Bynum and Okafor are both more post-oriented.  Brewer is very poor from outside, as is Davis.  Only Carmelo in your lineup is an above-average shooter.

Pargo and Parker off your bench are decent, but does the lack of spacing among your starters both you?  (I got similar criticism last season, and I had significantly better shooters overall).

That was what immediately jumped out at me as well about this team for all the reasons you stated. I remember making a comment about your spacing too in Roy and yes you had significantly better shooting overall.

[Kwhit10]

Ok team is pretty much filled out

Starters
C:Andrew Bynum
PF:Emeka Okafor
SF:Carmelo Anthony
SG:Ronnie Brewer
PG:Baron Davis

Backups:
Jannero Pargo PG/SG When he is on fire he can light it up
Anthony Parker SG/SF Shoots at a high clip, plays good defense
Ronaldo Balkman SF/PF great energy guy off the bench
Joe Smith PF/C has his mid range shot, good as a backup.

The rest:
Steve Novak PF great 3pt shooter
Joey Graham SG shoots at a high clip overall
Lindsey Hunter PG will thrive against whoever has Eddie House 
Will Soloman PG played well when Calderon went down, fan favorite 
Tim Thomas PF can defend better as a PF, nice 3pt shot too
Francisco Elson C can do what is needed in spot minutes.

Do you have enough shooting / spacing in your lineup?

Bynum and Okafor are both more post-oriented.  Brewer is very poor from outside, as is Davis.  Only Carmelo in your lineup is an above-average shooter.

Pargo and Parker off your bench are decent, but does the lack of spacing among your starters both you?  (I got similar criticism last season, and I had significantly better shooters overall).

Brewer isn't good at shooting from 3 but he has one of the highest 2pt field goal %'s for backcourt players.  Davis isn't that bad of a 3pt shooter if he catches and shoots, if he tries to make a dribble and shoot he's much worse.  If we allow him to get Melo the ball and go to work it can open Davis as a more of a spot shooter.  Melo is going to command a lot of double team which will leave someone open.  If spacing becomes a problem we can have Okafor or Bynum at center and bring in Tim Thomas or Steve Novak to draw out opposing PFs if we run into a problem.

[bucknersrevenge]

Ok team is pretty much filled out

Starters
C:Andrew Bynum
PF:Emeka Okafor
SF:Carmelo Anthony
SG:Ronnie Brewer
PG:Baron Davis

Backups:
Jannero Pargo PG/SG When he is on fire he can light it up
Anthony Parker SG/SF Shoots at a high clip, plays good defense
Ronaldo Balkman SF/PF great energy guy off the bench
Joe Smith PF/C has his mid range shot, good as a backup.

The rest:
Steve Novak PF great 3pt shooter
Joey Graham SG shoots at a high clip overall
Lindsey Hunter PG will thrive against whoever has Eddie House 
Will Soloman PG played well when Calderon went down, fan favorite 
Tim Thomas PF can defend better as a PF, nice 3pt shot too
Francisco Elson C can do what is needed in spot minutes.

Do you have enough shooting / spacing in your lineup?

Bynum and Okafor are both more post-oriented.  Brewer is very poor from outside, as is Davis.  Only Carmelo in your lineup is an above-average shooter.

Pargo and Parker off your bench are decent, but does the lack of spacing among your starters both you?  (I got similar criticism last season, and I had significantly better shooters overall).

That was what immediately jumped out at me as well about this team for all the reasons you stated. I remember making a comment about your spacing too in Roy and yes you had significantly better shooting overall.

I looked back just to see what the numbers were for those guys since I remember being fairly vocal about your spacing and this is what I found:

TJ Ford 45%FG 34%3FG
Andre Igoudala 47%FG 31%3FG
Rudy Gay 45%FG 35%3FG

So in the end, not bad, not great. Could be worse. Though none of those guys are really spot up shooter.

[wdleehi]

Ok team is pretty much filled out

Starters
C:Andrew Bynum
PF:Emeka Okafor
SF:Carmelo Anthony
SG:Ronnie Brewer
PG:Baron Davis

Backups:
Jannero Pargo PG/SG When he is on fire he can light it up
Anthony Parker SG/SF Shoots at a high clip, plays good defense
Ronaldo Balkman SF/PF great energy guy off the bench
Joe Smith PF/C has his mid range shot, good as a backup.

The rest:
Steve Novak PF great 3pt shooter
Joey Graham SG shoots at a high clip overall
Lindsey Hunter PG will thrive against whoever has Eddie House 
Will Soloman PG played well when Calderon went down, fan favorite 
Tim Thomas PF can defend better as a PF, nice 3pt shot too
Francisco Elson C can do what is needed in spot minutes.

Really strong on defense.  If you run alot on offense, I think you can make do with your lack of shooting. 


Biggest concern is the depth of your big men.  Bynum has shown to be soft when injuries happen.  Do you think Joe Smith could step in for him if it was to happen a third year in a row? 

[bucknersrevenge]

Ok team is pretty much filled out

Starters
C:Andrew Bynum
PF:Emeka Okafor
SF:Carmelo Anthony
SG:Ronnie Brewer
PG:Baron Davis

Backups:
Jannero Pargo PG/SG When he is on fire he can light it up
Anthony Parker SG/SF Shoots at a high clip, plays good defense
Ronaldo Balkman SF/PF great energy guy off the bench
Joe Smith PF/C has his mid range shot, good as a backup.

The rest:
Steve Novak PF great 3pt shooter
Joey Graham SG shoots at a high clip overall
Lindsey Hunter PG will thrive against whoever has Eddie House 
Will Soloman PG played well when Calderon went down, fan favorite 
Tim Thomas PF can defend better as a PF, nice 3pt shot too
Francisco Elson C can do what is needed in spot minutes.

Do you have enough shooting / spacing in your lineup?

Bynum and Okafor are both more post-oriented.  Brewer is very poor from outside, as is Davis.  Only Carmelo in your lineup is an above-average shooter.

Pargo and Parker off your bench are decent, but does the lack of spacing among your starters both you?  (I got similar criticism last season, and I had significantly better shooters overall).

Brewer isn't good at shooting from 3 but he has one of the highest 2pt field goal %'s for backcourt players.  Davis isn't that bad of a 3pt shooter if he catches and shoots, if he tries to make a dribble and shoot he's much worse.  If we allow him to get Melo the ball and go to work it can open Davis as a more of a spot shooter.  Melo is going to command a lot of double team which will leave someone open.  If spacing becomes a problem we can have Okafor or Bynum at center and bring in Tim Thomas or Steve Novak to draw out opposing PFs if we run into a problem.

I'll be honest, I've never been a Davis fan. I just don't like that guy. But credit due he didn't make something of himself as a leader and volume scorer in Golden State. That team is gonna have to follow that model too to win. Run, run, run.......................and then run some more. I don't love Thomas or Novak as a shooting 4 because of what they give up at the other end. I do LOVE your frontcourt guys though. I just wish you had a different 2 guard there or a different PG.

[wdleehi]

What do you think the toughest Division to pick right now?

[indeedproceed]

Pacific is up there, Atlantic also..I'm not ready to say the Northwest.

[Kwhit10]

Ok team is pretty much filled out

Starters
C:Andrew Bynum
PF:Emeka Okafor
SF:Carmelo Anthony
SG:Ronnie Brewer
PG:Baron Davis

Backups:
Jannero Pargo PG/SG When he is on fire he can light it up
Anthony Parker SG/SF Shoots at a high clip, plays good defense
Ronaldo Balkman SF/PF great energy guy off the bench
Joe Smith PF/C has his mid range shot, good as a backup.

The rest:
Steve Novak PF great 3pt shooter
Joey Graham SG shoots at a high clip overall
Lindsey Hunter PG will thrive against whoever has Eddie House 
Will Soloman PG played well when Calderon went down, fan favorite 
Tim Thomas PF can defend better as a PF, nice 3pt shot too
Francisco Elson C can do what is needed in spot minutes.

Really strong on defense.  If you run alot on offense, I think you can make do with your lack of shooting. 


Biggest concern is the depth of your big men.  Bynum has shown to be soft when injuries happen.  Do you think Joe Smith could step in for him if it was to happen a third year in a row? 

If Bynum went down Okafor would see extended time at C, he did it in Charlotte even though he is more suited for PF.

[indeedproceed]

So whats everyone think of my roster now thats its almost filled out now:
PG:Flynn/Jennings/Williams/Sasha
SG:Roy/Mo Pete/Sasha/Sam Young
SF:Hedo/Young/Mo Pete
PF:Al Harrington/Dante Cunnigham/dalembert 
C:Dalembert/Thabeet

i like johnny flynn a lot - so much that i'd probably move jennings to give flynn assurance that he's the future and use jennings to aquire a young wing player.  i like sam young too, but he's not going to be a superstar.

I don't like Hedo and Roy, and maybe I'm the only one but I don't. I like Hedo on Orlando, where he handled the ball, and I love Roy in Portland, where he handled the ball, but I don't like Hedo AND Roy. They both have the rare skillset of being an excellent distributor, excellent ball handler, and excellent iso scorer.  

The problem is there is only one basketball. You have three guys who need it, and only one to use.

Hedo is much less effective without the ball in his hands. That much is common knowledge. If you turn him into a spot up shooter, which you will if you just run him off screens or have him sit in a corner while B Roy or Flynn or Jennings or whoever probes the paint, Hedo goes from a borderline all-star to average player who plays average to mediocre defense.

I don't know if the same goes for Brandon Roy. He plays decent defense, and he's talented enough to make the game come to him. I think he'll be fine. Hedo is the one who is expendable.

Of course Riah, you've heard this spiel from me before.

Does anyone agree?

[Kwhit10]

Ok team is pretty much filled out

Starters
C:Andrew Bynum
PF:Emeka Okafor
SF:Carmelo Anthony
SG:Ronnie Brewer
PG:Baron Davis

Backups:
Jannero Pargo PG/SG When he is on fire he can light it up
Anthony Parker SG/SF Shoots at a high clip, plays good defense
Ronaldo Balkman SF/PF great energy guy off the bench
Joe Smith PF/C has his mid range shot, good as a backup.

The rest:
Steve Novak PF great 3pt shooter
Joey Graham SG shoots at a high clip overall
Lindsey Hunter PG will thrive against whoever has Eddie House 
Will Soloman PG played well when Calderon went down, fan favorite 
Tim Thomas PF can defend better as a PF, nice 3pt shot too
Francisco Elson C can do what is needed in spot minutes.

Do you have enough shooting / spacing in your lineup?

Bynum and Okafor are both more post-oriented.  Brewer is very poor from outside, as is Davis.  Only Carmelo in your lineup is an above-average shooter.

Pargo and Parker off your bench are decent, but does the lack of spacing among your starters both you?  (I got similar criticism last season, and I had significantly better shooters overall).

Brewer isn't good at shooting from 3 but he has one of the highest 2pt field goal %'s for backcourt players.  Davis isn't that bad of a 3pt shooter if he catches and shoots, if he tries to make a dribble and shoot he's much worse.  If we allow him to get Melo the ball and go to work it can open Davis as a more of a spot shooter.  Melo is going to command a lot of double team which will leave someone open.  If spacing becomes a problem we can have Okafor or Bynum at center and bring in Tim Thomas or Steve Novak to draw out opposing PFs if we run into a problem.

I'll be honest, I've never been a Davis fan. I just don't like that guy. But credit due he didn't make something of himself as a leader and volume scorer in Golden State. That team is gonna have to follow that model too to win. Run, run, run.......................and then run some more. I don't love Thomas or Novak as a shooting 4 because of what they give up at the other end. I do LOVE your frontcourt guys though. I just wish you had a different 2 guard there or a different PG.

If we need more shooting at the 2 spot we can always put in Pargo for more offense or Parker for a more balanced offensive/defensive game, he shoots ~41% from 3 for his career.

[crownsy]

Ok team is pretty much filled out

Starters
C:Andrew Bynum
PF:Emeka Okafor
SF:Carmelo Anthony
SG:Ronnie Brewer
PG:Baron Davis

Backups:
Jannero Pargo PG/SG When he is on fire he can light it up
Anthony Parker SG/SF Shoots at a high clip, plays good defense
Ronaldo Balkman SF/PF great energy guy off the bench
Joe Smith PF/C has his mid range shot, good as a backup.

The rest:
Steve Novak PF great 3pt shooter
Joey Graham SG shoots at a high clip overall
Lindsey Hunter PG will thrive against whoever has Eddie House 
Will Soloman PG played well when Calderon went down, fan favorite 
Tim Thomas PF can defend better as a PF, nice 3pt shot too
Francisco Elson C can do what is needed in spot minutes.

Really strong on defense.  If you run alot on offense, I think you can make do with your lack of shooting. 


Biggest concern is the depth of your big men.  Bynum has shown to be soft when injuries happen.  Do you think Joe Smith could step in for him if it was to happen a third year in a row? 

If Bynum went down Okafor would see extended time at C, he did it in Charlotte even though he is more suited for PF.

but who;s your starting PF in that case? isn;t it joe smith?

If so, the question remains. joe smith isn't exactly a guy you can throw out there for 30+ a night.