2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[JSD]

Do you think Kevin Garnett as presently constituted can be a 20ppg scorer for an elite to championship level team? That would mean he is their best scoring option.

Why couldn't he be?  He averaged over 20 ppg in the playoffs on a championship team.  He averaged 18.8 ppg in the regular season during a championship season.

Wow.  I'm going to post this on the main board.

Wait a second... Do you think KG is currently the Celtics best scoring option?

[wdleehi]

What was the result of KG's team the last time he didn't have Pierce or Ray beside him and he was clearly #1?

Toronto's team does not have anything close to what PP and RA bring.

Great.  What was the result of *any* player's last season when he didn't have a competent scorer or two beside him?

I wouldn't make too much of this argument, unless you want folks pointing out that Wade led his team to some pretty terrible records without Shaq.

Really? When? 2008 when he was out on injury all season long? Wade is on your all-time team Roy, and he might be the best scorer in the league.

How did the Heat finish this year?  With a healthy Wade leading the league in scoring. 

[JSD]

What was the result of KG's team the last time he didn't have Pierce or Ray beside him and he was clearly #1?

Toronto's team does not have anything close to what PP and RA bring.

Great.  What was the result of *any* player's last season when he didn't have a competent scorer or two beside him?

I wouldn't make too much of this argument, unless you want folks pointing out that Wade led his team to some pretty terrible records without Shaq.

Really? When? 2008 when he was out on injury all season long? Wade is on your all-time team Roy, and he might be the best scorer in the league.

How did the Heat finish this year?  With a healthy Wade leading the league in scoring. 

They made the playoffs, unlike KG's healthy 2007 season where he was the #1 option.

[indeedproceed]

I ask you, folks:  If we can't trust IP's judgment on a player he has allegedly watched closely the past two seasons, how can we trust his talent evaluation regarding players on other teams?

I think this calls his fitness to be Phoenix's GM into question.

What parts of 'anti-KG bias' are

Garnett is a great player

He's a guy who makes/made/will make (hopefully...lets not forget that there is a real NBA too and I hope Garnett rocks in that) his bones on efficient scoring coupled with elite rebounding and defending. In that regard he complements this Raptors team very well.

I would say this is all a poorly veiled effort of a GM trying desperately to turn public opinion before the voting process commences. He knows his days are numbered at the top, so now he's playing dirty pool. Do not fall for Roy Hobbs propaganda folks, go get the facts yourself.

And 5 TP's to everyone who posts simply quotes this post and says "Amen". Except Roy. Roy gets no TP's. Comparing me to charlie rosen you musta lost your mind.....

Do you think Kevin Garnett as presently constituted can be a 20ppg scorer for an elite to championship level team? That would mean he is their best scoring option.

Why couldn't he be?  He averaged over 20 ppg in the playoffs on a championship team.  He averaged 18.8 ppg in the regular season during a championship season.

Wow.  I'm going to post this on the main board.

I stand by it, mostly because its just a question without an answer. Even so, my answer would be 'no', and I stand by it. I think you'll see a lot of other people do too. Unless you phrase is like "Do you think this KG hating moron is right?"

Saying I don't think KG could be the number 1 scorer on a championship team next year and saying I hate KG are completely different things. I love KG.

[wdleehi]

What was the result of KG's team the last time he didn't have Pierce or Ray beside him and he was clearly #1?

Toronto's team does not have anything close to what PP and RA bring.

Great.  What was the result of *any* player's last season when he didn't have a competent scorer or two beside him?

I wouldn't make too much of this argument, unless you want folks pointing out that Wade led his team to some pretty terrible records without Shaq.

Really? When? 2008 when he was out on injury all season long? Wade is on your all-time team Roy, and he might be the best scorer in the league.

How did the Heat finish this year?  With a healthy Wade leading the league in scoring. 

They made the playoffs, unlike KG's healthy 2007 season where he was the #1 option.

Who was the number 2 option?   Did they have the talent of a Shawn Marion or O'Neal?  Did they even have the talent of a Haslem?  How about Beasley or Moon?  

[JSD]

I ask you, folks:  If we can't trust IP's judgment on a player he has allegedly watched closely the past two seasons, how can we trust his talent evaluation regarding players on other teams?

I think this calls his fitness to be Phoenix's GM into question.

What parts of 'anti-KG bias' are

Garnett is a great player

He's a guy who makes/made/will make (hopefully...lets not forget that there is a real NBA too and I hope Garnett rocks in that) his bones on efficient scoring coupled with elite rebounding and defending. In that regard he complements this Raptors team very well.

I would say this is all a poorly veiled effort of a GM trying desperately to turn public opinion before the voting process commences. He knows his days are numbered at the top, so now he's playing dirty pool. Do not fall for Roy Hobbs propaganda folks, go get the facts yourself.

And 5 TP's to everyone who posts simply quotes this post and says "Amen". Except Roy. Roy gets no TP's. Comparing me to charlie rosen you musta lost your mind.....

Do you think Kevin Garnett as presently constituted can be a 20ppg scorer for an elite to championship level team? That would mean he is their best scoring option.

Why couldn't he be?  He averaged over 20 ppg in the playoffs on a championship team.  He averaged 18.8 ppg in the regular season during a championship season.

Wow.  I'm going to post this on the main board.

I stand by it, mostly because its just a question without an answer. Even so, my answer would be 'no', and I stand by it. I think you'll see a lot of other people do too. Unless you phrase is like "Do you think this KG hating moron is right?"

Saying I don't think KG could be the number 1 scorer on a championship team next year and saying I hate KG are completely different things. I love KG.

Amen

[Roy Hobbs]

By the way, bad, bad strategy here.  You expect to get votes on a Celtics board, and you go and attack their best all-around player?

[wdleehi]

What was the result of KG's team the last time he didn't have Pierce or Ray beside him and he was clearly #1?

Toronto's team does not have anything close to what PP and RA bring.

Great.  What was the result of *any* player's last season when he didn't have a competent scorer or two beside him?

I wouldn't make too much of this argument, unless you want folks pointing out that Wade led his team to some pretty terrible records without Shaq.

Really? When? 2008 when he was out on injury all season long? Wade is on your all-time team Roy, and he might be the best scorer in the league.

How did the Heat finish this year?  With a healthy Wade leading the league in scoring. 

They made the playoffs, unlike KG's healthy 2007 season where he was the #1 option.

Who was the number 2 option?   Did they have the talent of a Shawn Marion or O'Neal?  Did they even have the talent of a Haslem?  How about Beasley or Moon?  

Just in case you didn't want to look it up, the next two leading scorers were Ricky Davis and Mark Blount.  

[Roy Hobbs]

What was the result of KG's team the last time he didn't have Pierce or Ray beside him and he was clearly #1?

Toronto's team does not have anything close to what PP and RA bring.

Great.  What was the result of *any* player's last season when he didn't have a competent scorer or two beside him?

I wouldn't make too much of this argument, unless you want folks pointing out that Wade led his team to some pretty terrible records without Shaq.

Really? When? 2008 when he was out on injury all season long? Wade is on your all-time team Roy, and he might be the best scorer in the league.

How did the Heat finish this year?  With a healthy Wade leading the league in scoring. 

They made the playoffs, unlike KG's healthy 2007 season where he was the #1 option.

Who was the number 2 option?   Did they have the talent of a Shawn Marion or O'Neal?  Did they even have the talent of a Haslem?  How about Beasley or Moon?  

Just in case you didn't want to look it up, the next two leading scorers were Ricky Davis and Mark Blount.  

But Paul Pierce, the "true #1 scorer", surely would have taken Ricky Davis and Mark Blount deep into the playoffs.

Oh, snap.

[JSD]

What was the result of KG's team the last time he didn't have Pierce or Ray beside him and he was clearly #1?

Toronto's team does not have anything close to what PP and RA bring.

Great.  What was the result of *any* player's last season when he didn't have a competent scorer or two beside him?

I wouldn't make too much of this argument, unless you want folks pointing out that Wade led his team to some pretty terrible records without Shaq.

Really? When? 2008 when he was out on injury all season long? Wade is on your all-time team Roy, and he might be the best scorer in the league.

How did the Heat finish this year?  With a healthy Wade leading the league in scoring. 

They made the playoffs, unlike KG's healthy 2007 season where he was the #1 option.

Who was the number 2 option?   Did they have the talent of a Shawn Marion or O'Neal?  Did they even have the talent of a Haslem?  How about Beasley or Moon?  

Just in case you didn't want to look it up, the next two leading scorers were Ricky Davis and Mark Blount.  

Oh good, So your telling me KG needs scoring talent around him for his team to be successful? Well, you've helped make my point. TP.

[Roy Hobbs]

What was the result of KG's team the last time he didn't have Pierce or Ray beside him and he was clearly #1?

Toronto's team does not have anything close to what PP and RA bring.

Great.  What was the result of *any* player's last season when he didn't have a competent scorer or two beside him?

I wouldn't make too much of this argument, unless you want folks pointing out that Wade led his team to some pretty terrible records without Shaq.

Really? When? 2008 when he was out on injury all season long? Wade is on your all-time team Roy, and he might be the best scorer in the league.

How did the Heat finish this year?  With a healthy Wade leading the league in scoring. 

They made the playoffs, unlike KG's healthy 2007 season where he was the #1 option.

Who was the number 2 option?   Did they have the talent of a Shawn Marion or O'Neal?  Did they even have the talent of a Haslem?  How about Beasley or Moon?  

Just in case you didn't want to look it up, the next two leading scorers were Ricky Davis and Mark Blount.  

Oh good, So your telling me KG needs scoring talent around him for his team to be successful? Well, you've helped make my point. TP.

If you don't think Andre Miller can score, I don't know what to say.

[JSD]

What was the result of KG's team the last time he didn't have Pierce or Ray beside him and he was clearly #1?

Toronto's team does not have anything close to what PP and RA bring.

Great.  What was the result of *any* player's last season when he didn't have a competent scorer or two beside him?

I wouldn't make too much of this argument, unless you want folks pointing out that Wade led his team to some pretty terrible records without Shaq.

Really? When? 2008 when he was out on injury all season long? Wade is on your all-time team Roy, and he might be the best scorer in the league.

How did the Heat finish this year?  With a healthy Wade leading the league in scoring. 

They made the playoffs, unlike KG's healthy 2007 season where he was the #1 option.

Who was the number 2 option?   Did they have the talent of a Shawn Marion or O'Neal?  Did they even have the talent of a Haslem?  How about Beasley or Moon?  

Just in case you didn't want to look it up, the next two leading scorers were Ricky Davis and Mark Blount.  

Oh good, So your telling me KG needs scoring talent around him for his team to be successful? Well, you've helped make my point. TP.

If you don't think Andre Miller can score, I don't know what to say.

Last I checked he scored less than Ricky Davis did in 2007.

[Rondo2287]

What was the result of KG's team the last time he didn't have Pierce or Ray beside him and he was clearly #1?

Toronto's team does not have anything close to what PP and RA bring.

Great.  What was the result of *any* player's last season when he didn't have a competent scorer or two beside him?

I wouldn't make too much of this argument, unless you want folks pointing out that Wade led his team to some pretty terrible records without Shaq.

Really? When? 2008 when he was out on injury all season long? Wade is on your all-time team Roy, and he might be the best scorer in the league.

How did the Heat finish this year?  With a healthy Wade leading the league in scoring. 

They made the playoffs, unlike KG's healthy 2007 season where he was the #1 option.

Who was the number 2 option?   Did they have the talent of a Shawn Marion or O'Neal?  Did they even have the talent of a Haslem?  How about Beasley or Moon?  

Just in case you didn't want to look it up, the next two leading scorers were Ricky Davis and Mark Blount.  

Oh good, So your telling me KG needs scoring talent around him for his team to be successful? Well, you've helped make my point. TP.

If you don't think Andre Miller can score, I don't know what to say.

Last I checked he scored less than Ricky Davis did in 2007.

Better FG% than D-wade

[JSD]

Anyone outside of the Atlantic have a team they want to post?

[Rondo2287]

you are saying he cant score, and I am saying he can and more efficiently than D-wade