2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[wdleehi]

What was the result of KG's team the last time he didn't have Pierce or Ray beside him and he was clearly #1?

Toronto's team does not have anything close to what PP and RA bring.

Great.  What was the result of *any* player's last season when he didn't have a competent scorer or two beside him?

I wouldn't make too much of this argument, unless you want folks pointing out that Wade led his team to some pretty terrible records without Shaq.

Really? When? 2008 when he was out on injury all season long? Wade is on your all-time team Roy, and he might be the best scorer in the league.

How did the Heat finish this year?  With a healthy Wade leading the league in scoring. 

They made the playoffs, unlike KG's healthy 2007 season where he was the #1 option.

Who was the number 2 option?   Did they have the talent of a Shawn Marion or O'Neal?  Did they even have the talent of a Haslem?  How about Beasley or Moon?  

Just in case you didn't want to look it up, the next two leading scorers were Ricky Davis and Mark Blount.  

Oh good, So your telling me KG needs scoring talent around him for his team to be successful? Well, you've helped make my point. TP.

he needs talent.  Wade has 10 players more talented then the third player on that team (since Blount is also on Miami)

He only finished 4 games above 500 and lost in the 1st round.  

Now the team put together in this draft has a lot more talent.  Miller, Artest and Camby.  Only spot they are weak (and really weak at that) is SG.  



I look at your team, is it really that much stronger the real life Miami?

[Rondo2287]

New Jersey Why dont you way in on this, i see you lurking up above

[JSD]

I look at your team, is it really that much stronger the real life Miami?

Are you serious? Yes, at every position and including bench. My team also has a lot more playoff and NBA experience.

Nene > Oneal
Mcdyess > Haslem
Prince > whoever you want to put Cook maybe?
Alston (>/=) Chalmers

Barbosa, birdman, Butler > Beasley, Blount and whoever else.

[Rondo2287]

Dont think your PF position is better, center I do.

[Roy Hobbs]

Dont think your PF position is better, center I do.

Don't sleep on J.O.  (although he'd be much better with a legit center next to him).

[wdleehi]

I look at your team, is it really that much stronger the real life Miami?

Are you serious? Yes, at every position and including bench. My team also has a lot more playoff and NBA experience.

Nene > Oneal
Mcdyess > Haslem
Prince > whoever you want to put Cook maybe?
Alston (>/=) Chalmers

Barbosa, birdman, Butler > Beasley, Blount and whoever else.

Really.

Oneal was close to Nene in terms of scoring and rebounds, but higher in blocks playing less minutes.

Haslem averaged more points and less rebounds the McDyess

Bealey put up 13 and 5, better then the players on the bench.


Alston 11 and 5, Chalmer 10 and 5.


Throw in Cook and Moon.


Where is the 'great' improvement?

[Rondo2287]

Dont think your PF position is better, center I do.

Don't sleep on J.O.  (although he'd be much better with a legit center next to him).

Ya thats what i was trying to say, if your playing JO as a center its questionable which is why i gave him the edge over Nene, JO as a PF i like alot better

[JSD]

I look at your team, is it really that much stronger the real life Miami?

Are you serious? Yes, at every position and including bench. My team also has a lot more playoff and NBA experience.

Nene > Oneal
Mcdyess > Haslem
Prince > whoever you want to put Cook maybe?
Alston (>/=) Chalmers

Barbosa, birdman, Butler > Beasley, Blount and whoever else.

Really.

Oneal was close to Nene in terms of scoring and rebounds, but higher in blocks playing less minutes.

Haslem averaged more points and less rebounds the McDyess

Bealey put up 13 and 5, better then the players on the bench.


Alston 11 and 5, Chalmer 10 and 5.


Throw in Cook and Moon.


Where is the 'great' improvement?

You might have a point if this were fantasy basketball. However, it's not. Every one of my starters held their position on a conference finals team in the last 2 years. Also, you've conveniently ignored the significant upgrade my team has at the small forward position and bench. My team is more experienced and far more talented overall. It's not a good comparison.

[Rondo2287]

3.8 points per game talented~!

[nickagneta]

So here was the 911 on the trade:

First I'm surprised no one mentioned that after our very brief spat the other day that j.r. and I could hug and makeup and come up with the blockbuster deal of the late round deals. Just goes to show that we have to realize that although we are playing in a competitive game, we are still all a part of the same Green-loving brotherhood and should always remember that. In that regard, love and TP's go out to Gomesfan as well as j.r.

Second, as I mentioned yesterday, I think there will definitely be a LeBron vote bias when it comes to the open vote. being in the same division I had two options, Future Team or build to beat Lebron. I tried the Future Team route and because of a couple of really bad trades starting off the trade season, I was left with three great pieces, one good piece and very little else. I wasn't winning Future Team.

So, I switched gears and decided to keep the best defensive player and best all around and experienced player of my "Big Three" and trade the rest for a defensive minded team that could still score and would be built around smothering team defense and wings that could shut leBron down so I could win the division.

So here's the team

Starting Team:

Center: Joel Przybilla - he leaves something to be desired offensively but defensively he is a very good, very big inside presence and a good shot blocker. My last line of defense.

Power Forward: Luis Scola - an international star and a defensive, hustling, intelligent player that fills what was easily my previous squad's biggest weakness. In a small ball running lineup, he is an awesome 5 as evidenced by last year's playoff run covering for an injured Yao.

Small Forward: Gerald Wallace - a tremendous defensive SF that has a solid offensive game and is great in transition

Shooting Guard: Stephen Jackson - a third straight athletic, defensive minded SG that can easily flow into a SF game due to his size(6-8) and length. The leader of this club and it's captain, he is one of the extremely very few players in the league to have 20+ PPG, 5+ RPG and 6+ APG.

Point Guard: Raymond Felton - fast, tough, good defender on PGs his size who can run an offense and run the break. He is a lot better and puts up better numbers than most people realize. Good all-around PG that has to work on his shooting.

Sixth Man: Travis Outlaw - who will be used much the same way James Posey was for the 2008 Champion Celtics he is very good defensively, a good rebounder for his position and can score. He has the ability to guard agile PFs and all SFs. He and Jackson and Wallace will drive LeBron nuts as he will never see a moment where he has someone who isn't a plus defender at that position on him.

Back Up Big: Darko Milicic - Darko will be used as the first big off the bench and is versatile enough to guard both centers and power forwards. I'm expecting rebounding and shot blocking from Darko. Any offense will be a plus.

Backup Backcourt: George Hill and Wally Szczerbiak - Hill is a great prospect that showed unbelievable maturity last year in Tony Parker's absence and could be a starter in a year or two. He's that good a prospect. Wally is the savvy vet that gives this team the 3 point threat it needs off the bench.

Others:

Aaron Gray - huge, young center with a knack for establishing good position and being able to convert his down low moves. He is a slow, poor defender.

James Singleton - Long power forward who is young and developing and will give this team solid production when used.

Tyronne Lue - bench warming vet minimum PG that gives the team options

Anthony Carter 3rd PG that gives a good strong veteran presence and is a good passer.

I think in both trades I made I gave up the best talented player but I think the depth and quality of the parts I brought in and kept makes the overall team stronger and gives me one of the better defensive teams not only in the East but maybe the league.

[wdleehi]

So here was the 911 on the trade:

First I'm surprised no one mentioned that after our very brief spat the other day that j.r. and I could hug and makeup and come up with the blockbuster deal of the late round deals. Just goes to show that we have to realize that although we are playing in a competitive game, we are still all a part of the same Green-loving brotherhood and should always remember that. In that regard, love and TP's go out to Gomesfan as well as j.r.

Second, as I mentioned yesterday, I think there will definitely be a LeBron vote bias when it comes to the open vote. being in the same division I had two options, Future Team or build to beat Lebron. I tried the Future Team route and because of a couple of really bad trades starting off the trade season, I was left with three great pieces, one good piece and very little else. I wasn't winning Future Team.

So, I switched gears and decided to keep the best defensive player and best all around and experienced player of my "Big Three" and trade the rest for a defensive minded team that could still score and would be built around smothering team defense and wings that could shut leBron down so I could win the division.

So here's the team

Starting Team:

Center: Joel Przybilla - he leaves something to be desired offensively but defensively he is a very good, very big inside presence and a good shot blocker. My last line of defense.

Power Forward: Luis Scola - an international star and a defensive, hustling, intelligent player that fills what was easily my previous squad's biggest weakness. In a small ball running lineup, he is an awesome 5 as evidenced by last year's playoff run covering for an injured Yao.

Small Forward: Gerald Wallace - a tremendous defensive SF that has a solid offensive game and is great in transition

Shooting Guard: Stephen Jackson - a third straight athletic, defensive minded SG that can easily flow into a SF game due to his size(6-8) and length. The leader of this club and it's captain, he is one of the extremely very few players in the league to have 20+ PPG, 5+ RPG and 6+ APG.

Point Guard: Raymond Felton - fast, tough, good defender on PGs his size who can run an offense and run the break. He is a lot better and puts up better numbers than most people realize. Good all-around PG that has to work on his shooting.

Sixth Man: Travis Outlaw - who will be used much the same way James Posey was for the 2008 Champion Celtics he is very good defensively, a good rebounder for his position and can score. He has the ability to guard agile PFs and all SFs. He and Jackson and Wallace will drive LeBron nuts as he will never see a moment where he has someone who isn't a plus defender at that position on him.

Back Up Big: Darko Milicic - Darko will be used as the first big off the bench and is versatile enough to guard both centers and power forwards. I'm expecting rebounding and shot blocking from Darko. Any offense will be a plus.

Backup Backcourt: George Hill and Wally Szczerbiak - Hill is a great prospect that showed unbelievable maturity last year in Tony Parker's absence and could be a starter in a year or two. He's that good a prospect. Wally is the savvy vet that gives this team the 3 point threat it needs off the bench.

Others:

Aaron Gray - huge, young center with a knack for establishing good position and being able to convert his down low moves. He is a slow, poor defender.

James Singleton - Long power forward who is young and developing and will give this team solid production when used.

Tyronne Lue - bench warming vet minimum PG that gives the team options

Anthony Carter 3rd PG that gives a good strong veteran presence and is a good passer.

I think in both trades I made I gave up the best talented player but I think the depth and quality of the parts I brought in and kept makes the overall team stronger and gives me one of the better defensive teams not only in the East but maybe the league.

Who is the "go to guy" in the half court?

[Rondo2287]

So here was the 911 on the trade:

First I'm surprised no one mentioned that after our very brief spat the other day that j.r. and I could hug and makeup and come up with the blockbuster deal of the late round deals. Just goes to show that we have to realize that although we are playing in a competitive game, we are still all a part of the same Green-loving brotherhood and should always remember that. In that regard, love and TP's go out to Gomesfan as well as j.r.

Second, as I mentioned yesterday, I think there will definitely be a LeBron vote bias when it comes to the open vote. being in the same division I had two options, Future Team or build to beat Lebron. I tried the Future Team route and because of a couple of really bad trades starting off the trade season, I was left with three great pieces, one good piece and very little else. I wasn't winning Future Team.

So, I switched gears and decided to keep the best defensive player and best all around and experienced player of my "Big Three" and trade the rest for a defensive minded team that could still score and would be built around smothering team defense and wings that could shut leBron down so I could win the division.

So here's the team

Starting Team:

Center: Joel Przybilla - he leaves something to be desired offensively but defensively he is a very good, very big inside presence and a good shot blocker. My last line of defense.

Power Forward: Luis Scola - an international star and a defensive, hustling, intelligent player that fills what was easily my previous squad's biggest weakness. In a small ball running lineup, he is an awesome 5 as evidenced by last year's playoff run covering for an injured Yao.

Small Forward: Gerald Wallace - a tremendous defensive SF that has a solid offensive game and is great in transition

Shooting Guard: Stephen Jackson - a third straight athletic, defensive minded SG that can easily flow into a SF game due to his size(6-8) and length. The leader of this club and it's captain, he is one of the extremely very few players in the league to have 20+ PPG, 5+ RPG and 6+ APG.

Point Guard: Raymond Felton - fast, tough, good defender on PGs his size who can run an offense and run the break. He is a lot better and puts up better numbers than most people realize. Good all-around PG that has to work on his shooting.

Sixth Man: Travis Outlaw - who will be used much the same way James Posey was for the 2008 Champion Celtics he is very good defensively, a good rebounder for his position and can score. He has the ability to guard agile PFs and all SFs. He and Jackson and Wallace will drive LeBron nuts as he will never see a moment where he has someone who isn't a plus defender at that position on him.

Back Up Big: Darko Milicic - Darko will be used as the first big off the bench and is versatile enough to guard both centers and power forwards. I'm expecting rebounding and shot blocking from Darko. Any offense will be a plus.

Backup Backcourt: George Hill and Wally Szczerbiak - Hill is a great prospect that showed unbelievable maturity last year in Tony Parker's absence and could be a starter in a year or two. He's that good a prospect. Wally is the savvy vet that gives this team the 3 point threat it needs off the bench.

Others:

Aaron Gray - huge, young center with a knack for establishing good position and being able to convert his down low moves. He is a slow, poor defender.

James Singleton - Long power forward who is young and developing and will give this team solid production when used.

Tyronne Lue - bench warming vet minimum PG that gives the team options

Anthony Carter 3rd PG that gives a good strong veteran presence and is a good passer.

I think in both trades I made I gave up the best talented player but I think the depth and quality of the parts I brought in and kept makes the overall team stronger and gives me one of the better defensive teams not only in the East but maybe the league.

Who is the "go to guy" in the half court?

Enough with go to guys!!!

[wdleehi]

So here was the 911 on the trade:

First I'm surprised no one mentioned that after our very brief spat the other day that j.r. and I could hug and makeup and come up with the blockbuster deal of the late round deals. Just goes to show that we have to realize that although we are playing in a competitive game, we are still all a part of the same Green-loving brotherhood and should always remember that. In that regard, love and TP's go out to Gomesfan as well as j.r.

Second, as I mentioned yesterday, I think there will definitely be a LeBron vote bias when it comes to the open vote. being in the same division I had two options, Future Team or build to beat Lebron. I tried the Future Team route and because of a couple of really bad trades starting off the trade season, I was left with three great pieces, one good piece and very little else. I wasn't winning Future Team.

So, I switched gears and decided to keep the best defensive player and best all around and experienced player of my "Big Three" and trade the rest for a defensive minded team that could still score and would be built around smothering team defense and wings that could shut leBron down so I could win the division.

So here's the team

Starting Team:

Center: Joel Przybilla - he leaves something to be desired offensively but defensively he is a very good, very big inside presence and a good shot blocker. My last line of defense.

Power Forward: Luis Scola - an international star and a defensive, hustling, intelligent player that fills what was easily my previous squad's biggest weakness. In a small ball running lineup, he is an awesome 5 as evidenced by last year's playoff run covering for an injured Yao.

Small Forward: Gerald Wallace - a tremendous defensive SF that has a solid offensive game and is great in transition

Shooting Guard: Stephen Jackson - a third straight athletic, defensive minded SG that can easily flow into a SF game due to his size(6-8) and length. The leader of this club and it's captain, he is one of the extremely very few players in the league to have 20+ PPG, 5+ RPG and 6+ APG.

Point Guard: Raymond Felton - fast, tough, good defender on PGs his size who can run an offense and run the break. He is a lot better and puts up better numbers than most people realize. Good all-around PG that has to work on his shooting.

Sixth Man: Travis Outlaw - who will be used much the same way James Posey was for the 2008 Champion Celtics he is very good defensively, a good rebounder for his position and can score. He has the ability to guard agile PFs and all SFs. He and Jackson and Wallace will drive LeBron nuts as he will never see a moment where he has someone who isn't a plus defender at that position on him.

Back Up Big: Darko Milicic - Darko will be used as the first big off the bench and is versatile enough to guard both centers and power forwards. I'm expecting rebounding and shot blocking from Darko. Any offense will be a plus.

Backup Backcourt: George Hill and Wally Szczerbiak - Hill is a great prospect that showed unbelievable maturity last year in Tony Parker's absence and could be a starter in a year or two. He's that good a prospect. Wally is the savvy vet that gives this team the 3 point threat it needs off the bench.

Others:

Aaron Gray - huge, young center with a knack for establishing good position and being able to convert his down low moves. He is a slow, poor defender.

James Singleton - Long power forward who is young and developing and will give this team solid production when used.

Tyronne Lue - bench warming vet minimum PG that gives the team options

Anthony Carter 3rd PG that gives a good strong veteran presence and is a good passer.

I think in both trades I made I gave up the best talented player but I think the depth and quality of the parts I brought in and kept makes the overall team stronger and gives me one of the better defensive teams not only in the East but maybe the league.

Who is the "go to guy" in the half court?

Enough with go to guys!!!

Why?  He doesn't have anyone at the level of KG in the half court.  And playoff basketball has a lot to do with the half court.

At least this way, he has time to think of an answer or make another move.


(by the way, when are you going to get a SG?)

[Rondo2287]

Im very content with Afflalo at my 2 guard spot, I know that may not be a popular decision and it may hurt me in the voting, but im willing to role the dice if i have to and see again in February.  I really think having him as a defensive specialist is perfect for my team. 

[wdleehi]

Im very content with Afflalo at my 2 guard spot, I know that may not be a popular decision and it may hurt me in the voting, but im willing to role the dice if i have to and see again in February.  I really think having him as a defensive specialist is perfect for my team. 

Why not add another SG that will help you now in voting while keeping the guy you think will help you later?