Official:-Spears Confirms Marquis coming to Boston (merged)

[celticinorlando]

i am all for being able to get him for free and keep tony and scal until the trade deadline...but if i had to chose one to go it would be tony. he can walk right now. i want to keep scal. we do need to figure out who is going to be on the team between hudson, giddens, gabe, tony and walker

[Roy Hobbs]

ESPN just talked about this, it must be true.


They only said that we agreed on a deal for the 1.9 LLE, they didn't mention anything about the sign and trade possibilities.

That's great.  I like this signing if it is for $2M/yr, as opposed to if it were ~$3.5M/yr (ie: if Scal were involved).

Plus, I like the idea of keeping Scal.

Why is this great? Don't you want to ship out some dead weight and sign better players for the LLE/minimum? It would be better to sign-and-trade Daniels where he gets $10M for 3 years and sending out Tony Allen and Giddens/Walker? We wouldn't have the backup wing debate next year again.

I'd rather have him cheap for two years and still have contracts to trade later in the year.

Yeah, the team needs to consider next season as well as this year.  If we sign Daniels to a 2 year, $4 million deal, he's only on the books for $2 million next season (or $4 million after the presumed luxury tax), rather than $3.3 million or so (or $2.6 million after luxury tax).  Does it make sense to take on a greater long-term commitment to clear the "dead weight" of a couple of expiring contracts?

[wdleehi]

ESPN just talked about this, it must be true.


They only said that we agreed on a deal for the 1.9 LLE, they didn't mention anything about the sign and trade possibilities.

That's great.  I like this signing if it is for $2M/yr, as opposed to if it were ~$3.5M/yr (ie: if Scal were involved).

Plus, I like the idea of keeping Scal.

Why is this great? Don't you want to ship out some dead weight and sign better players for the LLE/minimum? It would be better to sign-and-trade Daniels where he gets $10M for 3 years and sending out Tony Allen and Giddens/Walker? We wouldn't have the backup wing debate next year again.

I'd rather have him cheap for two years and still have contracts to trade later in the year.

Yeah, the team needs to consider next season as well as this year.  If we sign Daniels to a 2 year, $4 million deal, he's only on the books for $2 million next season (or $4 million after the presumed luxury tax), rather than $3.3 million or so (or $2.6 million after luxury tax).  Does it make sense to take on a greater long-term commitment to clear the "dead weight" of a couple of expiring contracts?

Honestly, I rather the Celtics save the trade bait for a player they could not sign as a FA. 

[celticinorlando]

worst case scenerio....they bury tony on the bench and keep his contract until the trade deadline...same with scal...best case....they move one of them now for a PG or big...save the other until Feb.

[BudweiserCeltic]

worst case scenerio....they bury tony on the bench and keep his contract until the trade deadline...same with scal...best case....they move one of them now for a PG or big...save the other until Feb.

There are merits to both scenarios. If you hold on to their contracts, and something happens (injuries), then at least you got two people who can step up and contribute.

I'd rather go with a big. If we get Daniels, we'll have two roster spots left which I feel will be better served by bigs. If you go with a PG, I'd rather drop Pruitt.

If it's a trade, then this changes things... but as far as pick-up's go, they have to be bigs.

[BballTim]

ESPN just talked about this, it must be true.


They only said that we agreed on a deal for the 1.9 LLE, they didn't mention anything about the sign and trade possibilities.

That's great.  I like this signing if it is for $2M/yr, as opposed to if it were ~$3.5M/yr (ie: if Scal were involved).

Plus, I like the idea of keeping Scal.

Why is this great? Don't you want to ship out some dead weight and sign better players for the LLE/minimum? It would be better to sign-and-trade Daniels where he gets $10M for 3 years and sending out Tony Allen and Giddens/Walker? We wouldn't have the backup wing debate next year again.

I'd rather have him cheap for two years and still have contracts to trade later in the year.

Yeah, the team needs to consider next season as well as this year.  If we sign Daniels to a 2 year, $4 million deal, he's only on the books for $2 million next season (or $4 million after the presumed luxury tax), rather than $3.3 million or so (or $2.6 million after luxury tax).  Does it make sense to take on a greater long-term commitment to clear the "dead weight" of a couple of expiring contracts?

Honestly, I rather the Celtics save the trade bait for a player they could not sign as a FA. 

 On one hand, doing a sign and trade leaves them the $1.9M to use on someone else. On the other hand, doing a sign and trade keeps their total budget lower than using the $1.9M so they might have more money available to match a BBD offer sheet.

[wdleehi]

ESPN just talked about this, it must be true.


They only said that we agreed on a deal for the 1.9 LLE, they didn't mention anything about the sign and trade possibilities.

That's great.  I like this signing if it is for $2M/yr, as opposed to if it were ~$3.5M/yr (ie: if Scal were involved).

Plus, I like the idea of keeping Scal.

Why is this great? Don't you want to ship out some dead weight and sign better players for the LLE/minimum? It would be better to sign-and-trade Daniels where he gets $10M for 3 years and sending out Tony Allen and Giddens/Walker? We wouldn't have the backup wing debate next year again.

I'd rather have him cheap for two years and still have contracts to trade later in the year.

Yeah, the team needs to consider next season as well as this year.  If we sign Daniels to a 2 year, $4 million deal, he's only on the books for $2 million next season (or $4 million after the presumed luxury tax), rather than $3.3 million or so (or $2.6 million after luxury tax).  Does it make sense to take on a greater long-term commitment to clear the "dead weight" of a couple of expiring contracts?

Honestly, I rather the Celtics save the trade bait for a player they could not sign as a FA. 

 On one hand, doing a sign and trade leaves them the $1.9M to use on someone else. On the other hand, doing a sign and trade keeps their total budget lower than using the $1.9M so they might have more money available to match a BBD offer sheet.

I think they are planning to match Davis up to a certain point already. 

And what player out there is worth both the LLE and fits a need for the Celtics? 

[DinTN]

How does this "sign as FA" or S&T with details later work? Looks like this would already be worked out as part of the deal. If it is S&T, what are we sending?

[BballTim]

ESPN just talked about this, it must be true.


They only said that we agreed on a deal for the 1.9 LLE, they didn't mention anything about the sign and trade possibilities.

That's great.  I like this signing if it is for $2M/yr, as opposed to if it were ~$3.5M/yr (ie: if Scal were involved).

Plus, I like the idea of keeping Scal.

Why is this great? Don't you want to ship out some dead weight and sign better players for the LLE/minimum? It would be better to sign-and-trade Daniels where he gets $10M for 3 years and sending out Tony Allen and Giddens/Walker? We wouldn't have the backup wing debate next year again.

I'd rather have him cheap for two years and still have contracts to trade later in the year.

Yeah, the team needs to consider next season as well as this year.  If we sign Daniels to a 2 year, $4 million deal, he's only on the books for $2 million next season (or $4 million after the presumed luxury tax), rather than $3.3 million or so (or $2.6 million after luxury tax).  Does it make sense to take on a greater long-term commitment to clear the "dead weight" of a couple of expiring contracts?

Honestly, I rather the Celtics save the trade bait for a player they could not sign as a FA. 

 On one hand, doing a sign and trade leaves them the $1.9M to use on someone else. On the other hand, doing a sign and trade keeps their total budget lower than using the $1.9M so they might have more money available to match a BBD offer sheet.

I think they are planning to match Davis up to a certain point already. 

And what player out there is worth both the LLE and fits a need for the Celtics? 

  I think having $2.5M to $3.5M less of a payroll could come into play if Baby gets an offer that's near the top of their comfort zone for him. If he does leave we need to replace him so having more salary to offer would be helpful. If we don't use the LLE now we could save it for the buyout season.

[Cman]

ESPN just talked about this, it must be true.


They only said that we agreed on a deal for the 1.9 LLE, they didn't mention anything about the sign and trade possibilities.

That's great.  I like this signing if it is for $2M/yr, as opposed to if it were ~$3.5M/yr (ie: if Scal were involved).

Plus, I like the idea of keeping Scal.

Why is this great? Don't you want to ship out some dead weight and sign better players for the LLE/minimum? It would be better to sign-and-trade Daniels where he gets $10M for 3 years and sending out Tony Allen and Giddens/Walker? We wouldn't have the backup wing debate next year again.

As others have said, I prefer Daniels with the LLE because it would mean he is on a cheaper contract.  Why is this important?  Because (a) it frees up more $$ next year (but not much), (b) it preserves our trading chips (Tony and Scal's expirings) and (c) because, while excited about Daniels, I am not totally convinced that Tony Allen has become expendable.  Tony plays good D, knows his role on this team, and has proven he can help a championship team win.  

Also, I guess (d) could be that I am not sure who else the Cs could realistically sign with the LLE.  

[BudweiserCeltic]

I just want to make sure of something, is it pretty much a done deal that Daniels will be with the Celtics and it's simply a metter of how we'll get him? Or is there still a chance that this doesn't go through. I mean, if a sign and trade can't be worked out will he accept the LLE for sure?

[BudweiserCeltic]

Some confirmation:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4337981

Indiana Pacers free-agent guard Marquis Daniels has committed to signing with the Boston Celtics for next season, multiple news outlets are reporting.

The Boston Herald and the Boston Globe report that Daniels, who averaged a career-high 13.6 points and 4.6 rebounds last season, will either sign for the $1.9 million biannual exception or be delivered in a sign-and-trade deal with Indiana.

Agent Glenn Schwartzman confirmed the move to the Celtics on Saturday saying both teams would prefer that the sign-and-trade works out, but the Celtics will use the biannual exception to sign Daniels if trade talks fizzle. Schwartzman wouldn't say which other players would be involved in a deal.

The Pacers declined to exercise their option on the 28-year-old in June, which would have been worth $7.3 million next year, according to the papers.

Daniels, who began his career in Dallas, has spent the last three seasons with the Pacers.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

[mgent]

Can we get him for only Tony and Giddens?

[celticinorlando]

can we get him for tony and walker?...heck throw in gabe

[Lucky17]

I believe the numbers would work on a $4 mil S&T of Daniels for Tony Allen plus Pruitt's minimum-level, non-guaranteed contract.

IND outgoing salary: $2 mil ($4 mil / 2)
IND incoming salary: $2.5 mil*
IND max incoming salary: $2.6 mil ($2 mil x 1.25 + $100K)

BOS outgoing salary: $3.325 mil ($2.5 mil + $825K)
BOS incoming salary: $4 mil
BOS max incoming salary: $4.25625 mil ($3.325 mil x 1.25 + $100K)

*Pruitt's minimum-level contract does not factor into incoming salary considerations.