Official:-Spears Confirms Marquis coming to Boston (merged)

[gar]

Like the Daniels acquisition; but isn't anyone concerned that the Pacers committed to Dahntay Jones for a long term deal and let Daniels walk. Clearly money was part of it; but the main focus was Defense. So Larry obviously does not think much of M Daniel's defensive ability.

http://www.nba.com/video/teams/pacers/2009/07/14/jones_signs_090714.pacers/index.html

[BudweiserCeltic]

cdif911 brought it to our attention a week ago, and the reason why you didn't here much from him was because just about everyone belived him to be out of our price range... not because of lack of desire of wanting him.

You're right, I guess I missed that thread on him last week --

if anyone wants to thank me....

For starting a thread about someone we hadn't talked about when we had actually done so?

 

I still think anything over $3M/yr for Daniels is too much, but we'll wait and see what the contract is for, and we'll see if I am wrong (I hope I am completely wrong about him and be earns the 6th man of the year award ... but for now, I am in the slightly skeptical camp).

I really don't care what we pay him. I'm more interested in the trade package. And along those lines, what Danny's plans are to fill out the rest of the roster and if he plans on using the LLE.

Lol @ quoting me poking fun on his thread.

[GKC]

I would prefer to trade and keep the LLE in case we do want that last PG or PF (if baby leaves) that we don't think will accept the minimum.

[vjcsmoke]

So let's sign and trade TA + Pruitt for Daniels and sign him to 3M per year x 2 years?  Question though, is Pruitt a legit PG prospect or is he so bad that House is the better option?

[wdleehi]

I would prefer to trade and keep the LLE in case we do want that last PG or PF (if baby leaves) that we don't think will accept the minimum.

There are enough big men out there with experience that could be signed for the min, that I don't think the Celtics need to save it for them.


There are no PGs out there really worth the LLE.  But there will be PGs out there worth holding onto the trade chips. 


I rather the Celtics have the trade chips then go the route they did the past two seasons.

[PosImpos]

Like the Daniels acquisition; but isn't anyone concerned that the Pacers committed to Dahntay Jones for a long term deal and let Daniels walk. Clearly money was part of it; but the main focus was Defense. So Larry obviously does not think much of M Daniel's defensive ability.

http://www.nba.com/video/teams/pacers/2009/07/14/jones_signs_090714.pacers/index.html

Daniels isn't a great 3 point shooter and Larry loves his shooters.  I think the Pacers not holding onto Daniels has more to do with their focus on shooting and up-tempo than it does on his defensive abilities.

[guava_wrench]

If we could get rid of TA in this move, that would remove a lot of stress from watching the Celtics, as well as save us a bunch when we replace him with a min contract guy.

Pruitt's non-guaranteed contract is a great trade chip for the rest of July. It is sad though, since that increases to odds that we trade him to a team that doesn't want him.

[tenn_smoothie]

basically in the end - the Celtics make these moves a year late to replace posey & pj with daniels & sheed. daniels is not as good as posey, but sheed is better than pj.

you might call it even, which is a good thing because we were at -2 last season when those two key bench players were not replaced at all ...... so we are at +2 from a year ago ......... and our frontcourt has the potential to just overwhelm opponents.

[mgent]

basically in the end - the Celtics make these moves a year late to replace posey & pj with daniels & sheed. daniels is not as good as posey, but sheed is better than pj.

you might call it even, which is a good thing because we were at -2 last season when those two key bench players were not replaced at all ...... so we are at +2 from a year ago ......... and our frontcourt has the potential to just overwhelm opponents.

I'm glad someone other than me thinks this.  If we added an MLE and LLE last year (or the year before) then this year we could've still got Sheed and Daniels via trade.  We could have an actual PG, or we could have swingman who can shoot the 3 with Eddie.  We could maybe have another PF who can rebound and fill in for Powe, then we wouldn't be worrying about Baby.  I'm not saying we don't have the best team in the league, but wouldn't the best team possible be a better idea?
The other thing that irks be is Giddens, Walker, and Pruitt (and Cassel) all got roster positions when we knew they wouldn't play.  Why couldn't we have taken a random shot at a Vet Min instead?  There's a small chance at least we could've got lucky and grabbed another PJ.

[GKC]

basically in the end - the Celtics make these moves a year late to replace posey & pj with daniels & sheed. daniels is not as good as posey, but sheed is better than pj.

you might call it even, which is a good thing because we were at -2 last season when those two key bench players were not replaced at all ...... so we are at +2 from a year ago ......... and our frontcourt has the potential to just overwhelm opponents.

I'm glad someone other than me thinks this.  If we added an MLE and LLE last year (or the year before) then this year we could've still got Sheed and Daniels via trade.  We could have an actual PG, or we could have swingman who can shoot the 3 with Eddie.  We could maybe have another PF who can rebound and fill in for Powe, then we wouldn't be worrying about Baby.  I'm not saying we don't have the best team in the league, but wouldn't the best team possible be a better idea?
The other thing that irks be is Giddens, Walker, and Pruitt (and Cassel) all got roster positions when we knew they wouldn't play.  Why couldn't we have taken a random shot at a Vet Min instead?  There's a small chance at least we could've got lucky and grabbed another PJ.

Wasnt Ainge's fault. Management gave stricter rules on handling how much luxury tax should be paid. This year I thinkhe got free reign so it gave us more breathing room

[P2]

I really don't see really what the Celt's motivation in giving up Walker if they don't get someone in addition to Daniels in return.

On the surface, as long as we get Daniels, all is good. But once you get to the details, it's a bad trade especially if Daniels is willing to sign for the LLE if a trade doesn't happen.

So Danny, keep your trade chips until Indiana sweetens the deal.

Agreed. I have no reservations giving up Allen and Pruitt to make the deal work.

Adding Walker and/or Giddens into the mix seems unnecessary.

The only way I might understand it is if Danny has a worthwhile free-agent in mind that he thinks/knows will accept the LLE.

Joe Smith? Anthony Carter?

I've seen agents make contingent deals, but the long term deal angle makes sense especially since $3MM is actually a discount.   Until Daniels actually signs an LLE, I have my reservations ... but I believe something between Indy and Boston will get done.

That's right. We would keep the LLE for a player like Smith/Carter, and we would lock Daniels up for 3 years or so. But if it's really Tony/Pruitt/Walker (total of $4.06M) for Daniels, then Daniels would have to receive a contract starting at $3.25M at the very least.

Indiana would basically take back $3.25M (since they wouldn't exercise the option on Pruitt), but what is their motivation to do so? Getting another $3.25M to pay in taxes? Probably not. So they would most likely send another player back. The only player who works out financially and Indiana would be willing to give up is Diener, and he happens to be a backup PG.

So if we would get Daniels/Diener in return for Tony/Pruitt/Walker, Daniels could be signed anywhere from $1.5M to $3.3M, which is a very reasonable price, and Indiana would practically only add $1.51M in expiring contracts ($4.06M - Pruitt - Diener) to their payroll, and would get Walker's upside and maybe even use Tony. This trade would be reasonable for both, and I hope it goes through.

[celticinorlando]

my dream scenerio....add daniels in a sign and trade....resign baby, .sign anthony carter for the vet min. and sign joe smith with the LLE

[Fafnir]

my dream scenerio....add daniels in a sign and trade....resign baby, .sign anthony carter for the vet min. and sign joe smith with the LLE

I don't want to overpay Daniels, how I felt about that scenario would depend on his deal.

[footey]

basically in the end - the Celtics make these moves a year late to replace posey & pj with daniels & sheed. daniels is not as good as posey, but sheed is better than pj.

you might call it even, which is a good thing because we were at -2 last season when those two key bench players were not replaced at all ...... so we are at +2 from a year ago ......... and our frontcourt has the potential to just overwhelm opponents.

True, but we still would have not gone any further in the play-offs without KG. So the Posey non-signing turned out to be the right thing.  Now we are able to land Rasheed.

[xmuscularghandix]

Like the Daniels acquisition; but isn't anyone concerned that the Pacers committed to Dahntay Jones for a long term deal and let Daniels walk. Clearly money was part of it; but the main focus was Defense. So Larry obviously does not think much of M Daniel's defensive ability.

http://www.nba.com/video/teams/pacers/2009/07/14/jones_signs_090714.pacers/index.html

Well its also becuase he was making starter money when his durability clearly marks him as a reserve player. I think the decline in minutes will help his career and his ability to stay on the court.