Official:-Spears Confirms Marquis coming to Boston (merged)

[celticinorlando]

i have seen walker as a throw in also? wonder if boston gets anything back if they put those 3 in

[Evantime34]

i have seen walker as a throw in also? wonder if boston gets anything back if they put those 3 in

I think the only reason we would do a trade would be if we were getting someone else in the package. That or we have someone else in mind with the LLE.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I really don't see really what the Celt's motivation in giving up Walker if they don't get someone in addition to Daniels in return.

On the surface, as long as we get Daniels, all is good. But once you get to the details, it's a bad trade especially if Daniels is willing to sign for the LLE if a trade doesn't happen.

So Danny, keep your trade chips until Indiana sweetens the deal.

[Lucky17]

I really don't see really what the Celt's motivation in giving up Walker if they don't get someone in addition to Daniels in return.

On the surface, as long as we get Daniels, all is good. But once you get to the details, it's a bad trade especially if Daniels is willing to sign for the LLE if a trade doesn't happen.

So Danny, keep your trade chips until Indiana sweetens the deal.

Agreed. I have no reservations giving up Allen and Pruitt to make the deal work.

Adding Walker and/or Giddens into the mix seems unnecessary.

[timepiece33]

I really don't see really what the Celt's motivation in giving up Walker if they don't get someone in addition to Daniels in return.

On the surface, as long as we get Daniels, all is good. But once you get to the details, it's a bad trade especially if Daniels is willing to sign for the LLE if a trade doesn't happen.

So Danny, keep your trade chips until Indiana sweetens the deal.

We don't know the background behind this decision.  It could be that Daniels came to an agreement and agreed to let it be leaked that he'd be open to an LLE deal in order to facilitate a S/T. 

I have reservations to whether he'd be open to the LLE in reality.   He's worth $3 to $4MM easily AND he seemed to have a healthy interest in his game.     

Tony Allen has negative value.  Pruitt has no value, so in reality ... Indy is taking on Allen's crap contract for Bill Walker. 

I'm OK with it and truthfully believe that we can get a better player for the LLE.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I really don't see really what the Celt's motivation in giving up Walker if they don't get someone in addition to Daniels in return.

On the surface, as long as we get Daniels, all is good. But once you get to the details, it's a bad trade especially if Daniels is willing to sign for the LLE if a trade doesn't happen.

So Danny, keep your trade chips until Indiana sweetens the deal.

Agreed. I have no reservations giving up Allen and Pruitt to make the deal work.

Adding Walker and/or Giddens into the mix seems unnecessary.

The only way I might understand it is if Danny has a worthwhile free-agent in mind that he thinks/knows will accept the LLE.

[KJ33]

I really don't see really what the Celt's motivation in giving up Walker if they don't get someone in addition to Daniels in return.

On the surface, as long as we get Daniels, all is good. But once you get to the details, it's a bad trade especially if Daniels is willing to sign for the LLE if a trade doesn't happen.

So Danny, keep your trade chips until Indiana sweetens the deal.

The motivation could be to lock up Daniels for 2-3 yrs at an affordable, but agreeable price vs. just the 1 year LLE which it most certainly would be for him.  So they match up salaries with guys who will be redundant to create the necessary amount to sign Daniels for more than a single year.  Also, they will then both have the money (LLE) and roster flexibility to add more players if they choose.

Daniels is 28, averaged nearly 14 ppg last year in 31 mpg.  He is a substantial upgrade to Walker and/or TA and Pruitt was probably gone anyway.  Makes a great deal of sense to me.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I really don't see really what the Celt's motivation in giving up Walker if they don't get someone in addition to Daniels in return.

On the surface, as long as we get Daniels, all is good. But once you get to the details, it's a bad trade especially if Daniels is willing to sign for the LLE if a trade doesn't happen.

So Danny, keep your trade chips until Indiana sweetens the deal.

We don't know the background behind this decision.  It could be that Daniels came to an agreement and agreed to let it be leaked that he'd be open to an LLE deal in order to facilitate a S/T. 

I have reservations to whether he'd be open to the LLE in reality.   He's worth $3 to $4MM easily AND he seemed to have a healthy interest in his game.     

Tony Allen has negative value.  Pruitt has no value, so in reality ... Indy is taking on Allen's crap contract for Bill Walker. 

I'm OK with it and truthfully believe that we can get a better player for the LLE.

Well the agent already confirmed that he would sign the LLE if a trade agreement doesn't occur. I think that's quite bit of a step above "leaking" information.

On your other points I agree, I was writting my post above just as you posted this.

I really don't see really what the Celt's motivation in giving up Walker if they don't get someone in addition to Daniels in return.

On the surface, as long as we get Daniels, all is good. But once you get to the details, it's a bad trade especially if Daniels is willing to sign for the LLE if a trade doesn't happen.

So Danny, keep your trade chips until Indiana sweetens the deal.

The motivation could be to lock up Daniels for 2-3 yrs at an affordable, but agreeable price vs. just the 1 year LLE which it most certainly would be for him.  So they match up salaries with guys who will be redundant to create the necessary amount to sign Daniels for more than a single year.  Also, they will then both have the money (LLE) and roster flexibility to add more players if they choose.

Daniels is 28, averaged nearly 14 ppg last year in 31 mpg.  He is a substantial upgrade to Walker and/or TA and Pruitt was probably gone anyway.  Makes a great deal of sense to me.

Didn't think of the multiple year scenario, good catch.

[timepiece33]

I've seen agents make contingent deals, but the long term deal angle makes sense especially since $3MM is actually a discount.   Until Daniels actually signs an LLE, I have my reservations ... but I believe something between Indy and Boston will get done.

[xmuscularghandix]

if we do a sign and trade for Daniels then we aren't using our LLE, and then we can use it for a PG.

[tenn_smoothie]

please fill me in on Daniel's character, locker room presence, work ethic and defensive ability ...............

[Cman]

I've seen agents make contingent deals, but the long term deal angle makes sense especially since $3MM is actually a discount.   Until Daniels actually signs an LLE, I have my reservations ... but I believe something between Indy and Boston will get done.

I actually believe that $3M per year is fair value.  Anything more and the Cs are taking a risk, in my mind.

In addition, Pruitt's and Allen's contracts are valuable because they are expiring.  Maybe not valuable for Indy, but potentially valuable come trade time.  If Daniels doesn't pan out, he will be much harder to trade than Allen. 

Pruitt is gold until Aug. 1st when his contract becomes guaranteed.  Between now and then he is a nice piece that can be used in a trade to free up salary space for another team.

Walker's contract is also good, as it is a team option next year.  He is a guy with upside and a cheap/ good contract.  A ton of upside? No, probably not, but upside for sure.

I guess what I am saying is that I am seeing a lot of - no, a heck of a lot of - what seems to be overvaluing of Daniels and undervaluing of current Celtics players.

If you compare the stats of Daniels and Allen, they are not that far off.  Tony has better FG%, but Daniels has a better A/TO ratio and fewer fouls (per 48).  Roland rating and PER favor Tony over Daniels. 

Now, I know stats don't tell the whole story, but there has been a whole lot of love going Daniels way the past 24 hours, whereas his name garnered barely a peep prior to yesterday.

[BudweiserCeltic]

cdif911 brought it to our attention a week ago, and the reason why you didn't here much from him was because just about everyone belived him to be out of our price range... not because of lack of desire of wanting him.

[Cman]

cdif911 brought it to our attention a week ago, and the reason why you didn't here much from him was because just about everyone belived him to be out of our price range... not because of lack of desire of wanting him.

You're right, I guess I missed that thread on him last week --

if anyone wants to thank me....

For starting a thread about someone we hadn't talked about when we had actually done so?

 

I still think anything over $3M/yr for Daniels is too much, but we'll wait and see what the contract is for, and we'll see if I am wrong (I hope I am completely wrong about him and be earns the 6th man of the year award ... but for now, I am in the slightly skeptical camp).

[meesho33]

I really don't see really what the Celt's motivation in giving up Walker if they don't get someone in addition to Daniels in return.

On the surface, as long as we get Daniels, all is good. But once you get to the details, it's a bad trade especially if Daniels is willing to sign for the LLE if a trade doesn't happen.

So Danny, keep your trade chips until Indiana sweetens the deal.

Agreed. I have no reservations giving up Allen and Pruitt to make the deal work.

Adding Walker and/or Giddens into the mix seems unnecessary.

Totally unnecessary.