Chris Haynes: There’s a growing belief Kyrie won’t resign in Boston

[nickagneta]

The more Boston wins without Irving, the more likely I think it is he leaves.

I'm particularly worried about the Knicks acquiring Davis and thus making them a very attractive spot for Irving in the summer.

You realize that some, if not all, of the games off Kyrie has recently taken off were games where Stevens realized he didn't need Kyrie to play to win the game, so gave him the game off, right?

So it's actually planned to let Kyrie have these nights off and still pick up a win meaning the Celtics win-loss record for when Kyrie was recently out means exactly ....SQUAT.

[SparzWizard]

The more Boston wins without Irving, the more likely I think it is he leaves.

I'm particularly worried about the Knicks acquiring Davis and thus making them a very attractive spot for Irving in the summer.

You realize that some, if not all, of the games off Kyrie has recently taken off were games where Stevens realized he didn't need Kyrie to play to win the game, so gave him the game off, right?

So it's actually planned to let Kyrie have these nights off and still pick up a win meaning the Celtics win-loss record for when Kyrie was recently out means exactly ....SQUAT.

Let's ask Kyrie to take a game off against the Warriors in Oracle Arena, or the home game against the Lakers, or a game off against the Bucks.

I don't like the sound of those lol. I especially want to beat and sweep the Lakers bad this year. Hopefully, the C's get the W at home against them first.

[Kuberski33]

Isn't it odd that - "an unnamed player" on GSW makes a negative remark about GH (who is an integral part of our future) and NOW this stuff breaks about AD?

And THEN the rumor floats about Kyrie?

Either I'm crazy or there is a movement going on to sway folks AWAY from BOS.........

I'll give ESPN much credit, though - nearly ALL of the analysts on this stated that NO would be best off waiting until the Summer to deal AD - all but one.

I think Demps is going to stay the course. Smart man.

And if AD is floating some of this mess then I don't want him in Green.

If Davis doesn't want to go to Boston, all he needs to say is he won't sign an extension if traded here. No way you give up assets on the 'hope' he'll like it here and stay - as long as he's represented by Klutch.

[nickagneta]

The more Boston wins without Irving, the more likely I think it is he leaves.

I'm particularly worried about the Knicks acquiring Davis and thus making them a very attractive spot for Irving in the summer.

You realize that some, if not all, of the games off Kyrie has recently taken off were games where Stevens realized he didn't need Kyrie to play to win the game, so gave him the game off, right?

So it's actually planned to let Kyrie have these nights off and still pick up a win meaning the Celtics win-loss record for when Kyrie was recently out means exactly ....SQUAT.

Let's ask Kyrie to take a game off against the Warriors in Oracle Arena, or the home game against the Lakers, or a game off against the Bucks.

I don't like the sound of those lol. I especially want to beat and sweep the Lakers bad this year. Hopefully, the C's get the W at home against them first.

Don't understand your point? Could you please explain

[Roy H.]

The more Boston wins without Irving, the more likely I think it is he leaves.

I'm particularly worried about the Knicks acquiring Davis and thus making them a very attractive spot for Irving in the summer.

You realize that some, if not all, of the games off Kyrie has recently taken off were games where Stevens realized he didn't need Kyrie to play to win the game, so gave him the game off, right?

So it's actually planned to let Kyrie have these nights off and still pick up a win meaning the Celtics win-loss record for when Kyrie was recently out means exactly ....SQUAT.

I also reject the premise that Kyrie sees his teammates winning games as a reason to leave. Kyrie wants to be the man, but I doubt very much that he wants a team that is 100% dependent upon him.

[Moranis]

The more Boston wins without Irving, the more likely I think it is he leaves.

I'm particularly worried about the Knicks acquiring Davis and thus making them a very attractive spot for Irving in the summer.

You realize that some, if not all, of the games off Kyrie has recently taken off were games where Stevens realized he didn't need Kyrie to play to win the game, so gave him the game off, right?

So it's actually planned to let Kyrie have these nights off and still pick up a win meaning the Celtics win-loss record for when Kyrie was recently out means exactly ....SQUAT.

or it is just a continuation of last year when the team was only on a slightly worse win pace without Irving then with him and made game 7 of the ECF without him.  If Boston loses to Mikwaukee or Toronto in the 2nd round who do you think is taking the brunt of that?  Who do you think is getting blamed for that failure?  Whose leadership is going to be questioned?

Irving doesn't take criticism well.  It won't be pleasant for him to get brutalized in the media and he will get brutalized.

[cltc5]

At this point I don’t care.  I love watching kyrie but it’s really like having IT all over again as it pertains to team ball.  I miss the cohesion of the unit when a ball dominat pf isn’t out there.  Unless we get another vet star, I don’t see it working this year.  Hope it comes together though.

[PhoSita]

The more Boston wins without Irving, the more likely I think it is he leaves.

I'm particularly worried about the Knicks acquiring Davis and thus making them a very attractive spot for Irving in the summer.

You realize that some, if not all, of the games off Kyrie has recently taken off were games where Stevens realized he didn't need Kyrie to play to win the game, so gave him the game off, right?

So it's actually planned to let Kyrie have these nights off and still pick up a win meaning the Celtics win-loss record for when Kyrie was recently out means exactly ....SQUAT.

I also find it amusing that the logic that people have expressed includes

Kyrie will leave because he doesn't have enough help

Kyrie will leave because the team wins without him

Makes so much sense!

[ozgod]

Isn't it odd that - "an unnamed player" on GSW makes a negative remark about GH (who is an integral part of our future) and NOW this stuff breaks about AD?

And THEN the rumor floats about Kyrie?

Either I'm crazy or there is a movement going on to sway folks AWAY from BOS.........

I'll give ESPN much credit, though - nearly ALL of the analysts on this stated that NO would be best off waiting until the Summer to deal AD - all but one.

I think Demps is going to stay the course. Smart man.

And if AD is floating some of this mess then I don't want him in Green.

If Davis doesn't want to go to Boston, all he needs to say is he won't sign an extension if traded here. No way you give up assets on the 'hope' he'll like it here and stay - as long as he's represented by Klutch.

Couldn't he choose to not sign an extension here (like Kyrie this year) and then re-sign here in free agency anyway?

[Moranis]

The more Boston wins without Irving, the more likely I think it is he leaves.

I'm particularly worried about the Knicks acquiring Davis and thus making them a very attractive spot for Irving in the summer.

You realize that some, if not all, of the games off Kyrie has recently taken off were games where Stevens realized he didn't need Kyrie to play to win the game, so gave him the game off, right?

So it's actually planned to let Kyrie have these nights off and still pick up a win meaning the Celtics win-loss record for when Kyrie was recently out means exactly ....SQUAT.

I also find it amusing that the logic that people have expressed includes

Kyrie will leave because he doesn't have enough help

Kyrie will leave because the team wins without him

Makes so much sense!

I certainly have never said he would leave because there isn't enough help here.  Irving is an odd duck.  He does and says some strange things, but I do believe he grew up wanting to be a Knick and if they position themselves well, I think he could potentially be persuaded to go there. That is especially true if Boston's season flames out because if the team isn't winning then you might as well live and play where you've always wanted to.

[nickagneta]

The more Boston wins without Irving, the more likely I think it is he leaves.

I'm particularly worried about the Knicks acquiring Davis and thus making them a very attractive spot for Irving in the summer.

You realize that some, if not all, of the games off Kyrie has recently taken off were games where Stevens realized he didn't need Kyrie to play to win the game, so gave him the game off, right?

So it's actually planned to let Kyrie have these nights off and still pick up a win meaning the Celtics win-loss record for when Kyrie was recently out means exactly ....SQUAT.

or it is just a continuation of last year when the team was only on a slightly worse win pace without Irving then with him and made game 7 of the ECF without him.  If Boston loses to Mikwaukee or Toronto in the 2nd round who do you think is taking the brunt of that?  Who do you think is getting blamed for that failure?  Whose leadership is going to be questioned?

Irving doesn't take criticism well.  It won't be pleasant for him to get brutalized in the media and he will get brutalized.

No it's very much a planned thing. The plan is to get Kyrie rest from some of his recent aches and pains while doing it during times they should win the games.

You saying if it continued(Kyrie days off, Celtics winning), which by the way led off your previous post(see bolded above), which I assume means that was your main point, would cause Kyrie to rethink staying here. But it's the plan to win those games and Kyrie knows it is, so your entire thought process is fatally flawed. If the Celtics continue to win when Kyrie doesn't play would have no effect on Kyrie's decision because he knows the days he isn't playing are games the coaches felt they could win with or without Kyrie and we're planned for Kyrie to miss with his knowledge.

[footey]

I think the biggest risk that Kyrie leaves is the cloud this trade will put over guys like Brown and Tatum. They could rebel from Kyrie’s leadership knowing that he is in touch with AD recruiting him to come here, talking to Danny and Brad to make it happen in off season. Real or imagined, if we go into another losing streak, don’t think it will be so easy to patch up.

Hope I’m wrong.

[RodyTur10]

For one I don't think the Pels will trade him before the deadline.

What if the Suns win the lottery. You mean to tell me that Zion wouldn't be on the table for the Pels to trade?

All these reporters slurping on Bron and the Lakers just to keep a story going. That's where all the drama and stories are. Everyone is signing with the Lakers. LOL

Kyrie isn't going anywhere. The only way he goes to NY is if KD goes to NY. That would be the move to worry about.

I think Rich Paul is Chris Baynes' source - hence the anti-Boston spin and ruling out Philly (because of Paul's representation of Ben Simmons).

A post over on Reddit claims the same thing.

Haynes tweeting about Noel, after Noel switched agents to Rich Paul.  It would look bad that Rich Paul couldn't get a better offer than $70m/4yrs that Noel turned down, so Haynes tweets out the offer never existed:

“’Nerlens Noel signs 1-year, $4.1 million QO to return to Mavs, league sources tell ESPN. Reported $17M "offer " was non-existent in any form.”

Only to be rebuffed when Noel's former agent replied that the offer was there:

@ChrisBHaynes
 You can't rewrite history for @richpaul4
@mcuban offered a 4 year $70m deal and Nerlens passed. #diligencetweets

And then there's this puff piece Chris Haynes wrote about Rich Paul back in 2014.

So looks like Rich Paul is definitely one of Haynes sources.  So anything leaked to Haynes from Paul is to push the narrative that Paul is trying to manipulate.

Off-topic

4 year $70m deal and Nerlens passed

I respect that from a player that he doesn't play for money. He could've stayed in Dallas, but he didn't like it there and now he's a valuable back-up player for OKC. He turned down a lot of money (I think in the end he'll have left about 50 million on the table). Good for him.

[Silky]

Davis would not have leaked he wants a trade now if he wanted Boston because everyone knows Boston cannot trade now.

Seeing the decline in Horford, and nothingness being given by Hayward and the difficulty in leading a team of young guys, and wanting to play with other superstars(the NBA norm now) I can see Irving questioning signing long term.


Danny has tough decisions to make. really tough ones.

Me, I think I would consider trading Kyrie to NYK for their pick unprotected, and would drop the Davis pipedream and look to return to the team that went deep into the playoffs last season.

Kemba is going to be available, multiple bigmen, there is no need to be married to Kyrie and Davis 100% at this point in time(when there is no guaranteed assurances from either) to the point when you destroy what you already have.






all being said, IF Kyrie wants to stay, and he and Davis want to play together here, then Kyrie can take a 1 year extension now, we can trade, then Davis and Kyrie can both be resigned.

[Fafnir]

I respect that from a player that he doesn't play for money. He could've stayed in Dallas, but he didn't like it there and now he's a valuable back-up player for OKC. He turned down a lot of money (I think in the end he'll have left about 50 million on the table). Good for him.

He turned it down because he believed he was going to get a BIGGER offer on the open market. Not because he didn't want to play in Dallas.