Chris Haynes: There’s a growing belief Kyrie won’t resign in Boston

[mef730]

The more Boston wins without Irving, the more likely I think it is he leaves.

I'm particularly worried about the Knicks acquiring Davis and thus making them a very attractive spot for Irving in the summer.

You realize that some, if not all, of the games off Kyrie has recently taken off were games where Stevens realized he didn't need Kyrie to play to win the game, so gave him the game off, right?

So it's actually planned to let Kyrie have these nights off and still pick up a win meaning the Celtics win-loss record for when Kyrie was recently out means exactly ....SQUAT.

Let's ask Kyrie to take a game off against the Warriors in Oracle Arena, or the home game against the Lakers, or a game off against the Bucks.

I don't like the sound of those lol. I especially want to beat and sweep the Lakers bad this year. Hopefully, the C's get the W at home against them first.

Trade deadline: Feb 7, 3pm
Vs Lakers at home: Feb 7, 8pm

Man, that's going to be awkward...

Mike

[tazzmaniac]

Davis would not have leaked he wants a trade now if he wanted Boston because everyone knows Boston cannot trade now.

Seeing the decline in Horford, and nothingness being given by Hayward and the difficulty in leading a team of young guys, and wanting to play with other superstars(the NBA norm now) I can see Irving questioning signing long term.


Danny has tough decisions to make. really tough ones.

Me, I think I would consider trading Kyrie to NYK for their pick unprotected, and would drop the Davis pipedream and look to return to the team that went deep into the playoffs last season.

Kemba is going to be available, multiple bigmen, there is no need to be married to Kyrie and Davis 100% at this point in time(when there is no guaranteed assurances from either) to the point when you destroy what you already have.






all being said, IF Kyrie wants to stay, and he and Davis want to play together here, then Kyrie can take a 1 year extension now, we can trade, then Davis and Kyrie can both be resigned.

Davis was smart to leak that he wants a trade now.  He doesn't want to damage his image.  No reason for him to string along the Pel fans and give them false hope.  He also saw how Minny screwed around Butler for months after he requested to be traded.  Kyrie would be stupid to take a 1 year extension with the significant risk of injury. 

[RodyTur10]

I respect that from a player that he doesn't play for money. He could've stayed in Dallas, but he didn't like it there and now he's a valuable back-up player for OKC. He turned down a lot of money (I think in the end he'll have left about 50 million on the table). Good for him.

He turned it down because he believed he was going to get a BIGGER offer on the open market. Not because he didn't want to play in Dallas.

I don't understand how Noel is going to get a better offer than a $70 million !!! contract. That's already an overpay in my book. And I actually like Noel.

[PhoSita]

I believe the stories that Davis wants to go the Lakers.

So did Paul George and Kawhi before him.

We'll see if he actually ends up there.

[RodyTur10]

Davis would not have leaked he wants a trade now if he wanted Boston because everyone knows Boston cannot trade now.

Seeing the decline in Horford, and nothingness being given by Hayward and the difficulty in leading a team of young guys, and wanting to play with other superstars(the NBA norm now) I can see Irving questioning signing long term.


Danny has tough decisions to make. really tough ones.

Me, I think I would consider trading Kyrie to NYK for their pick unprotected, and would drop the Davis pipedream and look to return to the team that went deep into the playoffs last season.

Kemba is going to be available, multiple bigmen, there is no need to be married to Kyrie and Davis 100% at this point in time(when there is no guaranteed assurances from either) to the point when you destroy what you already have.






all being said, IF Kyrie wants to stay, and he and Davis want to play together here, then Kyrie can take a 1 year extension now, we can trade, then Davis and Kyrie can both be resigned.

Davis was smart to leak that he wants a trade now.  He doesn't want to damage his image.  No reason for him to string along the Pel fans and give them false hope.  He also saw how Minny screwed around Butler for months after he requested to be traded.  Kyrie would be stupid to take a 1 year extension with the significant risk of injury.

Yes, I think people are taking the wrong conclusions by panicking over the Lakers. Davis didn't want the Pelicans organization to make desperate moves to keep him. Now everything is clear and the fans don't have to speculate whether he would sign an extension. And I think the Pelicans' fans understand Davis' decision. Davis wants to leave in good way, even though he's disappointed that the franchise wasn't able to build a contender around him he has no grudge against the team or organization.

[RJ87]

I respect that from a player that he doesn't play for money. He could've stayed in Dallas, but he didn't like it there and now he's a valuable back-up player for OKC. He turned down a lot of money (I think in the end he'll have left about 50 million on the table). Good for him.

He turned it down because he believed he was going to get a BIGGER offer on the open market. Not because he didn't want to play in Dallas.

I don't understand how Noel is going to get a better offer than a $70 million !!! contract. That's already an overpay in my book. And I actually like Noel.

He wanted a max deal. He didn't leave money on the table because he wanted out, his agent overestimated his market and then he bombed his QO year in Dallas and played himself out of Rick Carlisle's rotation.

[bdm860]

I respect that from a player that he doesn't play for money. He could've stayed in Dallas, but he didn't like it there and now he's a valuable back-up player for OKC. He turned down a lot of money (I think in the end he'll have left about 50 million on the table). Good for him.

He turned it down because he believed he was going to get a BIGGER offer on the open market. Not because he didn't want to play in Dallas.

I don't understand how Noel is going to get a better offer than a $70 million !!! contract. That's already an overpay in my book. And I actually like Noel.

He wanted a max deal. He didn't leave money on the table because he wanted out, his agent overestimated his market and then he bombed his QO year in Dallas and played himself out of Rick Carlisle's rotation.

To fill this out, Adams and Gobert (from the same draft class) were each extended for big money, $100m/4yrs and $102m/4yrs in 2016 respectively.  Also in 2016, Centers like Mozgov ($64m/4yrs) and Biyombo ($70m/4yrs) got paid.  2016 was a crazy free agency year with the cap spike.  So the next year in 2017, Noel thought he was worth at least that $100m number that Adams and Gobert got.

I can't believe this is trying to get twisted into Noel is a good guy who doesn't care about money.  Noel went through 3 agents in 9 months trying to get himself paid, (left Andy Miller for Happy Walters in Dec 16, left Walters for Paul in Aug 17).  You can like Noel, currently playing 13mpg on a minimum contract, but let's be real here.

[Fafnir]

Also I fully believe Noel turned down that Mavericks offer against the advice of his agents at the time. That's why he hopped from agent to agent.

Its one thing to push back on the offer, but to take the QO that small yikes.

[KGs Knee]

Davis would not have leaked he wants a trade now if he wanted Boston because everyone knows Boston cannot trade now.

Seeing the decline in Horford, and nothingness being given by Hayward and the difficulty in leading a team of young guys, and wanting to play with other superstars(the NBA norm now) I can see Irving questioning signing long term.


Danny has tough decisions to make. really tough ones.

Me, I think I would consider trading Kyrie to NYK for their pick unprotected, and would drop the Davis pipedream and look to return to the team that went deep into the playoffs last season.

Kemba is going to be available, multiple bigmen, there is no need to be married to Kyrie and Davis 100% at this point in time(when there is no guaranteed assurances from either) to the point when you destroy what you already have.






all being said, IF Kyrie wants to stay, and he and Davis want to play together here, then Kyrie can take a 1 year extension now, we can trade, then Davis and Kyrie can both be resigned.

Davis was smart to leak that he wants a trade now.  He doesn't want to damage his image.  No reason for him to string along the Pel fans and give them false hope.  He also saw how Minny screwed around Butler for months after he requested to be traded.  Kyrie would be stupid to take a 1 year extension with the significant risk of injury.

Yes, I think people are taking the wrong conclusions by panicking over the Lakers. Davis didn't want the Pelicans organization to make desperate moves to keep him. Now everything is clear and the fans don't have to speculate whether he would sign an extension. And I think the Pelicans' fans understand Davis' decision. Davis wants to leave in good way, even though he's disappointed that the franchise wasn't able to build a contender around him he has no grudge against the team or organization.

Yeah, if Davis already has made up his mind to leave New Orleans, telling them now is the right thing to do.

[BringToughnessBack]

Davis would not have leaked he wants a trade now if he wanted Boston because everyone knows Boston cannot trade now.

Seeing the decline in Horford, and nothingness being given by Hayward and the difficulty in leading a team of young guys, and wanting to play with other superstars(the NBA norm now) I can see Irving questioning signing long term.


Danny has tough decisions to make. really tough ones.

Me, I think I would consider trading Kyrie to NYK for their pick unprotected, and would drop the Davis pipedream and look to return to the team that went deep into the playoffs last season.

Kemba is going to be available, multiple bigmen, there is no need to be married to Kyrie and Davis 100% at this point in time(when there is no guaranteed assurances from either) to the point when you destroy what you already have.






all being said, IF Kyrie wants to stay, and he and Davis want to play together here, then Kyrie can take a 1 year extension now, we can trade, then Davis and Kyrie can both be resigned.

Davis was smart to leak that he wants a trade now.  He doesn't want to damage his image.  No reason for him to string along the Pel fans and give them false hope.  He also saw how Minny screwed around Butler for months after he requested to be traded.  Kyrie would be stupid to take a 1 year extension with the significant risk of injury.

Yes, I think people are taking the wrong conclusions by panicking over the Lakers. Davis didn't want the Pelicans organization to make desperate moves to keep him. Now everything is clear and the fans don't have to speculate whether he would sign an extension. And I think the Pelicans' fans understand Davis' decision. Davis wants to leave in good way, even though he's disappointed that the franchise wasn't able to build a contender around him he has no grudge against the team or organization.

Yeah, if Davis already has made up his mind to leave New Orleans, telling them now is the right thing to do.

Absolutely, it is the anti-Lebron thing to do. Give NO the best chance to get the best offer either in next 9 days or in the summer.

[Kuberski33]

Davis would not have leaked he wants a trade now if he wanted Boston because everyone knows Boston cannot trade now.

Seeing the decline in Horford, and nothingness being given by Hayward and the difficulty in leading a team of young guys, and wanting to play with other superstars(the NBA norm now) I can see Irving questioning signing long term.

Danny has tough decisions to make. really tough ones.

Horford declining?  Have you watched him lately?  They can't win without him.  I'm guessing that getting him back here is right up there on Ainge's priority list.

He doesn't play at his peak level every night but that's also why Brad is giving him plenty of nights off. His skills at the 5/4 cannot be easily replaced and he presents match up problems to all of their playoff opponents.

[More Banners]

Haynes is getting exposed as the Klutch Sports and Rich Paul propaganda machine, and notice how the only other guy who's mentioned Kyrie likely leaving is Windhorst (LBJ's mouthpiece). I trust what Kyrie said in front of a packed TD Garden crowd and the Pelicans organization who pretty much called out Lebron, Paul and the Lakers for blatant tampering.

Yeah. Windy was obnoxious on the Lowe Post podcast today with his Kyrie to the Lakers talk. I don't know if Kyrie ultimately resigns, but I'd be totally, completely, absolutely shocked if he goes to LA to play with Lebron.

Ding ding ding!

So the Celts pretty much have both the most and perhaps best collection of assets in the league. Unfortunately, we can't trade for AD  this year because we have Kyrie. So...create rumor that leads to making C's bidders for AD now so other teams pony up their best offers and a deal gets done. Sharing an agent, and Kyrie having called Lebron recently, this makes it plausible.

The Kyrie rumor is bs.

But still, I'd think about it if I were Danny. Kyrie is a great player, but AD is a generational big man, like KG before him. Are the young players ready to go win-now on that level?  They'd say they were half a game from the Finals already, what more do you want?

Oh yeah...crank up the trade machine to bring in AD and another great player, a la 2007, to join Horford and Hayward (aka "the fourth option"). Kemba? Beal?

[RMO]

I listened to Mike Gorman on a podcast a few weeks ago and he actually brought up Kyrie leaving.  It was all hypothetical but he suggested that committing so early in the season could be a move to not have it hanging over the team all season.  He'd get asked about it at every pre and post game interview.  It would hang over the team all season.  By announcing he was returning he eliminated that and could always change his mind later.

Again, it was purely hypothetical but still interesting.

[ederson]

It makes sense but I ve seen him during games shouting to the crowd that he is staying.. I don't think he was faking

[LarBrd33]

I listened to Mike Gorman on a podcast a few weeks ago and he actually brought up Kyrie leaving.  It was all hypothetical but he suggested that committing so early in the season could be a move to not have it hanging over the team all season.  He'd get asked about it at every pre and post game interview.  It would hang over the team all season.  By announcing he was returning he eliminated that and could always change his mind later.

Again, it was purely hypothetical but still interesting.

Sure.  I said the same thing on my podcast with KG Living Legend this week - https://youtu.be/1vWsLHiDzZ4 and that was a day before this "news" broke... which by the way.. isn't news... Haynes literally said his source (Rich Paul) told him "There’s a growing belief of uncertainty that Kyrie Irving will re-sign with Boston".  Cool, so Rich Paul is growing uncertain.  Welcome to club, Rich. I've been here all year.  The thing is, there was all sorts of noise about Kyrie going to the Knicks.  Saying he intends to stay at least shut up that noise for a bit (it would have been deafening during our early struggles) but it's not like he signed a contract.  Some part of me has always been uncertain and it only gets more uncertain as his supporting cast continues to look like non-stars. 

Really, as a fan of the team does it really matter whether he leaves now vs whether he leaves having not made a pinky swear promise?  Either way, you're going to be burning jerseys.  It's not like him telling you his word is oak is going to make you burn those jerseys any faster.   No matter what, Boston fans are going to be furious.  So he might as well come out and say he's staying to get some media off his back.

He's still going to make a decision for himself.  He's a flat earther with a history of unpredictable career decisions... and if faced with the option of staying on a 5th seed Celtic squad with Tatum, Brown and Hayward (all of which aren't playing like stars) vs going to a team like the Knicks to team up with Porzingis and someone like Durant or Butler... I mean... he's gonna have to weigh that decision.

All that said, I have every reason to believe he will stay.  And I say this whether or not we add Anthony Davis... I just think it's a good situation for him, a great franchise, a great staff, and a quality supporting cast that should get better as this season progresses.  Our 2nd best player is younger than Robert Williams... who knows how good Tatum can be in a year or two.  Kyrie has some good guys to run with right now.  They stand a decent chance of making the Conference Finals if the young guys don't check out mentally in preparation for their trades to the Pelicans.