Chris Haynes: There’s a growing belief Kyrie won’t resign in Boston

[SHAQATTACK]

I'm not sure who "hates" Kyrie. I love watching him play. Do not under any circumstances him leaving Boston. They are 10 times better with him than they would be without him.

To me securing him in the offseason is priority #1.

exactly !

[Roy H.]

The quick way to solve this is just to go to Kyrie and ask him. If he wants to be traded, trade him now and keep it moving. Ainge has enough assets and young talent to move on.

I would try to get Beal
I would try to get Poetl and Murray from the Spurs
I would try to get Holiday and Randle

If Kyrie really wants to go back and play with Bron he is a fool.

LA isn't his only option, you know that right? New York can trade for AD and he can just go there as an FA and play with his buddy. I think ultimately, Kyrie wants to play for a fanbase that appreciates him, for whatever reason Boston fans seem to hate him.

I'm seeing that this is becoming a narrative in your posts, I assume in frustration with the Kyrie trolls that many of us have found to be quite annoying.  But that statement is far from accurate.  I go to most home games and Kyrie gets cheers at loud as IT got during player intros and no one else has been comparable to those 2 in my 3 years.  Not Horford, Tatum, or Hayward, aside from when they showed him in a hospital bed.

There is a small swath of delusional fans here who don't like him.  But as a larger group, "Boston fans" actually tend to shout 'MVP!' when he shoots free throws.

I think the annoyingly vocal minority has changed what people think - me included. However, RJ's response was directly to a very vocal anti-Kyrie guy.

Yeah, without naming names, five idiots can make a lot of noise on a message board, but in the real world their influence is infinitesimally small.

I love Kyrie Irving and I'm firmly in his camp. And I agree that keeping him should be our top priority. He's our most important player to build around. More important even than Tatum or Brown.

However I don't think you should refer to non-believers as 'idiots'. Even if they are annoying sometimes.

I'm not singling any individual poster out, or saying that everyone that holds a viewpoint is an idiot.  But, we've got plenty of idiots in this fanbase, and on this site.

[celticinorlando]

Scal just said about the Haynes quote he is talking to Rich Paul and it is coming from there.

Scal also said the NO wants to shed salary and bad contracts then they will go ahead with this deal with LA before the deadline. If not, then Boston has upperhand.

[RodyTur10]

I think PhoSita nailed it.

The whole paragraph reads: "Regarding team preferences, Boston is not a top target for Davis, sources said. There’s a growing belief of uncertainty that Kyrie Irving will re-sign with Boston, sources said, even though he vowed to do so at the beginning of the season."

So there's 2 things there, both attributed to "sources." Different sources? The same sources? Who knows but it reads to me like the "growing belief of uncertainty ()" is coming from people around Davis, not people connected, in any way, to the Celtics.

Assuming New Orleans doesn't blow this and waits until the offseason to do a deal, by that time the Kyrie thing won't be any issue anymore.

We'll see what AD and Kyrie's conversations at the all star game look like.

Aren't Giannis and Lebron the captains?  Giannis needs to pick AD before Lebron does, and then take Kyrie with his 2nd pick.  That would make me a big Giannis fan!

AD wasn't voted in as a starter so he'll probably end up being the 1st reserve pick.  I think Lebron getting the most votes goes 1st picking the staters and Giannis goes 1st picking the reserves.

Yeah, what is all the fuss about?

We're not talking about an All Star starter. 

[smokeablount]

I think PhoSita nailed it.

The whole paragraph reads: "Regarding team preferences, Boston is not a top target for Davis, sources said. There’s a growing belief of uncertainty that Kyrie Irving will re-sign with Boston, sources said, even though he vowed to do so at the beginning of the season."

So there's 2 things there, both attributed to "sources." Different sources? The same sources? Who knows but it reads to me like the "growing belief of uncertainty ()" is coming from people around Davis, not people connected, in any way, to the Celtics.

Assuming New Orleans doesn't blow this and waits until the offseason to do a deal, by that time the Kyrie thing won't be any issue anymore.

We'll see what AD and Kyrie's conversations at the all star game look like.

Aren't Giannis and Lebron the captains?  Giannis needs to pick AD before Lebron does, and then take Kyrie with his 2nd pick.  That would make me a big Giannis fan!

AD wasn't voted in as a starter so he'll probably end up being the 1st reserve pick.  I think Lebron getting the most votes goes 1st picking the staters and Giannis goes 1st picking the reserves.

Then I hope Bron doesn't draft Kyrie.  He probably will.

[RodyTur10]

The quick way to solve this is just to go to Kyrie and ask him. If he wants to be traded, trade him now and keep it moving. Ainge has enough assets and young talent to move on.

I would try to get Beal
I would try to get Poetl and Murray from the Spurs
I would try to get Holiday and Randle

If Kyrie really wants to go back and play with Bron he is a fool.

LA isn't his only option, you know that right? New York can trade for AD and he can just go there as an FA and play with his buddy. I think ultimately, Kyrie wants to play for a fanbase that appreciates him, for whatever reason Boston fans seem to hate him.

I'm seeing that this is becoming a narrative in your posts, I assume in frustration with the Kyrie trolls that many of us have found to be quite annoying.  But that statement is far from accurate.  I go to most home games and Kyrie gets cheers at loud as IT got during player intros and no one else has been comparable to those 2 in my 3 years.  Not Horford, Tatum, or Hayward, aside from when they showed him in a hospital bed.

There is a small swath of delusional fans here who don't like him.  But as a larger group, "Boston fans" actually tend to shout 'MVP!' when he shoots free throws.

I think the annoyingly vocal minority has changed what people think - me included. However, RJ's response was directly to a very vocal anti-Kyrie guy.

Yeah, without naming names, five idiots can make a lot of noise on a message board, but in the real world their influence is infinitesimally small.

I love Kyrie Irving and I'm firmly in his camp. And I agree that keeping him should be our top priority. He's our most important player to build around. More important even than Tatum or Brown.

However I don't think you should refer to non-believers as 'idiots'. Even if they are annoying sometimes.

I'm not singling any individual poster out, or saying that everyone that holds a viewpoint is an idiot.  But, we've got plenty of idiots in this fanbase, and on this site.

I think that the sentence ''five idiots can make a lot of noise on a message board'' can easily being taken the wrong way. We all know the names of frequent posters who have doubts about the impact by Irving.

[Roy H.]

The quick way to solve this is just to go to Kyrie and ask him. If he wants to be traded, trade him now and keep it moving. Ainge has enough assets and young talent to move on.

I would try to get Beal
I would try to get Poetl and Murray from the Spurs
I would try to get Holiday and Randle

If Kyrie really wants to go back and play with Bron he is a fool.

LA isn't his only option, you know that right? New York can trade for AD and he can just go there as an FA and play with his buddy. I think ultimately, Kyrie wants to play for a fanbase that appreciates him, for whatever reason Boston fans seem to hate him.

I'm seeing that this is becoming a narrative in your posts, I assume in frustration with the Kyrie trolls that many of us have found to be quite annoying.  But that statement is far from accurate.  I go to most home games and Kyrie gets cheers at loud as IT got during player intros and no one else has been comparable to those 2 in my 3 years.  Not Horford, Tatum, or Hayward, aside from when they showed him in a hospital bed.

There is a small swath of delusional fans here who don't like him.  But as a larger group, "Boston fans" actually tend to shout 'MVP!' when he shoots free throws.

I think the annoyingly vocal minority has changed what people think - me included. However, RJ's response was directly to a very vocal anti-Kyrie guy.

Yeah, without naming names, five idiots can make a lot of noise on a message board, but in the real world their influence is infinitesimally small.

I love Kyrie Irving and I'm firmly in his camp. And I agree that keeping him should be our top priority. He's our most important player to build around. More important even than Tatum or Brown.

However I don't think you should refer to non-believers as 'idiots'. Even if they are annoying sometimes.

I'm not singling any individual poster out, or saying that everyone that holds a viewpoint is an idiot.  But, we've got plenty of idiots in this fanbase, and on this site.

I think that the sentence ''five idiots can make a lot of noise on a message board'' can easily being taken the wrong way. We all know the names of frequent posters who have doubts about the impact by Irving.

Read into it as you wish. As I said, I’m not naming names.

[nickagneta]

The quick way to solve this is just to go to Kyrie and ask him. If he wants to be traded, trade him now and keep it moving. Ainge has enough assets and young talent to move on.

I would try to get Beal
I would try to get Poetl and Murray from the Spurs
I would try to get Holiday and Randle

If Kyrie really wants to go back and play with Bron he is a fool.

LA isn't his only option, you know that right? New York can trade for AD and he can just go there as an FA and play with his buddy. I think ultimately, Kyrie wants to play for a fanbase that appreciates him, for whatever reason Boston fans seem to hate him.

I'm seeing that this is becoming a narrative in your posts, I assume in frustration with the Kyrie trolls that many of us have found to be quite annoying.  But that statement is far from accurate.  I go to most home games and Kyrie gets cheers at loud as IT got during player intros and no one else has been comparable to those 2 in my 3 years.  Not Horford, Tatum, or Hayward, aside from when they showed him in a hospital bed.

There is a small swath of delusional fans here who don't like him.  But as a larger group, "Boston fans" actually tend to shout 'MVP!' when he shoots free throws.

I think the annoyingly vocal minority has changed what people think - me included. However, RJ's response was directly to a very vocal anti-Kyrie guy.

Yeah, without naming names, five idiots can make a lot of noise on a message board, but in the real world their influence is infinitesimally small.

I love Kyrie Irving and I'm firmly in his camp. And I agree that keeping him should be our top priority. He's our most important player to build around. More important even than Tatum or Brown.

However I don't think you should refer to non-believers as 'idiots'. Even if they are annoying sometimes.

I'm not singling any individual poster out, or saying that everyone that holds a viewpoint is an idiot.  But, we've got plenty of idiots in this fanbase, and on this site.

I think that the sentence ''five idiots can make a lot of noise on a message board'' can easily being taken the wrong way. We all know the names of frequent posters who have doubts about the impact by Irving.

Read into it as you wish. As I said, I’m not naming names.

As a 12 year vet on this site and not talking as a mod, I can confirm there are idiots on this board and have been since I first started reading the site in late 2006. Sorry, that's just reality.

[KGBirdBias]

I read that in order for the Lakers to get another max FA next to go with AD, AD would have to waive his 15% trade kicker because they stretched Deng. Is he willing to do that?

He wouldn't have to in going to Boston.

[bdm860]

For one I don't think the Pels will trade him before the deadline.

What if the Suns win the lottery. You mean to tell me that Zion wouldn't be on the table for the Pels to trade?

All these reporters slurping on Bron and the Lakers just to keep a story going. That's where all the drama and stories are. Everyone is signing with the Lakers. LOL

Kyrie isn't going anywhere. The only way he goes to NY is if KD goes to NY. That would be the move to worry about.

I think Rich Paul is Chris Baynes' source - hence the anti-Boston spin and ruling out Philly (because of Paul's representation of Ben Simmons).

A post over on Reddit claims the same thing.

Haynes tweeting about Noel, after Noel switched agents to Rich Paul.  It would look bad that Rich Paul couldn't get a better offer than $70m/4yrs that Noel turned down, so Haynes tweets out the offer never existed:

“’Nerlens Noel signs 1-year, $4.1 million QO to return to Mavs, league sources tell ESPN. Reported $17M "offer " was non-existent in any form.”

Only to be rebuffed when Noel's former agent replied that the offer was there:

@ChrisBHaynes
 You can't rewrite history for @richpaul4
@mcuban offered a 4 year $70m deal and Nerlens passed. #diligencetweets

And then there's this puff piece Chris Haynes wrote about Rich Paul back in 2014.

So looks like Rich Paul is definitely one of Haynes sources.  So anything leaked to Haynes from Paul is to push the narrative that Paul is trying to manipulate.

[RJ87]

For one I don't think the Pels will trade him before the deadline.

What if the Suns win the lottery. You mean to tell me that Zion wouldn't be on the table for the Pels to trade?

All these reporters slurping on Bron and the Lakers just to keep a story going. That's where all the drama and stories are. Everyone is signing with the Lakers. LOL

Kyrie isn't going anywhere. The only way he goes to NY is if KD goes to NY. That would be the move to worry about.

I think Rich Paul is Chris Baynes' source - hence the anti-Boston spin and ruling out Philly (because of Paul's representation of Ben Simmons).

A post over on Reddit claims the same thing.

Haynes tweeting about Noel, after Noel switched agents to Rich Paul.  It would look bad that Rich Paul couldn't get a better offer than $70m/4yrs that Noel turned down, so Haynes tweets out the offer never existed:

“’Nerlens Noel signs 1-year, $4.1 million QO to return to Mavs, league sources tell ESPN. Reported $17M "offer " was non-existent in any form.”

Only to be rebuffed when Noel's former agent replied that the offer was there:

@ChrisBHaynes
 You can't rewrite history for @richpaul4
@mcuban offered a 4 year $70m deal and Nerlens passed. #diligencetweets

And then there's this puff piece Chris Haynes wrote about Rich Paul back in 2014.

So looks like Rich Paul is definitely one of Haynes sources.  So anything leaked to Haynes from Paul is to push the narrative that Paul is trying to manipulate.

TP.

As I said earlier in the thread, agents are usually the sources for big writers. Especially when there's a narrative to control.

[jpotter33]

For one I don't think the Pels will trade him before the deadline.

What if the Suns win the lottery. You mean to tell me that Zion wouldn't be on the table for the Pels to trade?

All these reporters slurping on Bron and the Lakers just to keep a story going. That's where all the drama and stories are. Everyone is signing with the Lakers. LOL

Kyrie isn't going anywhere. The only way he goes to NY is if KD goes to NY. That would be the move to worry about.

I think Rich Paul is Chris Baynes' source - hence the anti-Boston spin and ruling out Philly (because of Paul's representation of Ben Simmons).

A post over on Reddit claims the same thing.

Haynes tweeting about Noel, after Noel switched agents to Rich Paul.  It would look bad that Rich Paul couldn't get a better offer than $70m/4yrs that Noel turned down, so Haynes tweets out the offer never existed:

“’Nerlens Noel signs 1-year, $4.1 million QO to return to Mavs, league sources tell ESPN. Reported $17M "offer " was non-existent in any form.”

Only to be rebuffed when Noel's former agent replied that the offer was there:

@ChrisBHaynes
 You can't rewrite history for @richpaul4
@mcuban offered a 4 year $70m deal and Nerlens passed. #diligencetweets

And then there's this puff piece Chris Haynes wrote about Rich Paul back in 2014.

So looks like Rich Paul is definitely one of Haynes sources.  So anything leaked to Haynes from Paul is to push the narrative that Paul is trying to manipulate.

TP.

As I said earlier in the thread, agents are usually the sources for big writers. Especially when there's a narrative to control.

Definitely makes sense. And of course Paul would be pushing AD to go to LA over Boston, as (a) he has Lebron and others there, too, and (b) they can make more overall money in endorsements there.

But if AD truly cares about winning, which seems like he does, he knows that Boston is his best option both short-and long-term.

[tazzmaniac]

For one I don't think the Pels will trade him before the deadline.

What if the Suns win the lottery. You mean to tell me that Zion wouldn't be on the table for the Pels to trade?

All these reporters slurping on Bron and the Lakers just to keep a story going. That's where all the drama and stories are. Everyone is signing with the Lakers. LOL

Kyrie isn't going anywhere. The only way he goes to NY is if KD goes to NY. That would be the move to worry about.

I think Rich Paul is Chris Baynes' source - hence the anti-Boston spin and ruling out Philly (because of Paul's representation of Ben Simmons).

A post over on Reddit claims the same thing.

Haynes tweeting about Noel, after Noel switched agents to Rich Paul.  It would look bad that Rich Paul couldn't get a better offer than $70m/4yrs that Noel turned down, so Haynes tweets out the offer never existed:

“’Nerlens Noel signs 1-year, $4.1 million QO to return to Mavs, league sources tell ESPN. Reported $17M "offer " was non-existent in any form.”

Only to be rebuffed when Noel's former agent replied that the offer was there:

@ChrisBHaynes
 You can't rewrite history for @richpaul4
@mcuban offered a 4 year $70m deal and Nerlens passed. #diligencetweets

And then there's this puff piece Chris Haynes wrote about Rich Paul back in 2014.

So looks like Rich Paul is definitely one of Haynes sources.  So anything leaked to Haynes from Paul is to push the narrative that Paul is trying to manipulate.

TP.

As I said earlier in the thread, agents are usually the sources for big writers. Especially when there's a narrative to control.

Definitely makes sense. And of course Paul would be pushing AD to go to LA over Boston, as (a) he has Lebron and others there, too, and (b) they can make more overall money in endorsements there.

But if AD truly cares about winning, which seems like he does, he knows that Boston is his best option both short-and long-term.

That would be a lot more convincing if we had made the finals last season and were in 1st place not 5th this season.  Horford is old.  Hayward's injury recovery is uncertain to get him back to the player he was.  Uncertainty over Kyrie re-signing.

[j804]

Haynes doubling down on it: https://sports.yahoo.com/potential-landing-spots-anthony-davis-005158402.html

He said because of Kyries uncertainty and other reasons the Celts aren’t a preferred destination. LeBron/Rich Paul hate the Celtics and Boston pretty sure they are putting things in his head.

[jpotter33]

For one I don't think the Pels will trade him before the deadline.

What if the Suns win the lottery. You mean to tell me that Zion wouldn't be on the table for the Pels to trade?

All these reporters slurping on Bron and the Lakers just to keep a story going. That's where all the drama and stories are. Everyone is signing with the Lakers. LOL

Kyrie isn't going anywhere. The only way he goes to NY is if KD goes to NY. That would be the move to worry about.

I think Rich Paul is Chris Baynes' source - hence the anti-Boston spin and ruling out Philly (because of Paul's representation of Ben Simmons).

A post over on Reddit claims the same thing.

Haynes tweeting about Noel, after Noel switched agents to Rich Paul.  It would look bad that Rich Paul couldn't get a better offer than $70m/4yrs that Noel turned down, so Haynes tweets out the offer never existed:

“’Nerlens Noel signs 1-year, $4.1 million QO to return to Mavs, league sources tell ESPN. Reported $17M "offer " was non-existent in any form.”

Only to be rebuffed when Noel's former agent replied that the offer was there:

@ChrisBHaynes
 You can't rewrite history for @richpaul4
@mcuban offered a 4 year $70m deal and Nerlens passed. #diligencetweets

And then there's this puff piece Chris Haynes wrote about Rich Paul back in 2014.

So looks like Rich Paul is definitely one of Haynes sources.  So anything leaked to Haynes from Paul is to push the narrative that Paul is trying to manipulate.

TP.

As I said earlier in the thread, agents are usually the sources for big writers. Especially when there's a narrative to control.

Definitely makes sense. And of course Paul would be pushing AD to go to LA over Boston, as (a) he has Lebron and others there, too, and (b) they can make more overall money in endorsements there.

But if AD truly cares about winning, which seems like he does, he knows that Boston is his best option both short-and long-term.

That would be a lot more convincing if we had made the finals last season and were in 1st place not 5th this season.  Horford is old.  Hayward's injury recovery is uncertain to get him back to the player he was.  Uncertainty over Kyrie re-signing.

The vast majority of us being in 5th place right now can be explained by developing/regaining chemistry with the introduction of two stars back in the lineup and the injuries we have had thus far, which I think people underappreciate just how many games we've lost of rotation players to injury this year. Since our poor start, we've been an elite team and much closer to what we were expected to be at the start of the season.

Also, there's only "uncertainty" over Kyrie re-signing if you buy the obvious planted "report" from Rich Pau.. err Chris Haynes today. Given his several public commitments to re-signing here and all of his discussion about his future here in Boston, I think it's much more likely that the words from him are truer than an obviously planted "report" from a biased source.

And it's funny that you talk about Al being old when Lebron is 1.5 years older with significantly more miles on his legs than Al, especially given that Lebron is finally starting to show his age now with him suffering the worst injury of his career this year.

Boston is clearly the better option for winning moving forward.