Chris Haynes: There’s a growing belief Kyrie won’t resign in Boston

[jambr380]

would  kyrie for the new york first be enough? probably not.  Zinger?  i could live with another top lottery pick for him.  just keep the focus on tatum time.

New York will save assets for Anthony Davis. They'll have cap to sign Kyrie as an FA if he's interested.

probably correct.. ugh.   danny did all this and i get the feeling the rose rule might ruin it all

Yeah, seriously. The Rose Rule doesn't even make any sense, especially since the cap spike came after these guys signed their contracts.

In addition, if AD isn't traded until this off-season the Rose Rule is going to have ruined two franchises for the remainder of this season (BOS and LAL) as many of these teams' best players will know they are just trade bait when the season ends. I would certainly hate for LAL to land AD before the deadline, but at least our team would be able to focus the rest of this season and DA could try to line up other trade opportunities.

Losing Kyrie would be killer, though (from a loss of value standpoint) - hopefully this report isn't true.

[RJ87]

I think PhoSita nailed it.

The whole paragraph reads: "Regarding team preferences, Boston is not a top target for Davis, sources said. There’s a growing belief of uncertainty that Kyrie Irving will re-sign with Boston, sources said, even though he vowed to do so at the beginning of the season."

So there's 2 things there, both attributed to "sources." Different sources? The same sources? Who knows but it reads to me like the "growing belief of uncertainty ()" is coming from people around Davis, not people connected, in any way, to the Celtics.

Assuming New Orleans doesn't blow this and waits until the offseason to do a deal, by that time the Kyrie thing won't be any issue anymore.

We'll see what AD and Kyrie's conversations at the all star game look like.

I take reports like this with a grain of salt. However, Kyrie and AD are friends off the court. It stands to reason AD might have some insight into Kyrie's thinking.

With that said, I have no idea if he resigns or not.

For sure. But there's basically no chance that Davis is one the "sources" Haynes is talking about.

That's the problem with this kind of reporting. Maybe Anthony Davis' cousin said, "I don't think Kyrie is coming back to Boston next year" and that gets reported as "sources close to Davis yada yada yada." The actual report might not be untrue but what is actually being reported is nothing.

Or more realistically: when Rich Paul asked Davis which teams he'd like to go to so he could give the list to the Pelicans, AD said "Boston? Eh. Kyrie isn't sure he's staying." And Rich Paul feeds that to Chris Haynes.

Again. I'm not saying I buy in to the report, but it doesn't require that much acrobatics.

I don't think that's more realistic. I think if anything had ever actually come out of AD's mouth, the reporting wouldn't be so vague.

It would be. Do you think Kyrie would be happy that it got out that way? Or that AD would be happy that Rich Paul passed along information he got privately to a reporter? Agents play the "sources" to protect themselves and their clients. It's plausible deniability.

[Moranis]

With or without Kyrie, this team is a contender.

When was the last time a team with the talent profile of the Celts minus Kyrie ever made the Finals, let alone came close to winning a title?

Hard to compare this team to anyone directly ... but it would be more along the lines of the 2004 Pistons or 1979 Sonics. A team that wins based on balance.

If Hayward gets back to somewhere near his best, they will have 4 players who are top 10 to top 5 players at their respective positions. Plus Smart and Rozier. That is a very talented basketball team.

There are arguments to be made that Ben Wallace was better than Kyrie Irving is, or at least more impactful.  So I'm not sure I'd buy that that team had the same profile of this team minus Irving.  The Sonics are probably similar as DJ, Sikma, and Williams were all very good, but not great (and they had some nice depth as well) and they were pretty young so similar to the team from last year.   

[Big333223]

I think PhoSita nailed it.

The whole paragraph reads: "Regarding team preferences, Boston is not a top target for Davis, sources said. There’s a growing belief of uncertainty that Kyrie Irving will re-sign with Boston, sources said, even though he vowed to do so at the beginning of the season."

So there's 2 things there, both attributed to "sources." Different sources? The same sources? Who knows but it reads to me like the "growing belief of uncertainty ()" is coming from people around Davis, not people connected, in any way, to the Celtics.

Assuming New Orleans doesn't blow this and waits until the offseason to do a deal, by that time the Kyrie thing won't be any issue anymore.

We'll see what AD and Kyrie's conversations at the all star game look like.

I take reports like this with a grain of salt. However, Kyrie and AD are friends off the court. It stands to reason AD might have some insight into Kyrie's thinking.

With that said, I have no idea if he resigns or not.

For sure. But there's basically no chance that Davis is one the "sources" Haynes is talking about.

That's the problem with this kind of reporting. Maybe Anthony Davis' cousin said, "I don't think Kyrie is coming back to Boston next year" and that gets reported as "sources close to Davis yada yada yada." The actual report might not be untrue but what is actually being reported is nothing.

Or more realistically: when Rich Paul asked Davis which teams he'd like to go to so he could give the list to the Pelicans, AD said "Boston? Eh. Kyrie isn't sure he's staying." And Rich Paul feeds that to Chris Haynes.

Again. I'm not saying I buy in to the report, but it doesn't require that much acrobatics.

I don't think that's more realistic. I think if anything had ever actually come out of AD's mouth, the reporting wouldn't be so vague.

It would be. Do you think Kyrie would be happy that it got out that way? Or that AD would be happy that Rich Paul passed along information he got privately to a reporter? Agents play the "sources" to protect themselves and their clients. It's plausible deniability.

It could've happened, sure. But it's not more likely than someone vaguely connected to AD expressed an opinion and the writer dropped it into his story as something that isn't technically untrue and will get clicks. It happens all the time.

[spikelovetheCelts]

would  kyrie for the new york first be enough? probably not.  Zinger?  i could live with another top lottery pick for him.  just keep the focus on tatum time.

New York will save assets for Anthony Davis. They'll have cap to sign Kyrie as an FA if he's interested.

probably correct.. ugh.   danny did all this and i get the feeling the rose rule might ruin it all

Yeah, seriously. The Rose Rule doesn't even make any sense, especially since the cap spike came after these guys signed their contracts.

In addition, if AD isn't traded until this off-season the Rose Rule is going to have ruined two franchises for the remainder of this season (BOS and LAL) as many of these teams' best players will know they are just trade bait when the season ends. I would certainly hate for LAL to land AD before the deadline, but at least our team would be able to focus the rest of this season and DA could try to line up other trade opportunities.

Losing Kyrie would be killer, though (from a loss of value standpoint) - hopefully this report isn't true.

Danny May Have to send Kyrie to get AD and then NO could KI to LA so he could be back with Lebron. I seriously believe AD will be a Laker when all is said and done. The NBA needs the Lakers to be good.

[KGBirdBias]

I bet this was fed to Haynes by Brons  group. They want the Celtics to panic and possibly make a move with Kyrie, then the Lakers are assured he's not going to Boston.

Boston should trade for him anyway after the season and dare him to leave...see PG13.

The Lakers will have already committed their money so they would be off the table.

[jpotter33]

https://twitter.com/MasonGinsberg/status/1090002860362919936

Lol the Pelicans essentially calling out Rich Paul with this statement.

Yeah, I don’t see them trading AD to LA and Lebron, certainly not at the trade deadline. They made it clear in this statement that they will be trading him for the best package and when they think is appropriate, which is not in the next ten days with Boston unable to be in the mix until summer.

[RJ87]

I think PhoSita nailed it.

The whole paragraph reads: "Regarding team preferences, Boston is not a top target for Davis, sources said. There’s a growing belief of uncertainty that Kyrie Irving will re-sign with Boston, sources said, even though he vowed to do so at the beginning of the season."

So there's 2 things there, both attributed to "sources." Different sources? The same sources? Who knows but it reads to me like the "growing belief of uncertainty ()" is coming from people around Davis, not people connected, in any way, to the Celtics.

Assuming New Orleans doesn't blow this and waits until the offseason to do a deal, by that time the Kyrie thing won't be any issue anymore.

We'll see what AD and Kyrie's conversations at the all star game look like.

I take reports like this with a grain of salt. However, Kyrie and AD are friends off the court. It stands to reason AD might have some insight into Kyrie's thinking.

With that said, I have no idea if he resigns or not.

For sure. But there's basically no chance that Davis is one the "sources" Haynes is talking about.

That's the problem with this kind of reporting. Maybe Anthony Davis' cousin said, "I don't think Kyrie is coming back to Boston next year" and that gets reported as "sources close to Davis yada yada yada." The actual report might not be untrue but what is actually being reported is nothing.

Or more realistically: when Rich Paul asked Davis which teams he'd like to go to so he could give the list to the Pelicans, AD said "Boston? Eh. Kyrie isn't sure he's staying." And Rich Paul feeds that to Chris Haynes.

Again. I'm not saying I buy in to the report, but it doesn't require that much acrobatics.

I don't think that's more realistic. I think if anything had ever actually come out of AD's mouth, the reporting wouldn't be so vague.

It would be. Do you think Kyrie would be happy that it got out that way? Or that AD would be happy that Rich Paul passed along information he got privately to a reporter? Agents play the "sources" to protect themselves and their clients. It's plausible deniability.

It could've happened, sure. But it's not more likely than someone vaguely connected to AD expressed an opinion and the writer dropped it into his story as something that isn't technically untrue and will get clicks. It happens all the time.

Maybe with lower rung writers, but with guys like Woj, Shams, Haynes, Lowe sources are usually agents. Now there may be a motive here because little tidbits in stories like this are typically of the "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" variety.

[gouki88]

https://twitter.com/MasonGinsberg/status/1090002860362919936

Lol the Pelicans essentially calling out Rich Paul with this statement.

Yeah, I don’t see them trading AD to LA and Lebron, certainly not at the trade deadline. They made it clear in this statement that they will be trading him for the best package and when they think is appropriate, which is not in the next ten days with Boston unable to be in the mix until summer.

Lol at the last line

[SparzWizard]

https://twitter.com/MasonGinsberg/status/1090002860362919936

Lol the Pelicans essentially calling out Rich Paul with this statement.

Yeah, I don’t see them trading AD to LA and Lebron, certainly not at the trade deadline. They made it clear in this statement that they will be trading him for the best package and when they think is appropriate, which is not in the next ten days with Boston unable to be in the mix until summer.

So they won't take a package of Ball, Kuzma, Hart, Ingram, KCP, and draft pick after all

[jpotter33]

https://twitter.com/MasonGinsberg/status/1090002860362919936

Lol the Pelicans essentially calling out Rich Paul with this statement.

Yeah, I don’t see them trading AD to LA and Lebron, certainly not at the trade deadline. They made it clear in this statement that they will be trading him for the best package and when they think is appropriate, which is not in the next ten days with Boston unable to be in the mix until summer.

Especially after this statement, if people aren’t recognizing all of today’s events as several pieces in Rich Paul’s and Lebron’s larger puzzle, then I’m not sure what to tell you.

[Donoghus]

https://twitter.com/MasonGinsberg/status/1090002860362919936

Lol the Pelicans essentially calling out Rich Paul with this statement.

Yeah, I don’t see them trading AD to LA and Lebron, certainly not at the trade deadline. They made it clear in this statement that they will be trading him for the best package and when they think is appropriate, which is not in the next ten days with Boston unable to be in the mix until summer.

So they won't take a package of Ball, Kuzma, Hart, Ingram, KCP, and draft pick after all

Yeah, good luck getting the league to "strictly" enforce the tampering rules when you have marquee franchises & players involved.

[bknova]

This thread is going to be worth revisiting in July, no matter how this all plays out.

And the team who gets the number 1 pick in the draft will have as good a chance as any to make a strong push at getting AD. Zion is really starting to look like the second coming of Charles Barkley. 

[RJ87]

https://twitter.com/MasonGinsberg/status/1090002860362919936

Lol the Pelicans essentially calling out Rich Paul with this statement.

Yeah, I don’t see them trading AD to LA and Lebron, certainly not at the trade deadline. They made it clear in this statement that they will be trading him for the best package and when they think is appropriate, which is not in the next ten days with Boston unable to be in the mix until summer.

Especially after this statement, if people aren’t recognizing all of today’s events as several pieces in Rich Paul’s and Lebron’s larger puzzle, then I’m not sure what to tell you.

Zach Lowe brings up a good point. Why did they say "transaction" instead of "situation" or something similar?

[CelticsElite]

https://twitter.com/MasonGinsberg/status/1090002860362919936

Lol the Pelicans essentially calling out Rich Paul with this statement.

Yeah, I don’t see them trading AD to LA and Lebron, certainly not at the trade deadline. They made it clear in this statement that they will be trading him for the best package and when they think is appropriate, which is not in the next ten days with Boston unable to be in the mix until summer.

Especially after this statement, if people aren’t recognizing all of today’s events as several pieces in Rich Paul’s and Lebron’s larger puzzle, then I’m not sure what to tell you.

Zach Lowe brings up a good point. Why did they say "transaction" instead of "situation" or something similar?

maybe the team just has really poor writers