2013 CB Draft : Draft Thread : VOTING ENDS 8:00PM EST TONIGHT

[rondoallaturca]

Glancing through the rosters so far, here's the list of the most outstanding teams in the East so far...

Cleveland: Great balance throughout the roster. Defense will be solid, and they're doing a great job filling out the roster with competent scorers. Lawson's a super underrated PG, and there's not much to complain about at all.

Detroit: TOTF frontrunner for me. Philly's looking solid but I like the prospect's of Detroit's youngsters way more. They also complement each other a lot better than Philly's.

Milwaukee: This is actually a team that has potential to make a lot of noise despite not carrying any big names. It's got a lot of balance similar to Cleveland, and Okafor still quietly remains one of the better defending and rebounding centers in the league.

Miami: Nash is over the hill but still remains a shrewd playmaker. Hayward and Parsons are two very versatile wing players, while Smith and Bosh form just as dynamic of a frontcourt. Having conceded the limelight to Lebron and Wade, Bosh is also easily forgotten as a legitimate star talent. This can definitely shape up into a very dangerous team.

Washington: I dislike Harris at SF, nor his draft position, but this team nails everything else. Wall/Klay is a killer backcourt, with both guys's skill set complementing each others' perfectly. Amir/Noah forms just as deadly of a frontcourt, and they have to be one of the toughest defensive frontcourts in the league. The amount of energy and passion those two will bring is immeasurable. Especially considering Washington was picking from the last spot in the first round, this is a mighty impressive roster.

I'll do the West tomorrow.

[The Walker Wiggle]

ONE SEASON AGO, twenty-four year old Kevin Love was the consensus top power forward in the NBA, averaging 26 PPG (4th in the NBA) on 44.8 FG%, 13.3 RPG (2nd), and 8.4 FTA per game (4th) on 82.4 FT%, while also hitting 37.2% of his three pointers.

Shinanigans. Show me my ballot. My vote counts 5 times.

If you're already hanging around posting pictures from the Kanter family album at 1 am (I did enjoy that snap.) you couldn't take care of this nonsense for me? I've got to come here and do it myself? Don't act like I haven't done for you.

Okay, Kevin Love was recognized by both ESPN and SI as the top power forward in the NBA. Among power forwards he ranked 1st in Points, 1st in Rebounds both offensive and defensive, 1st in FT attempted and made, 1st in Efficiency. This was 11-12 and the kid is still only twenty-four years old.

So who'd you have IP?

And follow up question, when can I reasonably expect Paul George to lead the NBA in anything?

[Roy H.]

If healthy, Love > George.

For once I agree that one of WW's guys is being underrated.

[The Walker Wiggle]

Paul George is still the best player on either of the teams.  Granger is a bit closer (but gets docked for injuries).  I refuse to give a pass to players with his injury history.

Second, I'm well aware Kane is pushing for the 32 year old Danny Granger's medical retirement. (Pssst, he's not 32.) But what injury "history?" Here are Granger's season totals.

78, 82, 80, 67, 62, 79, 62, 5.

He came in 12-13 season, averaging 72 games a year. Mike Conley averages 73 games per season, Okafor 65 games per season, Redick 60 games per season.

Granger's knees are a pretty decent concern though, aren't they?

I don't wanna do legwork (seewhatIdidthereHaHa) but Im pretty sure the ambiguous nature of his actual condition is fairly easily accessible. A 34 year old with degenerative knees is, as the crossover sensation Bonnie Rait would note, somethin' to talk about.

Well how optimistic are you that your shooting guard, Eric Gordon can recover from his degenerative knee condition? Wade has been managing his degenerative knee condition with impressive results thus far and he's 42.

[The Walker Wiggle]

Also I think the Bonnie Raitt song that's apropos here is "I Can't Make You Love Me."

[indeedproceed]

ONE SEASON AGO, twenty-four year old Kevin Love was the consensus top power forward in the NBA, averaging 26 PPG (4th in the NBA) on 44.8 FG%, 13.3 RPG (2nd), and 8.4 FTA per game (4th) on 82.4 FT%, while also hitting 37.2% of his three pointers.

Shinanigans. Show me my ballot. My vote counts 5 times.

If you're already hanging around posting pictures from the Kanter family album at 1 am (I did enjoy that snap.) you couldn't take care of this nonsense for me? I've got to come here and do it myself? Don't act like I haven't done for you.

Okay, Kevin Love was recognized by both ESPN and SI as the top power forward in the NBA. Among power forwards he ranked 1st in Points, 1st in Rebounds both offensive and defensive, 1st in FT attempted and made, 1st in Efficiency. This was 11-12 and the kid is still only twenty-four years old.

So who'd you have IP?

And follow up question, when can I reasonably expect Paul George to lead the NBA in anything?

Naw Im just giving you crap. Love was last season the consensus, although I personally think that his second season ending injury in as many years is a mitigating factor in giving him the honor again. The honorific was given on credit somewhat, and he's used that up for me.

But then there really aren't that many traditional 4s left. LMA is probably the one I feel best about, but his impact isn't as pronounced as Love's statistically. Lebron, Melo etc, but that's not really the point.

George's playoffs should weigh in his favor when considering him (as should Hibberts, which also..anyone seen that guy? Looks like the Big Show's Edited for profanity.  Please do not do it again. child with Shawn kemp. The guy got JACKED this summer), his regular season leaves a lot to be desired offensively. But that has a lot to do with volume in his first season as a #1 option. Id expect better next season.

[indeedproceed]

Paul George is still the best player on either of the teams.  Granger is a bit closer (but gets docked for injuries).  I refuse to give a pass to players with his injury history.

Second, I'm well aware Kane is pushing for the 32 year old Danny Granger's medical retirement. (Pssst, he's not 32.) But what injury "history?" Here are Granger's season totals.

78, 82, 80, 67, 62, 79, 62, 5.

He came in 12-13 season, averaging 72 games a year. Mike Conley averages 73 games per season, Okafor 65 games per season, Redick 60 games per season.

Granger's knees are a pretty decent concern though, aren't they?

I don't wanna do legwork (seewhatIdidthereHaHa) but Im pretty sure the ambiguous nature of his actual condition is fairly easily accessible. A 34 year old with degenerative knees is, as the crossover sensation Bonnie Rait would note, somethin' to talk about.

Well how optimistic are you that your shooting guard, Eric Gordon can recover from his degenerative knee condition? Wade has been managing his degenerative knee condition with impressive results thus far and he's 42.

Very actually. I always assumed Eric Gordon's season in 11-12 died of a broken heart.

[indeedproceed]

Also I think the Bonnie Raitt song that's apropos here is "I Can't Make You Love Me."

I lost it about here. Nicely played. Cuz there just aren't enough Bonnie Rait jokes anymore.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

On an night when my colds are trying to help me stay awake, I gotta say this has been pretty entertaining.

And for what it's worth, I'd take Love over George too, any day.

[The Walker Wiggle]

Anderson pretty much stretches the floor and it's valuable but Lee can play both low and high post. Not many players can consistently do that. He led the league in double doubles also. He's a machine in that department.

I think you're interpreting win shares incorrectly there. Lee has historically played WAYY more minutes. That's part of his appeal. But Anderson's ws/48 is higher for a reason. That 'stretching the floor' ability is critical. It affects the entire offense. Hollinger called him the 'mini Dirk' for a reason. And while Anderson's fg% is lower, his ability to shoot a high volume of 3s at an efficient rate is something not a lot of guys in the NBA can do. He takes a vital post defender out of the paint, or he probably drills a 3.

David Lee is the more valuable player because he can be a second option on a pretty good but not great team. But as a 3rd or 4th option, Id rather have Anderson because he makes my more primary scorers more efficient. Lee does that, but not to the degree Anderson does.

So you're starting a team. Who you taking? Lee or Ryan?

Depends on the rest of the team, but generally speaking Anderson, because he's 'cheaper'. Lee will run you a top 2 rounds selection. Anderson is a 3rd round pick at best.

Okay, not making it all about the Spurs. IP makes a shrewd point, but he got the answer wrong. It's David Lee in the 2nd round or Ersan Ilyasova in the 3rd. It's never Ryan Anderson. What is the CB fascination with that guy anyway?

18.8 PTS/36 54.8 TS% 38.2 3PT% 7.5 REB/36 0.6 STL/36 112 DRtg Ryan Anderson
17.2 PTS/36 55.2 TS% 44.4 3PT% 9.3 REB/36 1.2 STL/36 104 DRtg Ersan Ilyasova

[indeedproceed]

Ersan is suffering from 'IP Fatigue'. It's a sadly chronic case, as I believed in the guy a while year earlier than he warranted.

But Ryan Anderson is still underrated, despite the 'IP Bump'

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Ersan is suffering from 'IP Fatigue'. It's a sadly chronic case, as I believed in the guy a while year earlier than he warranted.

But Ryan Anderson is still underrated, despite the 'IP Bump'

I'd love to see them defend Monroe in the post.

[indeedproceed]

Ersan is suffering from 'IP Fatigue'. It's a sadly chronic case, as I believed in the guy a while year earlier than he warranted.

But Ryan Anderson is still underrated, despite the 'IP Bump'

I'd love to see them defend Monroe in the post.

Well, neither guy is a true center like Monroe. I imagine that Monroe as a true center would have a tough time defending them on the perimeter.

[The Walker Wiggle]

Naw Im just giving you crap. Love was last season the consensus, although I personally think that his second season ending injury in as many years is a mitigating factor in giving him the honor again. The honorific was given on credit somewhat, and he's used that up for me.

But then there really aren't that many traditional 4s left. LMA is probably the one I feel best about, but his impact isn't as pronounced as Love's statistically. Lebron, Melo etc, but that's not really the point.

George's playoffs should weigh in his favor when considering him (as should Hibberts, which also..anyone seen that guy? Looks like the Big Show's **** child with Shawn kemp. The guy got JACKED this summer), his regular season leaves a lot to be desired offensively. But that has a lot to do with volume in his first season as a #1 option. Id expect better next season.

Okay, sure, pencil Paul in for his post-season averages of 19.2 ppg on 43 FG%. Paul George is a great player. Pick whatever splits you want, home, post-All Star, he's still not within spitting distance of Love's output or efficiency.

And just so I'm clear?

Eric Gordon 78, 62, 56, 9, 42. There's cause for optimism.
Kevin Love 81, 60, 73, 55, 18. You're skeptical.

Greg Oden 61, 21. He was just unlucky.
Danny Granger 78, 82, 80, 67, 62, 79, 62, 5. You're concerned.

[Kane3387]

Paul George is still the best player on either of the teams.  Granger is a bit closer (but gets docked for injuries).  I refuse to give a pass to players with his injury history.

Second, I'm well aware Kane is pushing for the 32 year old Danny Granger's medical retirement. (Pssst, he's not 32.) But what injury "history?" Here are Granger's season totals.

78, 82, 80, 67, 62, 79, 62, 5.

He came in 12-13 season, averaging 72 games a year. He's not A.C. Green, but he's also not Andrew Bynum. Mike Conley averages 73 games per season, Okafor 65 games per season, Redick 60 games per season.

Lol I told you dawg, I was gonna look at him with the next pick I had. I know you love to hate the warriors and all but keep it civil with me wiggle. I still got love for you bc besides me you were the only one that voted Boston over Chi Town last year. I appreciated the love and I appreciate your spurs. They're just not on golden states level presently big guy  .