2013 CB Draft : Draft Thread : VOTING ENDS 8:00PM EST TONIGHT

[McHales Pits]

Riding passenger for a while... comments on Cleveland will earn comments on your team.

PG: Ty Lawson / [Crawford]
SG: Tony Allen / Jamal Crawford
SF: __________ / [Allen]
PF: Al Horford / __________
C: Kevin Garnett / [Horford]

I commented on your team this morning saying how much I liked it. Great defensive/passing/intelligent/complementary front court. Spark plug PG and ultimate defensive stopper backcourt. Today's selection was a great complement to Allen's game. One SG is all D, the other all-O. Could be played together if Allen is guarding SF position. Love your team.

[AB_Celtic]

Riding passenger for a while... comments on Cleveland will earn comments on your team.

PG: Ty Lawson / [Crawford]
SG: Tony Allen / Jamal Crawford
SF: __________ / [Allen]
PF: Al Horford / __________
C: Kevin Garnett / [Horford]

I commented on your team this morning saying how much I liked it. Great defensive/passing/intelligent/complementary front court. Spark plug PG and ultimate defensive stopper backcourt. Today's selection was a great complement to Allen's game. One SG is all D, the other all-O. Could be played together if Allen is guarding SF position. Love your team.

Thanks for the praise, and we're absolutely planning on Lawson-Crawford-Allen-Horford-Garnett playing time. However, we want to keep Craw coming off the bench; he's obviously best there. So for now, TA won't start at SF.

As for your team, I think you've surrounded Lebron extremely well. Ibaka and Monta are great fits, and Bradley and Jordan keep the defense strong. Excellent defensive team with athleticism and intelligence all around. Definitely target a longer guard to come off the bench, but other than that you're looking good.

[KGs Knee]

Seeing as how the 1st round is over and most teams have a starting 5 filed out (or a "top 5" at least), I'll do a preliminary ranking of playoff teams soon.

I'd be interested to see others', but much can still change, obviously.

[ronaldo943]

I'd have it slightly differently


Lee > Anderson

Just saw this and it's not close especially head 2 head.

This season:
Game 1
David Lee 26 points 9 rebs 37 mins .625 FG%
Ryan Anderson 28 points 0 rebs 40 mins .364 FG%

Game 2
David Lee 20 points 11 rebs 29 mins .778 FG%
Ryan Anderson 21 points 9 rebs 28 mins .368 FG%

Game 3
David Lee 23 points 16 rebs 37 mins .600 FG%
Ryan Anderson 3 points 5 rebs 20 mins .125 FG%

David Lee is so underrated by people in this blog you would think it was his name.

[AB_Celtic]

David Lee is not underrated. He's just a lot worse than LaMarcus Aldridge.

[KGs Knee]

I'd have it slightly differently


Lee > Anderson

Just saw this and it's not close especially head 2 head.

This season:
Game 1
David Lee 26 points 9 rebs 37 mins .625 FG%
Ryan Anderson 28 points 0 rebs 40 mins .364 FG%

Game 2
David Lee 20 points 11 rebs 29 mins .778 FG%
Ryan Anderson 21 points 9 rebs 28 mins .368 FG%

Game 3
David Lee 23 points 16 rebs 37 mins .600 FG%
Ryan Anderson 3 points 5 rebs 20 mins .125 FG%

David Lee is so underrated by people in this blog you would think it was his name.

Well, in 2 of those games Anderson outscored Lee.

I'm not saying Anderson is the better player, but it's much closer than you, and some others, think.

[ronaldo943]

David Lee is not underrated. He's just a lot worse than LaMarcus Aldridge.

He's a lot worse based on what? Based on the fact that Lamarcus got drafted 1st and Lee 3rd in a CB Draft? Last time I checked Lee was the one who made the ALL-NBA 3rd Team. Head2Head these guys are pretty much identical.

Now I'm not saying Lee is better, but to say he is a lot worse is false.

[Kane3387]

I'd have it slightly differently


Lee > Anderson

Just saw this and it's not close especially head 2 head.

This season:
Game 1
David Lee 26 points 9 rebs 37 mins .625 FG%
Ryan Anderson 28 points 0 rebs 40 mins .364 FG%

Game 2
David Lee 20 points 11 rebs 29 mins .778 FG%
Ryan Anderson 21 points 9 rebs 28 mins .368 FG%

Game 3
David Lee 23 points 16 rebs 37 mins .600 FG%
Ryan Anderson 3 points 5 rebs 20 mins .125 FG%

David Lee is so underrated by people in this blog you would think it was his name.

I am a Lee fan. It's why I drafted him, but I also think when the coaches vote you to the All-Star game in both conferences it says a lot. Anderson can shoot, but he is not the all around player David Lee is. He is an underrated passer also.

Anderson pretty much stretches the floor and it's valuable but Lee can play both low and high post. Not many players can consistently do that. He led the league in double doubles also. He's a machine in that department.

David Lee pretty much outplays him every time H2H.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=leeda02&p2=anderry01

His win share is double that of Anderson. He wins in almost all the metrics.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=leeda02&y1=2013&p2=anderry01&y2=2013

[ronaldo943]

Well, in 2 of those games Anderson outscored Lee.

I'm not saying Anderson is the better player, but it's much closer than you, and some others, think.

You're right he did outscore him, but did you see his FG% though.

Game 1: Outscored Lee by 2, but had to take 6 more shots.
Game 2: Outscored Lee by 1, but had to take 10 more shots.

I mean he took 16 more shots just to score 3 more points. He got outrebounded 20-9 and Lee had 8 assists while he only had 1.


And by the way I really do like your team KGs Knees, but I don't agree with Anderson being close to Lee.

[indeedproceed]

David Lee is not underrated. He's just a lot worse than LaMarcus Aldridge.

Fact. David Lee is a workhorse, a kind of rich man's Kris Humphries. Well, that's insulting to David Lee. He's a better version of pre-Kim Kris Humphries.

He's a hustle monster, a leader, and he's got a nifty jumper, but he's a bit of a liability defensively. He gets overpowered by 5s on defense, and out-quicked by 4s. The inverse is true for him on offense; he scores by being faster than 5s and quicker than 4s. He's a guy who you can rely on for 34 minutes 18 points and 10 boards of production. He's a nice player, a good option as a starter.

[McHales Pits]

Riding passenger for a while... comments on Cleveland will earn comments on your team.

PG: Ty Lawson / [Crawford]
SG: Tony Allen / Jamal Crawford
SF: __________ / [Allen]
PF: Al Horford / __________
C: Kevin Garnett / [Horford]

I commented on your team this morning saying how much I liked it. Great defensive/passing/intelligent/complementary front court. Spark plug PG and ultimate defensive stopper backcourt. Today's selection was a great complement to Allen's game. One SG is all D, the other all-O. Could be played together if Allen is guarding SF position. Love your team.

Thanks for the praise, and we're absolutely planning on Lawson-Crawford-Allen-Horford-Garnett playing time. However, we want to keep Craw coming off the bench; he's obviously best there. So for now, TA won't start at SF.

As for your team, I think you've surrounded Lebron extremely well. Ibaka and Monta are great fits, and Bradley and Jordan keep the defense strong. Excellent defensive team with athleticism and intelligence all around. Definitely target a longer guard to come off the bench, but other than that you're looking good.

Thanks. Like I was saying before, I was targeting Thabo for his length, 3s, and defense. When I couldn't get him, I figured Bradley was a good choice to really lock down the smaller guards of the league. I know the skills/positions I need to fill and I have numerous options for those - just depends on how they come off the board. I've got 6.24, 7.25, and 8.1 coming up early next week. Those back to back picks will be great for nailing down two players I need.

[KGs Knee]

Well, in 2 of those games Anderson outscored Lee.

I'm not saying Anderson is the better player, but it's much closer than you, and some others, think.

You're right he did outscore him, but did you see his FG% though.

Game 1: Outscored Lee by 2, but had to take 6 more shots.
Game 2: Outscored Lee by 1, but had to take 10 more shots.

I mean he took 16 more shots just to score 3 more points. He got outrebounded 20-9 and Lee had 8 assists while he only had 1.

Yes, Lee had a much better overall FG%.  Lee's 2pt FG % was not as greatly better, though.  Anderson took, and missed a large number of three's against GS in just about every game they played.  Part of that is being one of the few offensive weapons a bad New Orleans team had.

Ryno will not be a top 3 option on my team.  He'll  be taking wide open shots almost primarily (as a 4th or 5th option).  Totally different.

Lee is a better player, neither player is likely stopping the other from scoring though.

[indeedproceed]

Anderson pretty much stretches the floor and it's valuable but Lee can play both low and high post. Not many players can consistently do that. He led the league in double doubles also. He's a machine in that department.

I think you're interpreting win shares incorrectly there. Lee has historically played WAYY more minutes. That's part of his appeal. But Anderson's ws/48 is higher for a reason. That 'stretching the floor' ability is critical. It affects the entire offense. Hollinger called him the 'mini Dirk' for a reason. And while Anderson's fg% is lower, his ability to shoot a high volume of 3s at an efficient rate is something not a lot of guys in the NBA can do. He takes a vital post defender out of the paint, or he probably drills a 3.

David Lee is the more valuable player because he can be a second option on a pretty good but not great team. But as a 3rd or 4th option, Id rather have Anderson because he makes my more primary scorers more efficient. Lee does that, but not to the degree Anderson does.

[McHales Pits]

Well, in 2 of those games Anderson outscored Lee.

I'm not saying Anderson is the better player, but it's much closer than you, and some others, think.

You're right he did outscore him, but did you see his FG% though.

Game 1: Outscored Lee by 2, but had to take 6 more shots.
Game 2: Outscored Lee by 1, but had to take 10 more shots.

I mean he took 16 more shots just to score 3 more points. He got outrebounded 20-9 and Lee had 8 assists while he only had 1.

Yes, Lee had a much better overall FG%.  Lee's 2pt FG % was not much different, though.  Anderson took, and missed a large number of three's against GS in just about every game they played.  Part of that is being one of the few offensive weapons a bad New Orleans team had.

Ryno will not be a top 3 option on my team.  He'll  be taking wide open shots almost primarily (as a 4th or 5th option).  Totally different.

Lee is a better player, neither player is likely stopping the other from scoring though.
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I love Lee and Anderson, but for different reasons. They are polar opposites as players. The problem I have is that...

Lee is an incredible rebounder and possesses great post moves (but limited shooting range and D) When GS traded him, they should have targeted a team who needed a big and acquired a guard (cough Brooklyn) because Randolph and Lee replicate eachothers skill sets, but both command starters minutes (not happening with Hibbert locking down C). Lee's ideal front court partner would be a defensive big man with a mid range shot. Chandler and Lee crowd each other whereas Chandler and LA were perfect together.

Anderson is slightly inefficient, but big men with complete range are valuable and he is an underrated rebounder. His ideal partner would be a defensive minded big who plays close to the basket ie Emeka.

[The Walker Wiggle]

I also think if Z-Bo was younger it would be a much bigger difference. Not just because of maturity but because at 25-28 years old (or younger), Z-Bo's own ambition to prove himself in the league would be too much for him to accept a 6th man role over a lengthily period of time.

But at 32 years of age, having a taste of the playoffs, having real major talents around him that give him a chance at winning + with no loss to pay-packet ... I believe Z-Bo accepts that bench role.

Thirty-two, not thirty-six, and with no serious injury history to contend with. Here's the thing, give me an example of a career starter, 32-33 or younger, coming on an All-Star appearance not sn injury and accepting a bench role behind a peer player?

Otherwise, you're arguing for a first time occurrence, and you've pegged that on Z-Bo.