2013 CB Draft : Draft Thread : VOTING ENDS 8:00PM EST TONIGHT

[KGs Knee]

Emeka Okafor

Defense: Pts per 100  Poss: 103.41--ON  105.2--OFF  -1.7--NET
Effective FG% Allowed:  48.4%--ON  48.2%--OFF  +0.2%--NET

Offensive Rebounding:  27.6%--ON  26.0%-OFF  +1.6%--NET
Defensive Rebounding:  72.5%--ON  71.1%--OFF  +1.4%-NET
Total Rebounding:  50.0%--ON  48.5%--OFF  +1.5%--NET

Defensive wins shares:  3.7
Defensive rating:  99

Tyson Chandler

Defense: Pts per 100 Poss:  107.4--ON  107.2--OFF  +0.2-NET
Effective FG% Allowed:  51.3%-ON  50.2%-OFF  +1.1%-NET

Offensive Rebounding:  30.3%--ON  24.7%--OFF  +5.6%--NET
Defensive Rebounding:  73.1%--ON  70.5%--OFF  +2.6%--NET
Total Rebounding:  51.7%--ON  47.6%--OFF  +4.1%--NET

Defensive win shares:  2.6
Defensive rating:  104


This ignores Chandler's noticeably better offensive numbers, but wanted to point out that last year Okafor had the better defensive numbers.

[indeedproceed]

What's the synergy stats look like?

[Gomesfan]

Who's trading?

[Kane3387]

I also think if Z-Bo was younger it would be a much bigger difference. Not just because of maturity but because at 25-28 years old (or younger), Z-Bo's own ambition to prove himself in the league would be too much for him to accept a 6th man role over a lengthily period of time.

But at 32 years of age, having a taste of the playoffs, having real major talents around him that give him a chance at winning + with no loss to pay-packet ... I believe Z-Bo accepts that bench role.

Thirty-two, not thirty-six, and with no serious injury history to contend with. Here's the thing, give me an example of a career starter, 32-33 or younger, coming on an All-Star appearance not sn injury and accepting a bench role behind a peer player?

Otherwise, you're arguing for a first time occurrence, and you've pegged that on Z-Bo.

How often does a team have the assets, payroll, or means to pull this off tho? There's a reason this is a fantasy exercise. It's not realistic to have a situation in this in the NBA. Tell me a time where another team acquired an all star that plays the same position as their all star and then they asked their original all star to take a seat for the newly acquired all star?

[KCattheStripe]

Guys, Miami is coming for ya.

[Kane3387]

Anderson pretty much stretches the floor and it's valuable but Lee can play both low and high post. Not many players can consistently do that. He led the league in double doubles also. He's a machine in that department.

I think you're interpreting win shares incorrectly there. Lee has historically played WAYY more minutes. That's part of his appeal. But Anderson's ws/48 is higher for a reason. That 'stretching the floor' ability is critical. It affects the entire offense. Hollinger called him the 'mini Dirk' for a reason. And while Anderson's fg% is lower, his ability to shoot a high volume of 3s at an efficient rate is something not a lot of guys in the NBA can do. He takes a vital post defender out of the paint, or he probably drills a 3.

David Lee is the more valuable player because he can be a second option on a pretty good but not great team. But as a 3rd or 4th option, Id rather have Anderson because he makes my more primary scorers more efficient. Lee does that, but not to the degree Anderson does.

So you're starting a team. Who you taking? Lee or Ryan?

[KGs Knee]

Anderson pretty much stretches the floor and it's valuable but Lee can play both low and high post. Not many players can consistently do that. He led the league in double doubles also. He's a machine in that department.

I think you're interpreting win shares incorrectly there. Lee has historically played WAYY more minutes. That's part of his appeal. But Anderson's ws/48 is higher for a reason. That 'stretching the floor' ability is critical. It affects the entire offense. Hollinger called him the 'mini Dirk' for a reason. And while Anderson's fg% is lower, his ability to shoot a high volume of 3s at an efficient rate is something not a lot of guys in the NBA can do. He takes a vital post defender out of the paint, or he probably drills a 3.

David Lee is the more valuable player because he can be a second option on a pretty good but not great team. But as a 3rd or 4th option, Id rather have Anderson because he makes my more primary scorers more efficient. Lee does that, but not to the degree Anderson does.

So you're starting a team. Who you taking? Lee or Ryan?

Neither.

[The Walker Wiggle]

I also think if Z-Bo was younger it would be a much bigger difference. Not just because of maturity but because at 25-28 years old (or younger), Z-Bo's own ambition to prove himself in the league would be too much for him to accept a 6th man role over a lengthily period of time.

But at 32 years of age, having a taste of the playoffs, having real major talents around him that give him a chance at winning + with no loss to pay-packet ... I believe Z-Bo accepts that bench role.

Thirty-two, not thirty-six, and with no serious injury history to contend with. Here's the thing, give me an example of a career starter, 32-33 or younger, coming on an All-Star appearance not sn injury and accepting a bench role behind a peer player?

Otherwise, you're arguing for a first time occurrence, and you've pegged that on Z-Bo.

How often does a team have the assets, payroll, or means to pull this off tho? There's a reason this is a fantasy exercise. It's not realistic to have a situation in this in the NBA. Tell me a time where another team acquired an all star that plays the same position as their all star and then they asked their original all star to take a seat for the newly acquired all star?

Uh, maybe it's the late hour, but I'm reading the above as hurting your case.

[rondoallaturca]

Missed the entire draft today but round 5 proved to be very solid. Outside of a few select picks, most of them came with great value. Unbelievably, 4 of the top names on our list all fell immediately before our pick (Martin, Young, Johnson, Marion), which really sucked beyond belief, but my awesome co-GM went ahead with the awesome pick of Jared Dudley, even though we hadn't discussed him at all prior.

Lakers shopping their 7th, and we'll take offers on anybody outside of Dirk/Marc.

[indeedproceed]

Anderson pretty much stretches the floor and it's valuable but Lee can play both low and high post. Not many players can consistently do that. He led the league in double doubles also. He's a machine in that department.

I think you're interpreting win shares incorrectly there. Lee has historically played WAYY more minutes. That's part of his appeal. But Anderson's ws/48 is higher for a reason. That 'stretching the floor' ability is critical. It affects the entire offense. Hollinger called him the 'mini Dirk' for a reason. And while Anderson's fg% is lower, his ability to shoot a high volume of 3s at an efficient rate is something not a lot of guys in the NBA can do. He takes a vital post defender out of the paint, or he probably drills a 3.

David Lee is the more valuable player because he can be a second option on a pretty good but not great team. But as a 3rd or 4th option, Id rather have Anderson because he makes my more primary scorers more efficient. Lee does that, but not to the degree Anderson does.

So you're starting a team. Who you taking? Lee or Ryan?

Depends on the rest of the team, but generally speaking Anderson, because he's 'cheaper'. Lee will run you a top 2 rounds selection. Anderson is a 3rd round pick at best.

[The Walker Wiggle]

Paul George is still the best player on either of the teams.  Granger is a bit closer (but gets docked for injuries).  I refuse to give a pass to players with his injury history.

Okay, so firstly, I'm clearly being held back by how short some of the memories are around here. Paul George isn't even on the same tier as Kevin Love.

ONE SEASON AGO, Kevin Love was the consensus top power forward in the NBA, averaging 26 PPG (4th in the NBA) on 44.8 FG%, 13.3 RPG (2nd), and 8.4 FTA per game (4th) on 82.4 FT%, while also hitting 37.2% of his three pointers.

Paul George in his career best season finished 3rd in Defensive Rating, eighth in the league in steals (1.8 ) and outside the top 20 in every other category. 17.4 points on 41.9 FG%

[indeedproceed]

Just so you guys know, Karl Malone took Enes Kanter fishing, and helped the 21 year old boundless prospect catch his first fish.

[indeedproceed]

ONE SEASON AGO, twenty-four year old Kevin Love was the consensus top power forward in the NBA, averaging 26 PPG (4th in the NBA) on 44.8 FG%, 13.3 RPG (2nd), and 8.4 FTA per game (4th) on 82.4 FT%, while also hitting 37.2% of his three pointers.

Shinanigans. Show me my ballot. My vote counts 5 times.

[The Walker Wiggle]

Paul George is still the best player on either of the teams.  Granger is a bit closer (but gets docked for injuries).  I refuse to give a pass to players with his injury history.

Second, I'm well aware Kane is pushing for the 32 year old Danny Granger's medical retirement. (Pssst, he's not 32.) But what injury "history?" Here are Granger's season totals.

78, 82, 80, 67, 62, 79, 62, 5.

He came in 12-13 season, averaging 72 games a year. He's not A.C. Green, but he's also not Andrew Bynum. Mike Conley averages 73 games per season, Okafor 65 games per season, Redick 60 games per season.

[indeedproceed]

Paul George is still the best player on either of the teams.  Granger is a bit closer (but gets docked for injuries).  I refuse to give a pass to players with his injury history.

Second, I'm well aware Kane is pushing for the 32 year old Danny Granger's medical retirement. (Pssst, he's not 32.) But what injury "history?" Here are Granger's season totals.

78, 82, 80, 67, 62, 79, 62, 5.

He came in 12-13 season, averaging 72 games a year. Mike Conley averages 73 games per season, Okafor 65 games per season, Redick 60 games per season.

Granger's knees are a pretty decent concern though, aren't they?

I don't wanna do legwork (seewhatIdidthereHaHa) but Im pretty sure the ambiguous nature of his actual condition is fairly easily accessible. A 34 year old with degenerative knees is, as the crossover sensation Bonnie Rait would note, somethin' to talk about.