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Best 2016 draft options for Celtics (in the top 10)
« on: February 18, 2016, 08:27:05 PM »

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1. Ben Simmons  - 6'10 SF/PF with pg level handles/passing skills.  Very good rebounder. High IQ.  Too unselfish.  Inconsistent shooter.  Unable/not confident to shoot 3's (3 attempts all year long. 1 for 3).  Has to keep improving shooting to take it to the next level
High end comparison - A bit of Lebron A bit of Magic 
Low end comparison - Lamar Odom

2. Brandon Ingram - 6'10 SF/PF with a very good shooting touch.  Fairly quick shooting mechanic and can shoot over people.  Capable handles for size and willing passer.  Very good 3 pt shooter that can shoot with a hand in face.   Good effort on both ends.  Rain thin.  Position less defensively at this time. Likely won't be able to guard sfs at the nba level (long strides, not quick laterally). Has to keep gaining strength/improve conditioning
High end comparison - Dirk Nowitzki with a touch of Jabari Parker
Low end comparison -  Channing Frye

3. Buddy Hield - 6'4 SG/PG with unlimited range.  Hair trigger shooter that can shoot the 3 anywhere from the court.  Can score anywhere from the court.   Underrated handles and passing skills.  Can play the point position. Chiselled body, explosive. Good rebounder for a guard.  Good effort on the defensive end.   Is a senior.  Is he for real or just bullying younger players??   
High end comparison - James Harden with a touch of C.J. McCollum
Low end comparison - Gerald Henderson

4. Henry Ellenson - 6'10 pf/c with inside/outside offensive skills and strong shot blocking capability on the defensive end.  Just pure energy, effort and hustle.  Nice hook shot that is hard to block.  Near auto 15-17 ft jump shot. Good handles and passing skills for size.  Wide shoulders/good standing reach , good timing makes him an above average shot blocker.   Good leadership qualities.  Could be a better rebounder.  Slow and lacks explosiveness.  Too wild sometimes.   Needs to keep improving conditioning, become a better rebounder, play with better control at times.
High end comparison -  Marc Gasol
Low end comparison - Big country

5. Kris Dunn - 6'3 pg with handles/explosiveness to get into the paint at will.  Has improved 3 point shooting.  Good finisher around the rim.  Some highlight reel dunks.  Good passer but not willing at times. A thief on the defensive end. High turnover numbers.  Not an efficient scorer at this time.  Needs to cut down turning over the ball. Needs to become a more willing passer.
High end comparison - Damian Lillard
Low end comparison -  Jeff Teague

6. Tim Luwawu - 6'7 sf/sg with high level potential.  Sure ball handler and good passing skills.  Improved jump shooter all the way out to the 3 pt line. Drive stop and pop.  Explosive with 7'2 wingspan. Highlight reel dunks.  Acrobatic finisher.  Indecisive.  Shot needs to keep improving.  Defensive awareness needs to improve. Only 195 pounds and needs to keep adding strength.
High end comparison - Paul George
low end comparison - Nicolas Batum


Not good options (no particular order)

1. Jaylen Brown - shaky handles.  Poor passer. Unwilling passer. mediocre bbiq. Poor "team player" on both ends 

2. Dragan Bender - Donatas Motiejunas at this time.  takes a long time to setup for a jump shot.  Lacks "power" in his game. Slender. Without a jumpshot again basically a Donatas Motiejunas at this time

3. Jamal Murray -  Deadly long range shooter. Good size for a SG.  Good strength. But lacks quickness/explosiveness. Will have issues on the defensive end

4. Jakob Poetl -  Tyler Zeller part 2.  so so rebounder for size.  so so jump shot

5. Diamond Stone - Speights . Like Speights lacks a consistent motor. 

6. SKAL LABISSIERE - Rail thin. Poor freshman performance. Hard to get a grasp as to what kind of NBA player he will become. Should stay back another year


Even though it would be amazing to get either Simmons or Ingram for the 2016 draft, any of the other 4 would be solid pickups for the Celts.  Hield is an absolute scoring monster right now. Some are saying he is a combination of McCollum and Harden. Harden but a more unselfish version.  That is a top level nba player.   Luwawu has untapped potential and the main thing from stopping him to reaching the next level right now is needing to add strength/improve conditioning. He has the frame to pack on more weight.   Ellenson is a widebody that plays with endless energy on the court. Has the skills/leadership qualities to be a good one.  Because we already have Rozier , Dunn is the least favourable out of the 6 for us to choose in my opinion. But his level of skill (and now 3 pt shooting touch) can't be overlooked.  You could just pick him and worry about the overcrowd at the pg spot later.

Highlight videos to check out (outside of simmons, ingram)

Hield

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uK4EwZfZ1s

Ellenson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8RjerPqRr8

Dunn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyqHiHlo0ho

Luwawu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msd4OQimjDI
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Re: Best 2016 draft options for Celtics (in the top 10)
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Ingram is nothing like Dirk or Frye. He's a wing, not a big. On another note, I love Luwawu too, and Batum might be a nice comp for him.
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Love the Big Country shoutout. Saw a mock today that had Skal going to us at 24. Crazy. But yea, I havnt seen much of Ellenson but he strikes me as Kelly without the jumper and with a bit more boarding skills. Not super high on him but nice work with the list!
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Is ellenson stronger/bigger than KO?
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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Ingram and Hield are looking like good picks for the C's right now. I really hope we get Ingram in ways. I don't know how much we need Hield with Bradley and Smart here.

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Ingram is nothing like Dirk or Frye. He's a wing, not a big. On another note, I love Luwawu too, and Batum might be a nice comp for him.

At the NBA level he will be more like a Dirk than this crazy Durant comparisons.  People don't realize how explosive Durant is just because naturally he prefers to shoot.   

Ingram does not have "fast twitch" and I doubt with better conditioning will become much more explosive.  Adding weight may actually may him a bit slower and thus make him more like a Dirk in the NBa.

Remember at one point Dirk was considered a SF/PF hybrid (when he was really thin). And filled out to the player you see today (or last several years). Still a pretty decent athlete. But no way a SF

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Ingram is nothing like Dirk or Frye. He's a wing, not a big. On another note, I love Luwawu too, and Batum might be a nice comp for him.

Ingram is like a wing looking Durant who doesn't shoot it as well, but has a solid all around game. Like most frosh, he needs to put on some weight. Has a shot to be great.

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Is ellenson stronger/bigger than KO?

yes.  A tad shorter but has wider shoulders (easily longer wingspan/reach) and doesn't mind playing a bruiser style of game.   He just has to improve on his conditioning (you would think he will ) and improve on consistently becoming a better rebounder.   

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Ingram is nothing like Dirk or Frye. He's a wing, not a big. On another note, I love Luwawu too, and Batum might be a nice comp for him.

Ingram is like a wing looking Durant who doesn't shoot it as well, but has a solid all around game. Like most frosh, he needs to put on some weight. Has a shot to be great.

has anyone seen Ingram do the below?     He is nowhere near explosive as Durant. 
I will adjust the high level comparison  (Nowitzki with a touch of Jabari Parker)

Durant dunk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OexGEqrYm0A

vs

Ingram dunk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7TH7bEzbLs

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Ingram is nothing like Dirk or Frye. He's a wing, not a big. On another note, I love Luwawu too, and Batum might be a nice comp for him.

Ingram is like a wing looking Durant who doesn't shoot it as well, but has a solid all around game. Like most frosh, he needs to put on some weight. Has a shot to be great.

has anyone seen Ingram do the below?     He is nowhere near explosive as Durant. 
I will adjust the high level comparison  (Nowitzki with a touch of Jabari Parker)

Durant dunk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OexGEqrYm0A

vs

Ingram dunk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7TH7bEzbLs
Ingram is closer to Gianis Antetokounpo than Dirk.

He's much quicker than Dirk but like the Greek freak, he doesn't have the vertical of a Durant.

So I would say Gianis with a smooth jumper than Dirk comparison.

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Ingram is nothing like Dirk or Frye. He's a wing, not a big. On another note, I love Luwawu too, and Batum might be a nice comp for him.

Ingram is like a wing looking Durant who doesn't shoot it as well, but has a solid all around game. Like most frosh, he needs to put on some weight. Has a shot to be great.

has anyone seen Ingram do the below?     He is nowhere near explosive as Durant. 
I will adjust the high level comparison  (Nowitzki with a touch of Jabari Parker)

Durant dunk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OexGEqrYm0A

vs

Ingram dunk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7TH7bEzbLs
Ingram is closer to Gianis Antetokounpo than Dirk.

He's much quicker than Dirk but like the Greek freak, he doesn't have the vertical of a Durant.

So I would say Gianis with a smooth jumper than Dirk comparison.

Giannis with a shot is the best Ingram comp I've been able to come up with, and that's one hell of a player (and why I have him over Simmons on my board).
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Ingram is nothing like Dirk or Frye. He's a wing, not a big. On another note, I love Luwawu too, and Batum might be a nice comp for him.

Ingram is like a wing looking Durant who doesn't shoot it as well, but has a solid all around game. Like most frosh, he needs to put on some weight. Has a shot to be great.

has anyone seen Ingram do the below?     He is nowhere near explosive as Durant. 
I will adjust the high level comparison  (Nowitzki with a touch of Jabari Parker)

Durant dunk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OexGEqrYm0A

vs

Ingram dunk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7TH7bEzbLs

Maybe you haven't seen this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xnMrZyQFEjY

Ingram looks more like a SG who will play SF.  I don't see him as a big at all.

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Seen plenty of Ingram I'm thinking Melo/Park combo. GA and PG are too athletic to compare to Ingram.

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a player i have begun to like more and more is ellenson. it is not the best player in the draft and i would prefer dunn or bender. but ellenson would be a fine pick for me if the celtics drop to 5th in the draft.

he has an incredibly fast release on this jump shot. is accurate from outside. he is a very good passer. and seems to play credible defense. smart too.

not overly athletic, but a good basketball player from what little i have seen.
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