Best 2016 draft options for Celtics (in the top 10)

[Tr1boy]

a player i have begun to like more and more is ellenson. it is not the best player in the draft and i would prefer dunn or bender. but ellenson would be a fine pick for me if the celtics drop to 5th in the draft.

he has an incredibly fast release on this jump shot. is accurate from outside. he is a very good passer. and seems to play credible defense. smart too.

not overly athletic, but a good basketball player from what little i have seen.

I agree. Ellenson is fantastic.

[tazzmaniac]

Seen plenty of Ingram I'm thinking Melo/Park combo. GA and PG are too athletic to compare to Ingram.

Melo and Jabari Parker?  Both were much heavier than Ingram.  Ingram is much more athletic than both of them and much longer.  DraftExpress shows college Melo with a 33.5" Max Vert.  Parker would probably have been worse if he had tested.  Ingram will go at least 42".  GA is a much closer comparison.  Ingram's playing style and build are causing folks to underestimate his athleticism and strength.   

[Csfan1984]

Believe me I know he can jump but he isn't using athleticism in game.

[tazzmaniac]

Believe me I know but he isn't using it in game.

Ingram uses his athleticism when he needs to but he doesn't have to rely on it. 

[Csfan1984]

Believe me I know but he isn't using it in game.

Ingram uses his athleticism when he needs to but he doesn't have to rely on it.

I don't see it in game. Like PG or GA do. Maybe he is a lot more like KD. KD can move and get up high but rarely uses it. But until Ingram uses it even to that level got to call him Melo/Parker. Do like his off the ball work and fast break. He is very close to overtaking the #1 spot on my big board. I'd be very happy for C's to get any top 7 prospect this draft.

[chambers]

I think ingram's best NBA comparison is Paul Pierce.

Great shooting stroke, solid ball handling, ability to create his own shot,  versatile defender (does need to out on some weight but has good frame to add mass).
Silky smooth on offense and is a true triple threat.
He's much more athletic than Dirk ever was in his prime.

[TheSundanceKid]

Is ellenson stronger/bigger than KO?

yes.  A tad shorter but has wider shoulders (easily longer wingspan/reach) and doesn't mind playing a bruiser style of game.   He just has to improve on his conditioning (you would think he will ) and improve on consistently becoming a better rebounder.

So basically he's an unrefined Kevin Love in his later Minnesota days?

[Tr1boy]

Is ellenson stronger/bigger than KO?

yes.  A tad shorter but has wider shoulders (easily longer wingspan/reach) and doesn't mind playing a bruiser style of game.   He just has to improve on his conditioning (you would think he will ) and improve on consistently becoming a better rebounder.

So basically he's an unrefined Kevin Love in his later Minnesota days?

No. He has a longer wingspan/reach. Shot blocking skills.

Better defender.  Outside of this I can see why you bring up the love comparison

[Tr1boy]

Seen plenty of Ingram I'm thinking Melo/Park combo. GA and PG are too athletic to compare to Ingram.

Melo and Jabari Parker?  Both were much heavier than Ingram.  Ingram is much more athletic than both of them and much longer.  DraftExpress shows college Melo with a 33.5" Max Vert.  Parker would probably have been worse if he had tested.  Ingram will go at least 42".  GA is a much closer comparison.  Ingram's playing style and build are causing folks to underestimate his athleticism and strength.

no way. 31-33 is my guess.  Durant's max very predraft was 33.5

[knuckleballer]

Seen plenty of Ingram I'm thinking Melo/Park combo. GA and PG are too athletic to compare to Ingram.

Melo and Jabari Parker?  Both were much heavier than Ingram.  Ingram is much more athletic than both of them and much longer.  DraftExpress shows college Melo with a 33.5" Max Vert.  Parker would probably have been worse if he had tested.  Ingram will go at least 42".  GA is a much closer comparison.  Ingram's playing style and build are causing folks to underestimate his athleticism and strength.

no way. 31-33 is my guess.  Durant's max very predraft was 33.5

In the video I posted, Ingram's head is about 2-3 inches below the rim.  He stands 6'9.5" in sneakers, so that's about a 36" vertical. 

Here's a video with more of a closeup of that jump.   https://vine.co/v/eQqixZuDgdu

[Evantime34]

Seen plenty of Ingram I'm thinking Melo/Park combo. GA and PG are too athletic to compare to Ingram.

Melo and Jabari Parker?  Both were much heavier than Ingram.  Ingram is much more athletic than both of them and much longer.  DraftExpress shows college Melo with a 33.5" Max Vert.  Parker would probably have been worse if he had tested.  Ingram will go at least 42".  GA is a much closer comparison.  Ingram's playing style and build are causing folks to underestimate his athleticism and strength.

no way. 31-33 is my guess.  Durant's max very predraft was 33.5

In the video I posted, Ingram's head is about 2-3 inches below the rim.  He stands 6'9.5" in sneakers, so that's about a 36" vertical. 

Here's a video with more of a closeup of that jump.   http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2015/9/29/9419509/duke-phenom-brandon-ingram-can-[dang]-near-palm-the-top-of-the-backboard

I saw a breakdown of that video where they measured it 44 inches. Either way his hand was at the top of the back board, his Max very is way more than low 30s

[celticmania]

Seen plenty of Ingram I'm thinking Melo/Park combo. GA and PG are too athletic to compare to Ingram.

Melo and Jabari Parker?  Both were much heavier than Ingram.  Ingram is much more athletic than both of them and much longer.  DraftExpress shows college Melo with a 33.5" Max Vert.  Parker would probably have been worse if he had tested.  Ingram will go at least 42".  GA is a much closer comparison.  Ingram's playing style and build are causing folks to underestimate his athleticism and strength.

Jabari and Melo both have big bodies so the don't seem athletic but both are actually very good athletes especially Melo in his prime.  Both are better athletes than Ingram by a decent margin.. They just don't look like it.  Melos first step and twitch muscles are off the charts and Jabari Parker has good bounce for a pudgy athlete.

[knuckleballer]

Seen plenty of Ingram I'm thinking Melo/Park combo. GA and PG are too athletic to compare to Ingram.

Melo and Jabari Parker?  Both were much heavier than Ingram.  Ingram is much more athletic than both of them and much longer.  DraftExpress shows college Melo with a 33.5" Max Vert.  Parker would probably have been worse if he had tested.  Ingram will go at least 42".  GA is a much closer comparison.  Ingram's playing style and build are causing folks to underestimate his athleticism and strength.

no way. 31-33 is my guess.  Durant's max very predraft was 33.5

In the video I posted, Ingram's head is about 2-3 inches below the rim.  He stands 6'9.5" in sneakers, so that's about a 36" vertical. 

Here's a video with more of a closeup of that jump.   http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2015/9/29/9419509/duke-phenom-brandon-ingram-can-[dang]-near-palm-the-top-of-the-backboard

I saw a breakdown of that video where they measured it 44 inches. Either way his hand was at the top of the back board, his Max very is way more than low 30s

I don't know how high the top of that backboard is, but I know the rim is 10 feet flat.  He's 2-3 inches short of 7' in sneakers and his head is about 2-3 inches from the rim in that jump, so that's about exactly 3 feet, or 36 inches.  If he was jumping 44 inches, his head would be about 6 inches above the rim.

[KeepRondo]

Seen plenty of Ingram I'm thinking Melo/Park combo. GA and PG are too athletic to compare to Ingram.

Melo and Jabari Parker?  Both were much heavier than Ingram.  Ingram is much more athletic than both of them and much longer.  DraftExpress shows college Melo with a 33.5" Max Vert.  Parker would probably have been worse if he had tested.  Ingram will go at least 42".  GA is a much closer comparison.  Ingram's playing style and build are causing folks to underestimate his athleticism and strength.

no way. 31-33 is my guess.  Durant's max very predraft was 33.5

In the video I posted, Ingram's head is about 2-3 inches below the rim.  He stands 6'9.5" in sneakers, so that's about a 36" vertical. 

Here's a video with more of a closeup of that jump.   http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2015/9/29/9419509/duke-phenom-brandon-ingram-can-[dang]-near-palm-the-top-of-the-backboard

I saw a breakdown of that video where they measured it 44 inches. Either way his hand was at the top of the back board, his Max very is way more than low 30s

That is a nice bonus because he doesn't utilize that kind of lift in the game. Maybe when he gets stronger he will be able to use this part of his game more.

[Tr1boy]

Seen plenty of Ingram I'm thinking Melo/Park combo. GA and PG are too athletic to compare to Ingram.

Melo and Jabari Parker?  Both were much heavier than Ingram.  Ingram is much more athletic than both of them and much longer.  DraftExpress shows college Melo with a 33.5" Max Vert.  Parker would probably have been worse if he had tested.  Ingram will go at least 42".  GA is a much closer comparison.  Ingram's playing style and build are causing folks to underestimate his athleticism and strength.

no way. 31-33 is my guess.  Durant's max very predraft was 33.5

In the video I posted, Ingram's head is about 2-3 inches below the rim.  He stands 6'9.5" in sneakers, so that's about a 36" vertical. 

Here's a video with more of a closeup of that jump.   http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2015/9/29/9419509/duke-phenom-brandon-ingram-can-[dang]-near-palm-the-top-of-the-backboard

I saw a breakdown of that video where they measured it 44 inches. Either way his hand was at the top of the back board, his Max very is way more than low 30s

I don't know how high the top of that backboard is, but I know the rim is 10 feet flat.  He's 2-3 inches short of 7' in sneakers and his head is about 2-3 inches from the rim in that jump, so that's about exactly 3 feet, or 36 inches.  If he was jumping 44 inches, his head would be about 6 inches above the rim.

Exactly.

Whatever the case is Dirk with a touch of Parker, Durant lite Ingram will be a prized pick. And I can see now some have pegged him above Simmons.    2 factors as to who goes number 1

No particular order

-What a team needs/fit? If they have a bona fide scorer or 2, Simmons maybe a better fit. If a team lacks a scorer Ingram. For example   

- Who does better in March madness. This is a situation where a better MM performance can provide the "edge"


These factors also could matter for any of the other 4 possible picks

If Ellenson carries his no name team to the final four for example.  Or Hield just keeps killing it

There is a small opening for one of these guys to propel to the top and get picked #2