Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.

[Vermont Green]

I don't think there is evidence that the Sixer's "plan" has failed.  What all the articles say is that the plan has failed to produce a "game changer" so far.  They may have a game changer who just hasn't developed yet, they may get a game changer in the next draft, they may have all Greg Oden-type prospects.  Who knows.  Game changers aren't that easy to find.  Cleveland had, what, 3 #1s in four years and did they get a game changer?

I don't see that the problem or the concern of the NBA is that the "plan" is failing to assemble assets.  They do have assets and with the exception of Embiid, all those assets hold current value.  The problem is that they are an embarrassment to the league and continue to do trades that are solely for the intent of tanking.  I don't think it matters to the league how well the "plan" is working or not working.  Not sure what the NBA can do to stop them but I think this is an effort to stop the tank.

[Moranis]

I don't think there is evidence that the Sixer's "plan" has failed.  What all the articles say is that the plan has failed to produce a "game changer" so far.  They may have a game changer who just hasn't developed yet, they may get a game changer in the next draft, they may have all Greg Oden-type prospects.  Who knows.  Game changers aren't that easy to find.  Cleveland had, what, 3 #1s in four years and did they get a game changer?

I don't see that the problem or the concern of the NBA is that the "plan" is failing to assemble assets.  They do have assets and with the exception of Embiid, all those assets hold current value.  The problem is that they are an embarrassment to the league and continue to do trades that are solely for the intent of tanking.  I don't think it matters to the league how well the "plan" is working or not working.  Not sure what the NBA can do to stop them but I think this is an effort to stop the tank.

Cleveland got Irving and Wiggins with those picks.  Wiggins appears like he could be a game changer and Irving is a clear all star level player. 

The Sixers haven't made a trade in awhile.  In fact, the team is pretty similar to last year with Okafor, Stauskas and McConnell added and Mbah a Moute, Henry Sims, and Ish Smith removed.  That is a clear talent upgrade.  Wroten is due back this week, he should provide a big boost to the backcourt. 

The Sixers also reached out to a couple of restricted free agents last summer (Butler and Leonard) who both ended up re-signing with their current teams.  Those two guys were the only all star level prospects on the market last year.  The Sixers made calls and were rejected, as were every other team pursuing those guys.  Outside of them, Monroe (who didn't make sense roster wise), Aldridge (who was never going to Philly), and Harris (a restricted free agent that re-signed) were really the only good youngish players on the market.  The Sixers got a bunch of crap for not signing any free agents, but who were they going to sign, guys like Paul Pierce (who wouldn't go there anyway), Brandon Bass, Lou Williams, etc.  I mean those would have been silly signings that would have done nothing for Philly.   

[Eddie20]

I don't think there is evidence that the Sixer's "plan" has failed.  What all the articles say is that the plan has failed to produce a "game changer" so far.  They may have a game changer who just hasn't developed yet, they may get a game changer in the next draft, they may have all Greg Oden-type prospects.  Who knows.  Game changers aren't that easy to find.  Cleveland had, what, 3 #1s in four years and did they get a game changer?

I don't see that the problem or the concern of the NBA is that the "plan" is failing to assemble assets.  They do have assets and with the exception of Embiid, all those assets hold current value.  The problem is that they are an embarrassment to the league and continue to do trades that are solely for the intent of tanking.  I don't think it matters to the league how well the "plan" is working or not working.  Not sure what the NBA can do to stop them but I think this is an effort to stop the tank.

Cleveland got Irving and Wiggins with those picks.  Wiggins appears like he could be a game changer and Irving is a clear all star level player. 

The Sixers haven't made a trade in awhile.  In fact, the team is pretty similar to last year with Okafor, Stauskas and McConnell added and Mbah a Moute, Henry Sims, and Ish Smith removed.  That is a clear talent upgrade.  Wroten is due back this week, he should provide a big boost to the backcourt. 

The Sixers also reached out to a couple of restricted free agents last summer (Butler and Leonard) who both ended up re-signing with their current teams.  Those two guys were the only all star level prospects on the market last year.  The Sixers made calls and were rejected, as were every other team pursuing those guys.  Outside of them, Monroe (who didn't make sense roster wise), Aldridge (who was never going to Philly), and Harris (a restricted free agent that re-signed) were really the only good youngish players on the market.  The Sixers got a bunch of crap for not signing any free agents, but who were they going to sign, guys like Paul Pierce (who wouldn't go there anyway), Brandon Bass, Lou Williams, etc.  I mean those would have been silly signings that would have done nothing for Philly.   

I disagree with that part. The leadership and mentoring certain vets (not all vets- see Bogans) provide are invaluable. They bring structure and allow the players to have another voice, besides the coaching staff, to listen to. Instead, the Sixers surrounded their valued draft picks with inexperienced D league level talent. So it's the blind leading the blind and an NBA2k/Fantasy Basketball mentality that Hinkie (and certain posters here) has that contributed into the Sixers becoming the worst franchise in any of the major sports.

[MBunge]

Brandon Bass, Lou Williams, etc.  I mean those would have been silly signings that would have done nothing for Philly.   

A gunner like Lou Williams wouldn't have done anything for Philly but signing a guy like Bass, a consummate pro with years of experience who will do his job but isn't good enough to really make the difference between winning and losing, is exactly the kind of vet Philly needs.

Philly has to spend up to the salary ceiling.  Why not overpay to bring in guys like Bass and Richard Jefferson to set the example for the rest of the roster?

Mike

[Moranis]

I don't think there is evidence that the Sixer's "plan" has failed.  What all the articles say is that the plan has failed to produce a "game changer" so far.  They may have a game changer who just hasn't developed yet, they may get a game changer in the next draft, they may have all Greg Oden-type prospects.  Who knows.  Game changers aren't that easy to find.  Cleveland had, what, 3 #1s in four years and did they get a game changer?

I don't see that the problem or the concern of the NBA is that the "plan" is failing to assemble assets.  They do have assets and with the exception of Embiid, all those assets hold current value.  The problem is that they are an embarrassment to the league and continue to do trades that are solely for the intent of tanking.  I don't think it matters to the league how well the "plan" is working or not working.  Not sure what the NBA can do to stop them but I think this is an effort to stop the tank.

Cleveland got Irving and Wiggins with those picks.  Wiggins appears like he could be a game changer and Irving is a clear all star level player. 

The Sixers haven't made a trade in awhile.  In fact, the team is pretty similar to last year with Okafor, Stauskas and McConnell added and Mbah a Moute, Henry Sims, and Ish Smith removed.  That is a clear talent upgrade.  Wroten is due back this week, he should provide a big boost to the backcourt. 

The Sixers also reached out to a couple of restricted free agents last summer (Butler and Leonard) who both ended up re-signing with their current teams.  Those two guys were the only all star level prospects on the market last year.  The Sixers made calls and were rejected, as were every other team pursuing those guys.  Outside of them, Monroe (who didn't make sense roster wise), Aldridge (who was never going to Philly), and Harris (a restricted free agent that re-signed) were really the only good youngish players on the market.  The Sixers got a bunch of crap for not signing any free agents, but who were they going to sign, guys like Paul Pierce (who wouldn't go there anyway), Brandon Bass, Lou Williams, etc.  I mean those would have been silly signings that would have done nothing for Philly.   

I disagree with that part. The leadership and mentoring certain vets (not all vets- see Bogans) provide are invaluable. They bring structure and allow the players to have another voice, besides the coaching staff, to listen to. Instead, the Sixers surrounded their valued draft picks with inexperienced D league level talent. So it's the blind leading the blind and an NBA2k/Fantasy Basketball mentality that Hinkie (and certain posters here) has that contributed into the Sixers becoming the worst franchise in any of the major sports.

Hard to call guys that have been in the league multiple seasons DLeague talent.  The Sixers didn't do that sort of thing this summer (except Wood who has barely played).  They returned 7 of their top 10 players from last year and the 3 they lost they had clear talent upgrades on.  When Wroten returns he makes 8 of 11. 

[Moranis]

Brandon Bass, Lou Williams, etc.  I mean those would have been silly signings that would have done nothing for Philly.   

A gunner like Lou Williams wouldn't have done anything for Philly but signing a guy like Bass, a consummate pro with years of experience who will do his job but isn't good enough to really make the difference between winning and losing, is exactly the kind of vet Philly needs.

Philly has to spend up to the salary ceiling.  Why not overpay to bring in guys like Bass and Richard Jefferson to set the example for the rest of the roster?

Mike

Because they wouldn't sign there.  Maurice Williams wasn't going to go there either.  Neither was David West.  Those guys aren't going to Philly.  The kind of veteran they could get by overpaying is not the guy that will go play for a contender for a veteran minimum type deal (I realize Bass isn't on a contender, but I'm sure he thought LA would be a lot better than it is).  The guys they could get wouldn't move the needle at all.  The team would be just as bad, but would have veterans.  Wippy Do.  Who cares.  A guy that has no future in the league beyond a season or two, who isn't going to contribute wins at all, isn't worth signing.  At least the young guys might hit (like Covington).  Better to take the home run shot than to lay down a bunt when the product on the floor is basically the same.

[Donoghus]

Does your plan fail if the league basically has to step in and put someone in there as a "special advisor"?

I'm sure that was part of Hinkie's plan too.

[Ed Hollison]

A generation ago, the IMF's prescription for fiscally/economically struggling economies was:

- Massively cut government spending and jack up taxes
- Devalue the exchange rate
- Sell-off all government-owned enterprises
- Eliminate all protections for domestic industry

In theory, all of these things were correct. The problem was that in between point A (things are really bad) and the theoretical point B (things will be much better!) there's a really tough road that includes soaring inflation and unemployment. That tends to p--- off population so much that it ends up tearing down the government in charge of the putting in place the IMF's reforms, and you're back to square one.

See what I'm getting to? In theory, all you need to do is tank, tank, tank until you land Shaq. Then voila! But between point A and point B, you've wrecked your organization's capacity to attract free agents, your GM's credibility in making trades, and your existing players' motivation to improve their games. Eventually, it brings down the very GM who concocted the plan in the first place.

This is the problem with Hinkie-ism. Sounds great. But this is the real world.

[Eddie20]

I don't think there is evidence that the Sixer's "plan" has failed.  What all the articles say is that the plan has failed to produce a "game changer" so far.  They may have a game changer who just hasn't developed yet, they may get a game changer in the next draft, they may have all Greg Oden-type prospects.  Who knows.  Game changers aren't that easy to find.  Cleveland had, what, 3 #1s in four years and did they get a game changer?

I don't see that the problem or the concern of the NBA is that the "plan" is failing to assemble assets.  They do have assets and with the exception of Embiid, all those assets hold current value.  The problem is that they are an embarrassment to the league and continue to do trades that are solely for the intent of tanking.  I don't think it matters to the league how well the "plan" is working or not working.  Not sure what the NBA can do to stop them but I think this is an effort to stop the tank.

Cleveland got Irving and Wiggins with those picks.  Wiggins appears like he could be a game changer and Irving is a clear all star level player. 

The Sixers haven't made a trade in awhile.  In fact, the team is pretty similar to last year with Okafor, Stauskas and McConnell added and Mbah a Moute, Henry Sims, and Ish Smith removed.  That is a clear talent upgrade.  Wroten is due back this week, he should provide a big boost to the backcourt. 

The Sixers also reached out to a couple of restricted free agents last summer (Butler and Leonard) who both ended up re-signing with their current teams.  Those two guys were the only all star level prospects on the market last year.  The Sixers made calls and were rejected, as were every other team pursuing those guys.  Outside of them, Monroe (who didn't make sense roster wise), Aldridge (who was never going to Philly), and Harris (a restricted free agent that re-signed) were really the only good youngish players on the market.  The Sixers got a bunch of crap for not signing any free agents, but who were they going to sign, guys like Paul Pierce (who wouldn't go there anyway), Brandon Bass, Lou Williams, etc.  I mean those would have been silly signings that would have done nothing for Philly.   

I disagree with that part. The leadership and mentoring certain vets (not all vets- see Bogans) provide are invaluable. They bring structure and allow the players to have another voice, besides the coaching staff, to listen to. Instead, the Sixers surrounded their valued draft picks with inexperienced D league level talent. So it's the blind leading the blind and an NBA2k/Fantasy Basketball mentality that Hinkie (and certain posters here) has that contributed into the Sixers becoming the worst franchise in any of the major sports.

Hard to call guys that have been in the league multiple seasons DLeague talent.  The Sixers didn't do that sort of thing this summer (except Wood who has barely played).  They returned 7 of their top 10 players from last year and the 3 they lost they had clear talent upgrades on.  When Wroten returns he makes 8 of 11.

Funny you say that...


@Rick_Bonnell
Last night I asked a scout to describe the 76ers: "Two big men who don't really fit together and the rest is a D-league roster."

[Moranis]

I don't think there is evidence that the Sixer's "plan" has failed.  What all the articles say is that the plan has failed to produce a "game changer" so far.  They may have a game changer who just hasn't developed yet, they may get a game changer in the next draft, they may have all Greg Oden-type prospects.  Who knows.  Game changers aren't that easy to find.  Cleveland had, what, 3 #1s in four years and did they get a game changer?

I don't see that the problem or the concern of the NBA is that the "plan" is failing to assemble assets.  They do have assets and with the exception of Embiid, all those assets hold current value.  The problem is that they are an embarrassment to the league and continue to do trades that are solely for the intent of tanking.  I don't think it matters to the league how well the "plan" is working or not working.  Not sure what the NBA can do to stop them but I think this is an effort to stop the tank.

Cleveland got Irving and Wiggins with those picks.  Wiggins appears like he could be a game changer and Irving is a clear all star level player. 

The Sixers haven't made a trade in awhile.  In fact, the team is pretty similar to last year with Okafor, Stauskas and McConnell added and Mbah a Moute, Henry Sims, and Ish Smith removed.  That is a clear talent upgrade.  Wroten is due back this week, he should provide a big boost to the backcourt. 

The Sixers also reached out to a couple of restricted free agents last summer (Butler and Leonard) who both ended up re-signing with their current teams.  Those two guys were the only all star level prospects on the market last year.  The Sixers made calls and were rejected, as were every other team pursuing those guys.  Outside of them, Monroe (who didn't make sense roster wise), Aldridge (who was never going to Philly), and Harris (a restricted free agent that re-signed) were really the only good youngish players on the market.  The Sixers got a bunch of crap for not signing any free agents, but who were they going to sign, guys like Paul Pierce (who wouldn't go there anyway), Brandon Bass, Lou Williams, etc.  I mean those would have been silly signings that would have done nothing for Philly.   

I disagree with that part. The leadership and mentoring certain vets (not all vets- see Bogans) provide are invaluable. They bring structure and allow the players to have another voice, besides the coaching staff, to listen to. Instead, the Sixers surrounded their valued draft picks with inexperienced D league level talent. So it's the blind leading the blind and an NBA2k/Fantasy Basketball mentality that Hinkie (and certain posters here) has that contributed into the Sixers becoming the worst franchise in any of the major sports.

Hard to call guys that have been in the league multiple seasons DLeague talent.  The Sixers didn't do that sort of thing this summer (except Wood who has barely played).  They returned 7 of their top 10 players from last year and the 3 they lost they had clear talent upgrades on.  When Wroten returns he makes 8 of 11.

Funny you say that...


@Rick_Bonnell
Last night I asked a scout to describe the 76ers: "Two big men who don't really fit together and the rest is a D-league roster."

Which is just nonsense.  There isn't a team in the league wouldn't sign Covington, Stauskas, Wroten, Thompson, and Grant to their roster immediately if they were available (at least at vet minimum type contracts).  Marshall had more suitors than just Philly last summer. 

People love to talk in hyperbole with the Sixers.  It is the new fun thing to do, but it is just silly talk.

[Evantime34]

The Colangelo move seems like it is the Sixers showing they are moving into the next phase of their rebuild.

Hinkie was tasked with obtaining assets and now Colangelo will step in to build a team from those assets. For the first time in several years I think the Sixers will attempt to use their cap space this offseason.

I wouldn't be surprised if this move makes the Sixers more likely to deal one of their assets for several players that can help right now in the offseason as well.

[BballTim]

I don't think there is evidence that the Sixer's "plan" has failed.

  That's the beauty of the "suck until you're good" strategy. It never "fails". There's always next years draft, or the hope that the players on the team will make the leap. If not, rinse, lather, repeat. Last year people here were praising the Sixers and their 4 possible franchise cornerstones (Embiid, Noel, Saric and MCW). If/when those guys don't pan out, other names just replace them.

[colincb]

They're on pace to have the worse record in NBA history. No hype.

[Moranis]

The Colangelo move seems like it is the Sixers showing they are moving into the next phase of their rebuild.

Hinkie was tasked with obtaining assets and now Colangelo will step in to build a team from those assets. For the first time in several years I think the Sixers will attempt to use their cap space this offseason.

I wouldn't be surprised if this move makes the Sixers more likely to deal one of their assets for several players that can help right now in the offseason as well.

They made inquiries to both Butler and Leonard last summer.  They would have signed both if possible (and then would have filled in the roster with others that would have made sense at that time).  They will do the same thing this summer, i.e. pick out the couple of guys that fit what they are doing and make a move for them and see what happens.  Signing bench veterans just doesn't make sense unless they get a clear upgrade or two in the starting lineup (like Butler and Leonard would have been). 

[Eddie20]

I don't think there is evidence that the Sixer's "plan" has failed.  What all the articles say is that the plan has failed to produce a "game changer" so far.  They may have a game changer who just hasn't developed yet, they may get a game changer in the next draft, they may have all Greg Oden-type prospects.  Who knows.  Game changers aren't that easy to find.  Cleveland had, what, 3 #1s in four years and did they get a game changer?

I don't see that the problem or the concern of the NBA is that the "plan" is failing to assemble assets.  They do have assets and with the exception of Embiid, all those assets hold current value.  The problem is that they are an embarrassment to the league and continue to do trades that are solely for the intent of tanking.  I don't think it matters to the league how well the "plan" is working or not working.  Not sure what the NBA can do to stop them but I think this is an effort to stop the tank.

Cleveland got Irving and Wiggins with those picks.  Wiggins appears like he could be a game changer and Irving is a clear all star level player. 

The Sixers haven't made a trade in awhile.  In fact, the team is pretty similar to last year with Okafor, Stauskas and McConnell added and Mbah a Moute, Henry Sims, and Ish Smith removed.  That is a clear talent upgrade.  Wroten is due back this week, he should provide a big boost to the backcourt. 

The Sixers also reached out to a couple of restricted free agents last summer (Butler and Leonard) who both ended up re-signing with their current teams.  Those two guys were the only all star level prospects on the market last year.  The Sixers made calls and were rejected, as were every other team pursuing those guys.  Outside of them, Monroe (who didn't make sense roster wise), Aldridge (who was never going to Philly), and Harris (a restricted free agent that re-signed) were really the only good youngish players on the market.  The Sixers got a bunch of crap for not signing any free agents, but who were they going to sign, guys like Paul Pierce (who wouldn't go there anyway), Brandon Bass, Lou Williams, etc.  I mean those would have been silly signings that would have done nothing for Philly.   

I disagree with that part. The leadership and mentoring certain vets (not all vets- see Bogans) provide are invaluable. They bring structure and allow the players to have another voice, besides the coaching staff, to listen to. Instead, the Sixers surrounded their valued draft picks with inexperienced D league level talent. So it's the blind leading the blind and an NBA2k/Fantasy Basketball mentality that Hinkie (and certain posters here) has that contributed into the Sixers becoming the worst franchise in any of the major sports.

Hard to call guys that have been in the league multiple seasons DLeague talent.  The Sixers didn't do that sort of thing this summer (except Wood who has barely played).  They returned 7 of their top 10 players from last year and the 3 they lost they had clear talent upgrades on.  When Wroten returns he makes 8 of 11.

Funny you say that...


@Rick_Bonnell
Last night I asked a scout to describe the 76ers: "Two big men who don't really fit together and the rest is a D-league roster."

Which is just nonsense.  There isn't a team in the league wouldn't sign Covington, Stauskas, Wroten, Thompson, and Grant to their roster immediately if they were available (at least at vet minimum type contracts).  Marshall had more suitors than just Philly last summer. 

People love to talk in hyperbole with the Sixers.  It is the new fun thing to do, but it is just silly talk.

Why though? Boozer, Big Baby, etc. are free agents and you can't say those players are any better.

Covington and Grant are decent. Thompson can't defend or handle the ball to save his life. He's basically a worse version of Gary Neal, with half the shooting. Stauskas is straight garbage. Wroten is a shoot first "pg" who can't shoot and is coming off a torn knee.