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Re: I do not want Allen Iverson on the 2011-12 Celtics
« Reply #465 on: November 14, 2011, 07:41:50 PM »

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Take a flyer on him as a min contract.
If he's an ass, then cut him and stick him on the end of the bench. I'd rather AI rather than Arroyo on the end of the bench.
If AI gave us 6-8 points off the bench I'd be happy. He's very capable of doing this and our team is in desperate need of bench scoring. Why not take a gamble?
His legs will be rested too.
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Re: I do not want Allen Iverson on the 2011-12 Celtics
« Reply #466 on: November 14, 2011, 08:14:40 PM »

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I thought after no NBA team wanted to sign him last year that this topic would be over.


This team does not need AI on this team.


AI is only about AI. 


Except now he is a slower version of his high shot number with a low shooting %.


He is still a headache for the team he is on without the benefit of drawing fans. 



Once again:


No NBA team wanted AI last season!

Re: I do not want Allen Iverson on the 2011-12 Celtics
« Reply #467 on: November 14, 2011, 08:36:41 PM »

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I thought after no NBA team wanted to sign him last year that this topic would be over.


This team does not need AI on this team.


AI is only about AI. 


Except now he is a slower version of his high shot number with a low shooting %.


He is still a headache for the team he is on without the benefit of drawing fans. 



Once again:


No NBA team wanted AI last season!

No NBA team wanted AI as a starter last season.

Nobody wanted to sign Latrell Sprewell for more than $21m for 3 years either.  Doesn't mean teams didn't want him for less though (and I remember at least a few tried in later years too like Dallas, San Antonio, and LAL).

We have what, like 9 spots to fill (or more depending what year the next season begins).  I like the idea of kicking the tires on some old veterans for a couple of our roster spots and see if they can maybe give us 10-15 minutes a night.
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Re: I do not want Allen Iverson on the 2011-12 Celtics
« Reply #468 on: November 14, 2011, 08:43:16 PM »

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If it means there will be a 2012 season, I'll gladly take AI on the Celts, as much as I dislike him and his game.


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Re: I do not want Allen Iverson on the 2011-12 Celtics
« Reply #469 on: November 14, 2011, 09:08:03 PM »

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If it means there will be a 2012 season, I'll gladly take AI on the Celts, as much as I dislike him and his game.

Wouldn't it be something if that was the deal maker.
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Re: I do not want Allen Iverson on the 2011-12 Celtics
« Reply #470 on: November 14, 2011, 10:05:33 PM »

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iverson

after talk with doc and danny..

would be on the same page and find his spot and reason for being here..

a job i never seen iverson do..

iverson will shine with out the pressure of having to carry a team by himself

Re: I do not want Allen Iverson on the 2011-12 Celtics
« Reply #471 on: November 15, 2011, 08:32:48 AM »

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after talk with doc and danny..

would be on the same page and find his spot and reason for being here..

a job i never seen iverson do..

iverson will shine with out the pressure of having to carry a team by himself

  Isn't that what they thought in Detroit and Memphis before Iverson quit on them mid-season because he didn't agree with the role the people who were paying his salary decided they wanted him to play??

  In your life how many times have you seen people make such a complete change in who they are and who they have always been?  I'm 46 and I have never seen anyone actually do a 180 for any length of time when who they are is as established as who Iverson is.  Sure sometimes they will change for a short period of time but never once have I seen anyone change for any length of time.  He is who he is and who he is isn't someone that should ever wear a Celtics uniform.

Re: I do not want Allen Iverson on the 2011-12 Celtics
« Reply #472 on: November 15, 2011, 09:42:00 AM »

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I thought after no NBA team wanted to sign him last year that this topic would be over.


This team does not need AI on this team.


AI is only about AI. 


Except now he is a slower version of his high shot number with a low shooting %.


He is still a headache for the team he is on without the benefit of drawing fans. 



Once again:


No NBA team wanted AI last season!

No NBA team wanted AI as a starter last season.

Nobody wanted to sign Latrell Sprewell for more than $21m for 3 years either.  Doesn't mean teams didn't want him for less though (and I remember at least a few tried in later years too like Dallas, San Antonio, and LAL).

We have what, like 9 spots to fill (or more depending what year the next season begins).  I like the idea of kicking the tires on some old veterans for a couple of our roster spots and see if they can maybe give us 10-15 minutes a night.


Nobody offered him the contract.



Has Spree ever made it back to the NBA after that season he didn't get the contract he wanted?

Re: I do not want Allen Iverson on the 2011-12 Celtics
« Reply #473 on: November 15, 2011, 02:53:54 PM »

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Isn't that what they thought in Detroit and Memphis before Iverson quit on them mid-season because he didn't agree with the role the people who were paying his salary decided they wanted him to play??

  In your life how many times have you seen people make such a complete change in who they are and who they have always been?  I'm 46 and I have never seen anyone actually do a 180 for any length of time when who they are is as established as who Iverson is.  Sure sometimes they will change for a short period of time but never once have I seen anyone change for any length of time.  He is who he is and who he is isn't someone that should ever wear a Celtics uniform.


In life, a number of persons make their biggest changes, from ages 28 to 33. In other words, the sliding period from early adulthood to full adulthood. So while it doesn't mean that a 32 year old is an old crone, it means that the 32 year old is a bit wiser and more in tuned with who he is, as an adult, even if his career/vocation a/o family life isn't completely set.

Those however, who don't make these changes (except of course if they made 'em really early in life) tend to resist growing up and remain in a semi-permanent state of immaturity, which then really causes trouble during one's mid-life crisis. I believe Iverson types are of the latter personality and thus, at this point in his career, the most he can be is a showboat in an International D-league, not the NBA.

Re: I do not want Allen Iverson on the 2011-12 Celtics
« Reply #474 on: November 15, 2011, 04:41:22 PM »

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I thought after no NBA team wanted to sign him last year that this topic would be over.


This team does not need AI on this team.


AI is only about AI. 


Except now he is a slower version of his high shot number with a low shooting %.


He is still a headache for the team he is on without the benefit of drawing fans. 



Once again:


No NBA team wanted AI last season!

No NBA team wanted AI as a starter last season.

Nobody wanted to sign Latrell Sprewell for more than $21m for 3 years either.  Doesn't mean teams didn't want him for less though (and I remember at least a few tried in later years too like Dallas, San Antonio, and LAL).

We have what, like 9 spots to fill (or more depending what year the next season begins).  I like the idea of kicking the tires on some old veterans for a couple of our roster spots and see if they can maybe give us 10-15 minutes a night.


Nobody offered him the contract.



Has Spree ever made it back to the NBA after that season he didn't get the contract he wanted?

Do you know nobody offered Iverson a contract, or reached out to see if he'd be interested in a reduced role, or are you just assuming because he wasn't in the league?

Regardless, you don't think a team's interest might change between:
 
"I want to be a starter and play at least 30 minutes a game and get at least 15 shots"

and

"I'm willing to come off the bench and play limited minutes and not worry about how many shots I get"?


If there is no demand for A, that automatically means there's no demand for B?


Nobody wanted Shaq last year when he said he wanted to be a starter and wanted at least mid-level money or more (he initially said something like that right?).  But when Shaq changed his tune and said he'd be willing to come off the bench and take a minimum contract, what do you know a team suddenly showed interest.

Spree never made it back to the league, but not because there weren't offers, there were several!  The thing is Spree never changed his demands, Iverson supposedly is.

It’s fine to say you don’t believe Iverson, or don’t think you have what it takes anymore, but to say it’s already case closed because he didn’t play in the league for a year is just faulty thinking.  Now if you want to talk about Antoine, who openly said he’d take a reduced role and minimum money, and still has no offers hey I’ll agree with you there.

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Re: I do not want Allen Iverson on the 2011-12 Celtics
« Reply #475 on: November 15, 2011, 05:59:30 PM »

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Now if you want to talk about Antoine, who openly said he’d take a reduced role and minimum money, and still has no offers hey I’ll agree with you there.

Toine did in fact, take a reduced role on the Heat's championship team and did the same for other teams. The difference is that Toine's a 6'8" point [not power] forward and has been able to perform in that role, even when he was on the C's.

He was never an MVP candidate and did perform well against a better Pacer's team for us, albeit, as Pierce's 2nd ball handler. His deficiencies was when he thought he could be a power forward and play down low (only to get mugged) & the fact that he took 3's w/o any thought.

Thus, given enough conditioning, highly unlikely given that it's Walker  ;), Toine could be a Laker's old Bob McAdoo for us off the bench, as he'd make medium height forwards actually try to cover him actively. And on defense, he could cover a shorter guy and possibly snag a rebound or two. That's a 10th man role; and yes, he wouldn't be the 1st man off the bench.

Is that better than Iverson in theory, yes, because at A.I.'s age (plus diminished height), his jumpers will be better contested and his drives to the basket won't be as easy w/o his high burst crossover patterns of yesteryear. And unlike Walker, A.I. isn't motivated to make a pass. Walker was one of the descent passers during the Jim O'Brien era and that's not something he's forgotten.

Of course, if Pierce becomes our sixth man, then Walker doesn't have a role on the bench except as a pine warmer, in case of injury. A.I., however, can substitute for either Ray Ray or Rondo/West, which makes being a guard, a better roster spot, then just a point forward. The problem is that I don't have faith in A.I. because he's never done it before.

Re: I do not want Allen Iverson on the 2011-12 Celtics
« Reply #476 on: November 15, 2011, 07:01:06 PM »

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I thought after no NBA team wanted to sign him last year that this topic would be over.


This team does not need AI on this team.


AI is only about AI. 


Except now he is a slower version of his high shot number with a low shooting %.


He is still a headache for the team he is on without the benefit of drawing fans. 



Once again:


No NBA team wanted AI last season!

No NBA team wanted AI as a starter last season.

Nobody wanted to sign Latrell Sprewell for more than $21m for 3 years either.  Doesn't mean teams didn't want him for less though (and I remember at least a few tried in later years too like Dallas, San Antonio, and LAL).

We have what, like 9 spots to fill (or more depending what year the next season begins).  I like the idea of kicking the tires on some old veterans for a couple of our roster spots and see if they can maybe give us 10-15 minutes a night.


Nobody offered him the contract.



Has Spree ever made it back to the NBA after that season he didn't get the contract he wanted?

Do you know nobody offered Iverson a contract, or reached out to see if he'd be interested in a reduced role, or are you just assuming because he wasn't in the league?

Regardless, you don't think a team's interest might change between:
 
"I want to be a starter and play at least 30 minutes a game and get at least 15 shots"

and

"I'm willing to come off the bench and play limited minutes and not worry about how many shots I get"?


If there is no demand for A, that automatically means there's no demand for B?


Nobody wanted Shaq last year when he said he wanted to be a starter and wanted at least mid-level money or more (he initially said something like that right?).  But when Shaq changed his tune and said he'd be willing to come off the bench and take a minimum contract, what do you know a team suddenly showed interest.

Spree never made it back to the league, but not because there weren't offers, there were several!  The thing is Spree never changed his demands, Iverson supposedly is.

It’s fine to say you don’t believe Iverson, or don’t think you have what it takes anymore, but to say it’s already case closed because he didn’t play in the league for a year is just faulty thinking.  Now if you want to talk about Antoine, who openly said he’d take a reduced role and minimum money, and still has no offers hey I’ll agree with you there.

You mean like what he told Memphis when he signed with them and the then quit on them a few games in because he was actually a bench player like they told him when they signed him?


How many time has AI said something about be a sharing player only to not change?

Re: I do not want Allen Iverson on the 2011-12 Celtics
« Reply #477 on: November 15, 2011, 07:35:53 PM »

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You mean like what he told Memphis when he signed with them and the then quit on them a few games in because he was actually a bench player like they told him when they signed him?
With all due respect, because I totally see your point, something tells me Boston is different from Memphis in a lot of ways.

Also, he's been out of the NBA for a while, and might just have come to terms with some of his 'demons'.

I guess what I'm saying about 'AI from the bench' is: "if anywhere, then in Boston."

Re: I do not want Allen Iverson on the 2011-12 Celtics
« Reply #478 on: November 15, 2011, 07:48:12 PM »

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Also, he's been out of the NBA for a while, and might just have come to terms with some of his 'demons'.

For the above, I want a sworn statement from Allen Iverson's hypnotherapist on the matter.

Otherwise, it's his usual posturing for a job.


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« Reply #479 on: November 15, 2011, 11:17:15 PM »

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Nothing that can't be solved with a non-guaranteed contract, like the ones we gave Wafer and West last season.