Conversation on Porzingis

[scaryjerry]

Like porzingis but u just can not trust him because of his injury history?last 2 playoffs he has miss most of it cause of the leg/ankle then he was sick this time

Really like him too and he embraced being a Celtic which was cool to see and he made a massive difference for us the first regular season with us?.hes been a non factor that can?t stay healthy ever since?.sadly he can go

[ozgod]

We may just have to keep Porzingis and trade Jrue + Hauser away. It doesn't seem like the interest is there and plus the fact that he's still dealing with PVS is also noteworthy. Hope he gets better but even teams who may have had a use for him have to be hesitating with his current illness. And I don't blame them. We saw how ineffective he was in the postseason

Keep in mind that KP is an expiring, so he would have lesser value to teams unless it's as a salary dump. In our case, we can either renegotiate an extension for a lower per-year number for him or let him walk at the end of the season. If he agrees to a 3 year 10m a year deal who says no?

[tazzmaniac]

We may just have to keep Porzingis and trade Jrue + Hauser away. It doesn't seem like the interest is there and plus the fact that he's still dealing with PVS is also noteworthy. Hope he gets better but even teams who may have had a use for him have to be hesitating with his current illness. And I don't blame them. We saw how ineffective he was in the postseason

Keep in mind that KP is an expiring, so he would have lesser value to teams unless it's as a salary dump. In our case, we can either renegotiate an extension for a lower per-year number for him or let him walk at the end of the season. If he agrees to a 3 year 10m a year deal who says no?

KP certainly won't agree to that deal this offseason so it all depends on how next season goes for him.  If it is like his first season with the Celts, KP will certainly be offered a lot more (e.g. 3yr/60M).  If it is like this previous season, maybe he'd go for a 10M deal but probably 2yr with the 2nd year player option. 

[celticinorlando]

It is becoming clear there is little to no market for KP. Teams will want to deal for Jrue.

I have accepted that KP will be in Boston next season and moved at the deadline if the Cs are going nowhere. He also has an expiring so they don't lose anything by keeping him.

I can expect him to miss about half the season with injuries, undetermined illness and whatever else he contracts.

[radiohead]

Like porzingis but u just can not trust him because of his injury history?last 2 playoffs he has miss most of it cause of the leg/ankle then he was sick this time

Really like him too and he embraced being a Celtic which was cool to see and he made a massive difference for us the first regular season with us?.hes been a non factor that can?t stay healthy ever since?.sadly he can go

If he regains his form playing for Latvia, I wouldn?t mind keeping KP. I think he would also take a pay cut to stay in Boston past next season. That would be a nice scenario.

[Neurotic Guy]

Idk - it?s easy to be down on the team given their disappointing end to the season, but there are years of talent still on this team and there is a smart and creative GM/PBO making roster decisions.  And one of the possible positives for 26-27 is a healthy KP on a team-friendly contract.

[tazzmaniac]

It is becoming clear there is little to no market for KP. Teams will want to deal for Jrue.

I have accepted that KP will be in Boston next season and moved at the deadline if the Cs are going nowhere. He also has an expiring so they don't lose anything by keeping him.

I can expect him to miss about half the season with injuries, undetermined illness and whatever else he contracts.

Moving a 30M contract at the deadline is going to be a lot more difficult than moving it in the offseason.

KP will probably have his best, most healthy season but it will be wasted with Tatum missing the whole season.  Then do you sign KP for a big, long-term contract knowing he's almost certainly not going to stay healthy for a lot of it? 

[tonydelk]

Like porzingis but u just can not trust him because of his injury history?last 2 playoffs he has miss most of it cause of the leg/ankle then he was sick this time

Really like him too and he embraced being a Celtic which was cool to see and he made a massive difference for us the first regular season with us?.hes been a non factor that can?t stay healthy ever since?.sadly he can go

If he regains his form playing for Latvia, I wouldn?t mind keeping KP. I think he would also take a pay cut to stay in Boston past next season. That would be a nice scenario.

The better he plays for Latvia the more appealing he will be to other teams.  For me I want to keep KP.  I'd like the team to move true and hauser.  Baylor can take hausers minutes.  He's a better all around player then hauser since he's a legit playmaker.  Kp will return very little so keep him since he's a beast when healthy.  I'd be open to white deal if they can get a bridges return back.  I love white but I want the cs t9 get assets in return versus sending them out to cut costs.  Luckily the new ownership is headlined by multiple billionaires.  If they are wiling to pay the hefty tax bill they will be under the 2nd apron just by letting kp walk.  I'm still hoping for a 28th plus hauser deal to move up into the mid teens in the draft.

[hwangjini_1]

Like porzingis but u just can not trust him because of his injury history?last 2 playoffs he has miss most of it cause of the leg/ankle then he was sick this time

Really like him too and he embraced being a Celtic which was cool to see and he made a massive difference for us the first regular season with us?.hes been a non factor that can?t stay healthy ever since?.sadly he can go

If he regains his form playing for Latvia, I wouldn?t mind keeping KP. I think he would also take a pay cut to stay in Boston past next season. That would be a nice scenario.

The better he plays for Latvia the more appealing he will be to other teams.  For me I want to keep KP.  I'd like the team to move true and hauser.  Baylor can take hausers minutes.  He's a better all around player then hauser since he's a legit playmaker.  Kp will return very little so keep him since he's a beast when healthy.  I'd be open to white deal if they can get a bridges return back.  I love white but I want the cs t9 get assets in return versus sending them out to cut costs.  Luckily the new ownership is headlined by multiple billionaires.  If they are wiling to pay the hefty tax bill they will be under the 2nd apron just by letting kp walk.  I'm still hoping for a 28th plus hauser deal to move up into the mid teens in the draft.

I agree with most of what you write here. But the real penalties for being a repeat offender is not just the tax, it hurts the team building abilities. They are tough.

1. Restrictions on Signing Players in Free Agency (Repeater Tax Apron Penalties)
Teams above the second apron (a higher luxury tax threshold) face severe restrictions, including:

No use of the taxpayer Mid-Level Exception (MLE). Repeater teams can only offer minimum contracts to free agents if they are above the first apron.

No sign-and-trade transactions. Repeater teams cannot acquire a player via sign-and-trade if it takes them above the first apron.

No use of the bi-annual exception (BAE). Repeater teams lose access to this exception.

2. Trade Restrictions
Teams above the second apron cannot:

Aggregate multiple player salaries in trades (must trade players one-for-one in terms of salary matching).

Receive more salary than they send out in a trade.

Trade a first-round pick seven years in the future (only picks up to six years ahead can be traded).

Include cash as part of a trade.

3. Draft Pick Penalties (For Teams Above the Second Apron)
If a repeater team finishes the season above the second apron, its first-round pick (seven years in the future) is frozen and cannot be traded until the team complies with salary rules.

The pick is moved to the end of the first round if the team remains a repeater for a third straight year.

These are really stiff penalities.

[vjcsmoke]

I believe it would be best to move Porzingis and his expiring contract this offseason. That makes him a lot easier to move because a team would only have to absorb the hit for 1 year.

Porzingis also has a chance to build up his trade value by performing well for the Latvia national team. NBA Executives will be paying attention. If he looks fully recovered in international competition, we might be able to gain some decent assets for moving him on.

[flybono]

Not dependable
Expiring contract should be easy to move
Find another big who can bang inside with some juice

[Surferdad]

Keep the band together! The roster makeup is not the reason they blew 2 20-pt leads in G1 and G2.
I would stretch KP, which alone should get them under the 2nd apron ($10M per year for 3 years). Entertain offers for Hauser.

[tazzmaniac]

Keep the band together! The roster makeup is not the reason they blew 2 20-pt leads in G1 and G2.
I would stretch KP, which alone should get them under the 2nd apron ($10M per year for 3 years). Entertain offers for Hauser.

Stretching players should be a last resort.  Shouldn't need to do it to get under the 2nd apron.  Jrue can be moved to do it and so can KP.

[Surferdad]

Keep the band together! The roster makeup is not the reason they blew 2 20-pt leads in G1 and G2.
I would stretch KP, which alone should get them under the 2nd apron ($10M per year for 3 years). Entertain offers for Hauser.

Stretching players should be a last resort.  Shouldn't need to do it to get under the 2nd apron.  Jrue can be moved to do it and so can KP.

My premise is keeping the roster largely intact.

[Goldstar88]

So if KP is gone, who are they starting at Center? For several months this year KP was the 2nd best player on the team behind Tatum. He?s injury prone, but I?d rather roll the dice with him than with Jrue.