Conversation on Porzingis / Re-sign KP? (merged)

[Surferdad]

So if KP is gone, who are they starting at Center? For several months this year KP was the 2nd best player on the team behind Tatum. He?s injury prone, but I?d rather roll the dice with him than with Jrue.

Yup. Horford may be gone. Kornet is not a starting center in this league. KP, if healthy, is the cheat code that helped them win it all, even only part-time.

[Csfan1984]

I feel the value is too low right now to trade him. If Jaylen misses time and Porzingis starts to play well it would make sense to deal him to a contender that can give you an expiring and a few picks. Some contender always makes a move near deadline. If Jaylen is healthy I ride it out and let KP expire or resign if it's a team friendly deal. I'm not trading a talent like Porzingis in this turbulent Eastern Conference unless I'm sure not to make playoffs.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I feel the value is too low right now to trade him. If Jaylen misses time and Porzingis starts to play well it would make sense to deal him to a contender that can give you an expiring and a few picks. Some contender always makes a move near deadline. If Jaylen is healthy I ride it out and let KP expire or resign if it's a team friendly deal. I'm not trading a talent like Porzingis in this turbulent Eastern Conference unless I'm sure not to make playoffs.

As I've thought about it, I tend to agree (unless there is something the Celtic medical staff know that we don't). Zinger's upside is still tremendous. He's a unique player that can really raise the ceiling of this team. He's likely more valuable too us than what any other team would be willing to trade for him.

[tonydelk]

Jrue and Hauser are the two that can be replaced on our team.  PP and Baylor can step in.  Zinger keeps the cs a contender.  I don't want him traded.  JB only for Giannis or Flagg.  Otherwise there's no one else I'd m9ve JB for this year.

[Goldstar88]

Jrue and Hauser are the two that can be replaced on our team.  PP and Baylor can step in.  Zinger keeps the cs a contender.  I don't want him traded.  JB only for Giannis or Flagg.  Otherwise there's no one else I'd m9ve JB for this year.

Pritchard isn?t a SF and Baylor isn?t even close to Sam, especially from a defensive standpoint. Hauser is on a very team friendly deal and just entered his prime. If the team is trying to contend, keeping Sam makes a lot of sense.

[Phantom255x]

I feel the value is too low right now to trade him. If Jaylen misses time and Porzingis starts to play well it would make sense to deal him to a contender that can give you an expiring and a few picks. Some contender always makes a move near deadline. If Jaylen is healthy I ride it out and let KP expire or resign if it's a team friendly deal. I'm not trading a talent like Porzingis in this turbulent Eastern Conference unless I'm sure not to make playoffs.

As I've thought about it, I tend to agree (unless there is something the Celtic medical staff know that we don't). Zinger's upside is still tremendous. He's a unique player that can really raise the ceiling of this team. He's likely more valuable too us than what any other team would be willing to trade for him.

I agree with you both and @tonydelk as well. If there's no trade interest and the only way to trade him is to attach multiple picks or take on another bad contract, I don't see the point.

If you can maybe trade KP and pick(s) to acquire 1-2 legit players (even if it's simply 1 starter and 1 role player) I would consider it, but I don't think that'll happen tbh given his durability issues and current PVS. Something like KP + picks to Utah for 2 or all of Kessler/Sexton/Sensabaugh, or similar. But I don't think Utah does it and I don't see another team coughing up a similar package.

I'd just hold on to him. But make no mistake, they HAVE to add another PF/C somewhere (either draft, FA or trade). Whether it's someone like Gafford in a Jrue trade, or maybe drafting someone at 28 or 32.

[soulman]

Can we RE-Sign Porzingis, let, say 3 years 45mil to save some money? That would be a good idea if you ask me.

[tazzmaniac]

Can we RE-Sign Porzingis, let, say 3 years 45mil to save some money? That would be a good idea if you ask me.

It wouldn't help financially for next season but Porzingis could be extended for the following seasons.  However I very much doubt KP would except 3yr/45M.  As a free agent, he'd probably get offered more than that even if he has another injury filled season. 

[Vermont Green]

I am not sure the market for Porzingis will be higher than that.  He probably won't extend this off season, maybe.  Not enough teams have money to spend anymore with the new rules.  Contenders that may be interested in Porzingis are is similar situation as us.  No real options to sign a guy like Porzingis.

[soulman]

I think we did something similar with Horford. It would be helpful to do the same with Porzingis.

[jambr380]

I am not sure the market for Porzingis will be higher than that.  He probably won't extend this off season, maybe.  Not enough teams have money to spend anymore with the new rules.  Contenders that may be interested in Porzingis are is similar situation as us.  No real options to sign a guy like Porzingis.

Yeah, $15M is around the full non-taxpayers MLE. I suppose some team could sign him to a big contract if they have space, but good teams won't have space and bad teams won't want to sign a majorly injury prone 7'2" guy in his 30s to big money

He has to make it through the offseason first without getting traded, but funny enough, we might be one of the few teams who would sign him to the full MLE next offseason (if we do trade him) if we keep cutting costs and get below the tax.

[Roy H.]

I'd love to see the team keep Zinger.  I would be surprised, because I think that ownership may utilize this off-season to start the process of getting out of the repeater tax, but a team built around Tatum / Brown / KP / White / Pritchard is a contender.

It's funny, before the playoffs I had done some math and had said that we could keep the team together and stay below the tax in 2027 if KP resigned for something like $19 million.  A lot of folks thought that was unrealistic.  Now, that figure is more plausible (although I don't think we keep the team together next season).

[Phantom255x]

Yeah I'd be pretty surprised if some team offered him a deal worth 15M+ AAV given his durability issues, and the cap situations of most teams as well. I guess maybe a bad team can give him a loaded 1-2 year deal and try to flip him for assets at a deadline, but that's about it

They still need to add another PF/C, but I'm okay keeping KP beyond 2026 if he comes back on a reasonable deal. KP/Draft or FA/Kornet/Queta, not bad. Especially if Queta can take a bit of a leap.

[keevsnick]

I don't really see KP taking a 33% pay cut. Sure, he's often injured, but 19 million won't be that much less than the non tax MLE in 226-27 which is projected to start at 14.8 million. But also, the caps gone up a lot since he last signed an extension. When he signed his extension in the summer of 2023 starting at 29.3 million for the 24-25 season that was 20.8% of the 140 million dollar cap. If he signed a 19 million dollar extension starting in 26-27 that would be only 11.2% of the projected 169 million dollar cap that year.

It just doesn't seem that likely to me.

[keevsnick]

Yeah I'd be pretty surprised if some team offered him a deal worth 15M+ AAV given his durability issues, and the cap situations of most teams as well. I guess maybe a bad team can give him a loaded 1-2 year deal and try to flip him for assets at a deadline, but that's about it

They still need to add another PF/C, but I'm okay keeping KP beyond 2026 if he comes back on a reasonable deal. KP/Draft or FA/Kornet/Queta, not bad. Especially if Queta can take a bit of a leap.

By the time Porzingis is a free agent in the summer of 26, 15M will be the starting point of the non tax mid level (14.8M). I can easily see somebody offering him that, at the very least.