I'm confused as to how a basically Boston beat reporter has any real idea of how the Nets are run. And I get that she talked with people and has quotes, but I don't think she really has any idea what the Nets are like on a day to day basis.
And the Nets have all basically come out and said the article was nonsense. That Irving isn't a problem at all, everyone likes him, there are no issues, etc.
Wow, you mean a team is denying there being problems on the team? Shocking.
Sure, but this wasn't a Nets beat reporter that is well connected with the team writing the article. That was the main point I was making. How does Jackie have any real idea what is going on in Brooklyn? She isn't there everyday. She doesn't cover them. Etc.
It came off like a hit piece from a disgruntled former lover.
Again, its Jackie Mac. She doesn't have some agenda man, she knows because she's very well connected. Its like asking how WOJ knows who every team is gonna draft/sign every year. He isnt a beat writer! How does he know? Its their job to know. Do you think she's making this up? I mean it pretty much tracks with everything everybody else has said about Kyrie at every stop he's been at. This behavior isnt a secret.
Woj is well connected to agents and does have contacts across the league. But Woj isn't writing stories about team cultures. He is reporting breaking news. That is a vastly different type of reporting. And of course Jackie could have an agenda. Every single piece of opinion based journalism is written or spoken with an agenda or bias. That is what makes it opinion based. To act like Jackie doesn't have an agenda is just strange. Jackie isn't in Brooklyn every day covering the team. I absolutely maintain the article came off like a hit job.
She didn't just conjure something out of thin air, though. She might write more along the lines of opinion pieces these days but the fact of the matter is that she's been covering the league for more than 3 decades now in one capacity or another. You don't spend that much time in the league without developing contacts & sources. Someone told her this. Maybe there's an agenda and maybe there isn't but she got this from somewhere. And, of course, the Nets are going to deny this. He's their shiny new toy and investment. With KD due back next season, this organization has extremely high hopes. They're not going to come out and confirm this. That would be a needless self-inflicted wound.
What's odd is seemingly questioning the credibility of someone like Jackie Mac while running to the defense of a guy that has created well-documented organizational problems in the past.
This is what I find a bit perplexing too. I kind of thought that Jackie Mac was considered by most to be a great old school journalist (I'll admit I thought she has gotten a bit more hot takey when she is on a show like around the horn), however it seems to be a very different thing to suggest she did a hit piece. I am also further confused why she would do this? Irving, despite being weird, seems to have friends around the NBA including Lebron and Durant. I don't think she would her entire career and reputation to just make up stuff about irving. Why would she do that?
Let's not forgot about all the hit pieces Woj has done on LeBron. Didn't ruin his career.
I don't speak for Moranis, but to me it felt like she was just regurgitating the same stuff she wrote about Kyrie in Boston. I imagine she has a strong opinion of him already, writing several ESPN articles on Kyrie and speaking about him on podcasts over the years. Took her Kyrie/Boston article and just updated the team and called it new.
Doesn't mean it's not credible, but also the same thing she's been saying about Kyrie for years. To me it would have hold more weight if it came from a different, credible source. Again not that Jackie Mac isn't credible, but she's already a source on him being difficult, this doesn't seem like new info to me.
This is kind of where I'm going. All of the really "harmful" stuff about Kyrie in the article isn't quoted and sounds like articles she was writing last year when Irving was in Boston. I read the article more like Jackie had a way she wanted to go and then just fit quotes in in a manner to fit the narrative she wanted to present. if this article was from a Nets beat writer I'd hold it in much higher regard than I do one coming from a Boston beat writer that has printed very similar articles for years. It just came off like a hit job from someone that has very little day to day interaction of the team being written about.
Curious why you think Zack Lowe and the Ringer NBA guys would go along with a hit piece? Why would (at least 3) highly respected NBA all randomly go in on this hit piece? Really curious what possible reason there could be for that.
The Ringer story you shared is about Kyrie being odd. Everyone knows Kyrie is odd. That wasn't the slant or nature of Jackie's piece. No where near the same thing.
One of the main parts of the Jac article was that irvings moods were making his teammates uncomfortable. Isn’t him going up to all the photographers and asking them not to take pictures of him an example of him being in a bad mood (and probably something that wasn’t super comfortable for his teammates to be around?). Not to mention, why did Lowe day the whole report was true? Weird hill here
And yet she was all over the radio this week singing Irving's praises specifically mentioning how engaged he was, how he was helping the young guys, and that they all liked him. Which is it, is he a problem or not?
She also said she spent 4 days with the Nets. Yet somehow that makes her an expert on the culture of the team. I just think it was hacky reporting from someone with a known bias against Irving. She took what she felt she already knew, found some evidence to "confirm" that belief, and then wrote a piece making the whole thing seem much worse than it actually is. That is a hit job.
If this piece came from a beat writer of the Nets that had spent years covering the team it would far more believable.
Did you read the part about Zach lower confirming the facts. Or are you just gonna ignore that? Again the facts are not disputable.
who said I objected to the facts. go back and read what I've said in this thread. The truly "harmful" parts of the article aren't quotes. I believe they are supposition based on the authors preconceived notions. An author that was with the team for a whopping total of 4 days, yet supposedly knows the Nets culture, got an accurate read on things, etc. This was a carpet bagger coming in to write a hit piece.
The fact that Kyrie is a strange dude that does weird things at times isn't news. Everyone knows this to be true. I absolutely believe Kyrie wouldn't take his hat off for a photo shoot and was reticent to try new things. That is just Kyrie being Kyrie, but to claim that it is causing a rift, their are concerns, etc. that is the part I think is nonsense. And I think it is nonsense for all of the reasons I've stated several times in this thread, including Jackie's own interviews since the hit job was published.
So if I got this right you're saying "sure Kyrie acts weird, but that doesn't mean its a problem." And asserting that the perception of there being a "problem" is Jackie Mac commentary. What we are trying to tell you is that it is a well established fact that Kyrie causes problems wherever he goes. We all saw it while he was here. Again man Zach Lowes comments were directly responding to Net's player denying that Kyrie was problem, saying that everybody has heard this stuff and thats nets players were protesting a little too loudly.
In other words man I get the argument you are trying to make. The problem is its obviously wrong. The overwhelming weight of the argument from the facts we have at hands, to the past actions of Kyries, to the fact that Jackie Mac is one of the NBA most respected writers all point one way.
Now personally I think Kyrie gets a little to much blame for last year, everybody clearly had their problems from Jaylen losing his grove, to Tatum going Kobe, to Haywards lack of confidence. And before last year I would have said "Kyrie is a clear all-nba guy, if you can get him you make it work cuz talent wins." Now? I'm glad he's gone, at least I can like this team again.
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