I dislike Kyrie(merged threads)

[timpiker]

Cryee is a me 1st person.  He's described by KD as an "artist".  I've never known "artists" to be team players.  Refuses to take off his hat for a team photo just like every other person on the team.  Refuses to do a test just like every other person on the team.  Who would have thought that Cryee is "moody".  No way no how.  Ha.  He's a nice individual player for a team but no way should he have the keys to the car.  He's not and never will be a leader of anything.

Tribute for Cryee?  Yeah right.  Hang big sign that says "Kiss my ass, Cryee".

[Wretch]

I'm not a health care professional so take this with a grain of salt, and this is not meant to be disparaging or judgmental. I wonder if KI has a legitimate mental health issue.   

[Moranis]

I'm confused as to how a basically Boston beat reporter has any real idea of how the Nets are run.  And I get that she talked with people and has quotes, but I don't think she really has any idea what the Nets are like on a day to day basis. 

And the Nets have all basically come out and said the article was nonsense.  That Irving isn't a problem at all, everyone likes him, there are no issues, etc.

Wow, you mean a team is denying there being problems on the team? Shocking.

Sure, but this wasn't a Nets beat reporter that is well connected with the team writing the article.  That was the main point I was making.  How does Jackie have any real idea what is going on in Brooklyn?  She isn't there everyday.  She doesn't cover them.  Etc. 

It came off like a hit piece from a disgruntled former lover.

Again, its Jackie Mac. She doesn't have some agenda man, she knows because she's very well connected. Its like asking how WOJ knows who every team is gonna draft/sign every year. He isnt a beat writer! How does he know? Its their job to know. Do you think she's making this up? I mean it pretty much tracks with everything everybody else has said about Kyrie at every stop he's been at. This behavior isnt a secret.

Woj is well connected to agents and does have contacts across the league.  But Woj isn't writing stories about team cultures.  He is reporting breaking news.  That is a vastly different type of reporting.  And of course Jackie could have an agenda.  Every single piece of opinion based journalism is written or spoken with an agenda or bias.  That is what makes it opinion based.  To act like Jackie doesn't have an agenda is just strange.  Jackie isn't in Brooklyn every day covering the team.  I absolutely maintain the article came off like a hit job.

[Donoghus]

I'm confused as to how a basically Boston beat reporter has any real idea of how the Nets are run.  And I get that she talked with people and has quotes, but I don't think she really has any idea what the Nets are like on a day to day basis. 

And the Nets have all basically come out and said the article was nonsense.  That Irving isn't a problem at all, everyone likes him, there are no issues, etc.

Wow, you mean a team is denying there being problems on the team? Shocking.

Sure, but this wasn't a Nets beat reporter that is well connected with the team writing the article.  That was the main point I was making.  How does Jackie have any real idea what is going on in Brooklyn?  She isn't there everyday.  She doesn't cover them.  Etc. 

It came off like a hit piece from a disgruntled former lover.

Again, its Jackie Mac. She doesn't have some agenda man, she knows because she's very well connected. Its like asking how WOJ knows who every team is gonna draft/sign every year. He isnt a beat writer! How does he know? Its their job to know. Do you think she's making this up? I mean it pretty much tracks with everything everybody else has said about Kyrie at every stop he's been at. This behavior isnt a secret.

Woj is well connected to agents and does have contacts across the league.  But Woj isn't writing stories about team cultures.  He is reporting breaking news.  That is a vastly different type of reporting.  And of course Jackie could have an agenda.  Every single piece of opinion based journalism is written or spoken with an agenda or bias.  That is what makes it opinion based.  To act like Jackie doesn't have an agenda is just strange.  Jackie isn't in Brooklyn every day covering the team.  I absolutely maintain the article came off like a hit job.

She didn't just conjure something out of thin air, though.  She might write more along the lines of opinion pieces these days but the fact of the matter is that she's been covering the league for more than 3 decades now in one capacity or another.  You don't spend that much time in the league without developing contacts & sources.   Someone told her this.  Maybe there's an agenda and maybe there isn't but she got this from somewhere. And, of course, the Nets are going to deny this.  He's their shiny new toy and investment.  With KD due back next season, this organization has extremely high hopes.  They're not going to come out and confirm this.  That would be a needless self-inflicted wound.

What's odd is seemingly questioning the credibility of someone like Jackie Mac while running to the defense of a guy that has created well-documented organizational problems in the past.

[Ogaju]

I'm confused as to how a basically Boston beat reporter has any real idea of how the Nets are run.  And I get that she talked with people and has quotes, but I don't think she really has any idea what the Nets are like on a day to day basis. 

And the Nets have all basically come out and said the article was nonsense.  That Irving isn't a problem at all, everyone likes him, there are no issues, etc.

Wow, you mean a team is denying there being problems on the team? Shocking.

Sure, but this wasn't a Nets beat reporter that is well connected with the team writing the article.  That was the main point I was making.  How does Jackie have any real idea what is going on in Brooklyn?  She isn't there everyday.  She doesn't cover them.  Etc. 

It came off like a hit piece from a disgruntled former lover.

Again, its Jackie Mac. She doesn't have some agenda man, she knows because she's very well connected. Its like asking how WOJ knows who every team is gonna draft/sign every year. He isnt a beat writer! How does he know? Its their job to know. Do you think she's making this up? I mean it pretty much tracks with everything everybody else has said about Kyrie at every stop he's been at. This behavior isnt a secret.

Woj is well connected to agents and does have contacts across the league.  But Woj isn't writing stories about team cultures.  He is reporting breaking news.  That is a vastly different type of reporting.  And of course Jackie could have an agenda.  Every single piece of opinion based journalism is written or spoken with an agenda or bias.  That is what makes it opinion based.  To act like Jackie doesn't have an agenda is just strange.  Jackie isn't in Brooklyn every day covering the team.  I absolutely maintain the article came off like a hit job.

She didn't just conjure something out of thin air, though.  She might write more along the lines of opinion pieces these days but the fact of the matter is that she's been covering the league for more than 3 decades now in one capacity or another.  You don't spend that much time in the league without developing contacts & sources.   Someone told her this.  Maybe there's an agenda and maybe there isn't but she got this from somewhere. And, of course, the Nets are going to deny this.  He's their shiny new toy and investment.  With KD due back next season, this organization has extremely high hopes.  They're not going to come out and confirm this.  That would be a needless self-inflicted wound.

What's odd is seemingly questioning the credibility of someone like Jackie Mac while running to the defense of a guy that has created well-documented organizational problems in the past.

It is the nature of 'The Artist' as KD tags him to cause friction and sow seeds of discontent.

[keevsnick]

I'm confused as to how a basically Boston beat reporter has any real idea of how the Nets are run.  And I get that she talked with people and has quotes, but I don't think she really has any idea what the Nets are like on a day to day basis. 

And the Nets have all basically come out and said the article was nonsense.  That Irving isn't a problem at all, everyone likes him, there are no issues, etc.

Wow, you mean a team is denying there being problems on the team? Shocking.

Sure, but this wasn't a Nets beat reporter that is well connected with the team writing the article.  That was the main point I was making.  How does Jackie have any real idea what is going on in Brooklyn?  She isn't there everyday.  She doesn't cover them.  Etc. 

It came off like a hit piece from a disgruntled former lover.

Again, its Jackie Mac. She doesn't have some agenda man, she knows because she's very well connected. Its like asking how WOJ knows who every team is gonna draft/sign every year. He isnt a beat writer! How does he know? Its their job to know. Do you think she's making this up? I mean it pretty much tracks with everything everybody else has said about Kyrie at every stop he's been at. This behavior isnt a secret.

Woj is well connected to agents and does have contacts across the league.  But Woj isn't writing stories about team cultures.  He is reporting breaking news.  That is a vastly different type of reporting.  And of course Jackie could have an agenda.  Every single piece of opinion based journalism is written or spoken with an agenda or bias.  That is what makes it opinion based.  To act like Jackie doesn't have an agenda is just strange.  Jackie isn't in Brooklyn every day covering the team.  I absolutely maintain the article came off like a hit job.

I don't know if she has an agenda, but even if she does it doesn't mean what she's writing isnt 100% true. And based of what we know about Kyrie it likely is.

The problem with the bolded is that the writing of a "hit job" and simply reporting on someone acting like Kyrie is are functionally indistinguishable. that probably says something right there.


 

[celticsclay]

I'm confused as to how a basically Boston beat reporter has any real idea of how the Nets are run.  And I get that she talked with people and has quotes, but I don't think she really has any idea what the Nets are like on a day to day basis. 

And the Nets have all basically come out and said the article was nonsense.  That Irving isn't a problem at all, everyone likes him, there are no issues, etc.

Wow, you mean a team is denying there being problems on the team? Shocking.

Sure, but this wasn't a Nets beat reporter that is well connected with the team writing the article.  That was the main point I was making.  How does Jackie have any real idea what is going on in Brooklyn?  She isn't there everyday.  She doesn't cover them.  Etc. 

It came off like a hit piece from a disgruntled former lover.

Again, its Jackie Mac. She doesn't have some agenda man, she knows because she's very well connected. Its like asking how WOJ knows who every team is gonna draft/sign every year. He isnt a beat writer! How does he know? Its their job to know. Do you think she's making this up? I mean it pretty much tracks with everything everybody else has said about Kyrie at every stop he's been at. This behavior isnt a secret.

Woj is well connected to agents and does have contacts across the league.  But Woj isn't writing stories about team cultures.  He is reporting breaking news.  That is a vastly different type of reporting.  And of course Jackie could have an agenda.  Every single piece of opinion based journalism is written or spoken with an agenda or bias.  That is what makes it opinion based.  To act like Jackie doesn't have an agenda is just strange.  Jackie isn't in Brooklyn every day covering the team.  I absolutely maintain the article came off like a hit job.

She didn't just conjure something out of thin air, though.  She might write more along the lines of opinion pieces these days but the fact of the matter is that she's been covering the league for more than 3 decades now in one capacity or another.  You don't spend that much time in the league without developing contacts & sources.   Someone told her this.  Maybe there's an agenda and maybe there isn't but she got this from somewhere. And, of course, the Nets are going to deny this.  He's their shiny new toy and investment.  With KD due back next season, this organization has extremely high hopes.  They're not going to come out and confirm this.  That would be a needless self-inflicted wound.

What's odd is seemingly questioning the credibility of someone like Jackie Mac while running to the defense of a guy that has created well-documented organizational problems in the past.

This is what I find a bit perplexing too. I kind of thought that Jackie Mac was considered by most to be a great old school journalist (I'll admit I thought she has gotten a bit more hot takey when she is on a show like around the horn), however it seems to be a very different thing to suggest she did a hit piece. I am also further confused why she would do this? Irving, despite being weird, seems to have friends around the NBA including Lebron and Durant. I don't think she would her entire career and reputation to just make up stuff about irving. Why would she do that?

[bdm860]

I'm confused as to how a basically Boston beat reporter has any real idea of how the Nets are run.  And I get that she talked with people and has quotes, but I don't think she really has any idea what the Nets are like on a day to day basis. 

And the Nets have all basically come out and said the article was nonsense.  That Irving isn't a problem at all, everyone likes him, there are no issues, etc.

Wow, you mean a team is denying there being problems on the team? Shocking.

Sure, but this wasn't a Nets beat reporter that is well connected with the team writing the article.  That was the main point I was making.  How does Jackie have any real idea what is going on in Brooklyn?  She isn't there everyday.  She doesn't cover them.  Etc. 

It came off like a hit piece from a disgruntled former lover.

Again, its Jackie Mac. She doesn't have some agenda man, she knows because she's very well connected. Its like asking how WOJ knows who every team is gonna draft/sign every year. He isnt a beat writer! How does he know? Its their job to know. Do you think she's making this up? I mean it pretty much tracks with everything everybody else has said about Kyrie at every stop he's been at. This behavior isnt a secret.

Woj is well connected to agents and does have contacts across the league.  But Woj isn't writing stories about team cultures.  He is reporting breaking news.  That is a vastly different type of reporting.  And of course Jackie could have an agenda.  Every single piece of opinion based journalism is written or spoken with an agenda or bias.  That is what makes it opinion based.  To act like Jackie doesn't have an agenda is just strange.  Jackie isn't in Brooklyn every day covering the team.  I absolutely maintain the article came off like a hit job.

She didn't just conjure something out of thin air, though.  She might write more along the lines of opinion pieces these days but the fact of the matter is that she's been covering the league for more than 3 decades now in one capacity or another.  You don't spend that much time in the league without developing contacts & sources.   Someone told her this.  Maybe there's an agenda and maybe there isn't but she got this from somewhere. And, of course, the Nets are going to deny this.  He's their shiny new toy and investment.  With KD due back next season, this organization has extremely high hopes.  They're not going to come out and confirm this.  That would be a needless self-inflicted wound.

What's odd is seemingly questioning the credibility of someone like Jackie Mac while running to the defense of a guy that has created well-documented organizational problems in the past.

This is what I find a bit perplexing too. I kind of thought that Jackie Mac was considered by most to be a great old school journalist (I'll admit I thought she has gotten a bit more hot takey when she is on a show like around the horn), however it seems to be a very different thing to suggest she did a hit piece. I am also further confused why she would do this? Irving, despite being weird, seems to have friends around the NBA including Lebron and Durant. I don't think she would her entire career and reputation to just make up stuff about irving. Why would she do that?

Let's not forgot about all the hit pieces Woj has done on LeBron.  Didn't ruin his career.

I don't speak for Moranis, but to me it felt like she was just regurgitating the same stuff she wrote about Kyrie in Boston.  I imagine she has a strong opinion of him already, writing several ESPN articles on Kyrie and speaking about him on podcasts over the years.  Took her Kyrie/Boston article and just updated the team and called it new.

Doesn't mean it's not credible, but also the same thing she's been saying about Kyrie for years.  To me it would have hold more weight if it came from a different, credible source.  Again not that Jackie Mac isn't credible, but she's already a source on him being difficult, this doesn't seem like new info to me.

[dannyboy35]

Cryee is a me 1st person.  He's described by KD as an "artist".  I've never known "artists" to be team players.  Refuses to take off his hat for a team photo just like every other person on the team.  Refuses to do a test just like every other person on the team.  Who would have thought that Cryee is "moody".  No way no how.  Ha.  He's a nice individual player for a team but no way should he have the keys to the car.  He's not and never will be a leader of anything.

Tribute for Cryee?  Yeah right.  Hang big sign that says "Kiss my ass, Cryee".

 
   Seriously. Take the ^**ing hat off you little baby. The Kyrie / Nets side story this year is wonderful. Every game with either team is refreshing to watch ‘cuz he’s not here.

[celticsclay]

I'm confused as to how a basically Boston beat reporter has any real idea of how the Nets are run.  And I get that she talked with people and has quotes, but I don't think she really has any idea what the Nets are like on a day to day basis. 

And the Nets have all basically come out and said the article was nonsense.  That Irving isn't a problem at all, everyone likes him, there are no issues, etc.

Wow, you mean a team is denying there being problems on the team? Shocking.

Sure, but this wasn't a Nets beat reporter that is well connected with the team writing the article.  That was the main point I was making.  How does Jackie have any real idea what is going on in Brooklyn?  She isn't there everyday.  She doesn't cover them.  Etc. 

It came off like a hit piece from a disgruntled former lover.

Again, its Jackie Mac. She doesn't have some agenda man, she knows because she's very well connected. Its like asking how WOJ knows who every team is gonna draft/sign every year. He isnt a beat writer! How does he know? Its their job to know. Do you think she's making this up? I mean it pretty much tracks with everything everybody else has said about Kyrie at every stop he's been at. This behavior isnt a secret.

Woj is well connected to agents and does have contacts across the league.  But Woj isn't writing stories about team cultures.  He is reporting breaking news.  That is a vastly different type of reporting.  And of course Jackie could have an agenda.  Every single piece of opinion based journalism is written or spoken with an agenda or bias.  That is what makes it opinion based.  To act like Jackie doesn't have an agenda is just strange.  Jackie isn't in Brooklyn every day covering the team.  I absolutely maintain the article came off like a hit job.

She didn't just conjure something out of thin air, though.  She might write more along the lines of opinion pieces these days but the fact of the matter is that she's been covering the league for more than 3 decades now in one capacity or another.  You don't spend that much time in the league without developing contacts & sources.   Someone told her this.  Maybe there's an agenda and maybe there isn't but she got this from somewhere. And, of course, the Nets are going to deny this.  He's their shiny new toy and investment.  With KD due back next season, this organization has extremely high hopes.  They're not going to come out and confirm this.  That would be a needless self-inflicted wound.

What's odd is seemingly questioning the credibility of someone like Jackie Mac while running to the defense of a guy that has created well-documented organizational problems in the past.

This is what I find a bit perplexing too. I kind of thought that Jackie Mac was considered by most to be a great old school journalist (I'll admit I thought she has gotten a bit more hot takey when she is on a show like around the horn), however it seems to be a very different thing to suggest she did a hit piece. I am also further confused why she would do this? Irving, despite being weird, seems to have friends around the NBA including Lebron and Durant. I don't think she would her entire career and reputation to just make up stuff about irving. Why would she do that?

Let's not forgot about all the hit pieces Woj has done on LeBron.  Didn't ruin his career.

I don't speak for Moranis, but to me it felt like she was just regurgitating the same stuff she wrote about Kyrie in Boston.  I imagine she has a strong opinion of him already, writing several ESPN articles on Kyrie and speaking about him on podcasts over the years.  Took her Kyrie/Boston article and just updated the team and called it new.

Doesn't mean it's not credible, but also the same thing she's been saying about Kyrie for years.  To me it would have hold more weight if it came from a different, credible source.  Again not that Jackie Mac isn't credible, but she's already a source on him being difficult, this doesn't seem like new info to me.

On the nba ringer podcast the other day one of the hosts shared a story of a photographer in China a few weeks ago telling him hat kyrie asked to not be shot in warmups, something he had never had happen in 20 years in the business. He was also told every photographer there had been asked the same thing. Are we to think the ringer hosts (who are not Boston fans) randomly wanted to pile on with kyrie being difficult to support a “hit piece” written by Jackie Mac? This just keeps getting stranger.

[Celtics17]

I think we all dislike Kyrie but can't we quit 'beating a dead horse' before he falls off the edge of the flat earth? Sorry, I couldnt resist that one but really let'd focus on the positives of the Celtics and forget this guy!

The Nets can deal with him and will have to. He may really have mental health issues and one thing is for certain he is a cancer to most teams he has played for. That being said, let's find another topic.

[Spicoli]

Kobe used to be my most hated player ever (because of his cockiness). Kyrie now has that title. Kyrie is not only cocky, but a liar and a quitter. Very bad combination.

[Phantom255x]

It's actually bizarre to me that there are people here actually defending Kyrie and saying he didn't quit on the team 

Kyrie himself said to the media, "it was always Brooklyn", and he also lied when he said, "I'll stay" to the TD Garden crowd before the season started (ugh...). Ainge and Wyc numerous times have stated they felt back in March of 2019 that Kyrie was going to leave, and they've also taken numerous shots at Kyrie when they say, "team basketball" and "wanting to have fun when coming into work".

Hell, there's literally reports now stating Brooklyn officials are feeling "queasy" about Kyrie's mood swings 

I mean.... sure, we had other egos (like Rozier seemingly), and other issues, but please lets stop acting like Kyrie was some "victim" in all this and that there was a "hit job" done against him with the reporting. Nope.

I mean, I find it hard to believe Gorman is lying when he brings up the experiences he had with Kyrie during his time here (which showed how classless Kyrie was). Jackie Mac to me doesn't sound like someone who just creates hit pieces like a Dan Shaughnessy either.

[trickybilly]

::Don't be vindictive, don't be vindictive, don't be vindictive::

BAHAHAHAHAHA!!! KYrie is getting BLOWN OUT by Indy, while we are in a knife fight with the ECF favs!!!

[tarheelsxxiii]

TP, tar.