WojBomb - Cavs evaluating options after IT physical...

[Roy H.]

The Milwaukee Bucks lurk on the fringes of the Irving bidding with an offer centered around Malcolm Brogdon, the reigning NBA Rookie of the Year, and Khris Middleton, sources say. The Bucks have not yet put a first-round pick on the table, sources say, but the bet here is that they would to get the deal done -- or if Irving showed any interest in staying in Milwaukee long-term.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20501557/zach-lowe-celtics-cavaliers-kyrie-irving-isaiah-thomas-trade-nba

Ugh so apparently the Bucks are lurking and this could be part of the hold up. Cleveland waiting to see who and if anybody will up their offer. This just seems like bad negotiationg and dirty tactics.

Maybe the Bucks  are holding off on offering their first rounder, because they know that they would lose it to the Celtics in a tampering claim. Teams are not allowed to make trade offers on players in a pending transaction.

[CelticsElite]

The Milwaukee Bucks lurk on the fringes of the Irving bidding with an offer centered around Malcolm Brogdon, the reigning NBA Rookie of the Year, and Khris Middleton, sources say. The Bucks have not yet put a first-round pick on the table, sources say, but the bet here is that they would to get the deal done -- or if Irving showed any interest in staying in Milwaukee long-term.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20501557/zach-lowe-celtics-cavaliers-kyrie-irving-isaiah-thomas-trade-nba

Ugh so apparently the Bucks are lurking and this could be part of the hold up. Cleveland waiting to see who and if anybody will up their offer. This just seems like bad negotiationg and dirty tactics.

The team around him in Milwaukee with be very, very average without those 2 guys. Boston gives Kyrie the better chance to win now and in the long run.

That just isn't true as Giannis is by the far best player and the best future player on either of those two teams.  You win with top end talent, and the Bucks have the best top end talent.  Now sure Parker, Maker, Snell, Monroe, Delly, and Henson aren't great (though Parker certainly could be if he could ever get healthy), but Giannis is just special.

if giannis was special, he'd be able to hit a jumpshot more than once per game, and he'd not get swept in the playoffs.

[Moranis]

You've all been had by ESPN click baiting.

"Multiple sources told cleveland.com that as of Tuesday afternoon, Cleveland hasn't asked the Celtics for anything extra."

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2017/08/cavaliers-celtics_trade_is_tre.html#incart_2box

I keep harping on this point, because Woj is just speculating.  The Cavs haven't asked the Celtics for a thing at this point.  Maybe they will, but maybe they won't, and until they do it is nothing more than unsupported speculation.

You do realize that there's a difference between "afternoon" and "evening/night," right?

Woj's story didn't come out until like 8 or 9 yesterday evening, which is when the Cavs supposedly finally engaged the Celtics about additional compensation. Your link above says Tuesday afternoon, which was written several hours prior to Woj's latest report.

Sure, but Woj has been making these reports since the trade.

what does it matter? ive noticed a lot of hating on woj recently. why are people hating on the messenger?  can you prove he's lying?

Woj has made a lot of reports in the last week that have been denied by both teams.  I don't like the click baiting drama these reports create.  It is all speculation opinion based reporting, and not factual reporting.  Woj just isn't very good at that. He is great at his fact based stuff, I'm just not seeing it here.  I mean look at all the ESPN Woj articles from this thread in the last week, and then figure out how much of it is actually factual.  Just not a lot, which Woj basically confirms himself with his additional reports which contradict some of the earlier stuff.

[fairweatherfan]

The Milwaukee Bucks lurk on the fringes of the Irving bidding with an offer centered around Malcolm Brogdon, the reigning NBA Rookie of the Year, and Khris Middleton, sources say. The Bucks have not yet put a first-round pick on the table, sources say, but the bet here is that they would to get the deal done -- or if Irving showed any interest in staying in Milwaukee long-term.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20501557/zach-lowe-celtics-cavaliers-kyrie-irving-isaiah-thomas-trade-nba

Ugh so apparently the Bucks are lurking and this could be part of the hold up. Cleveland waiting to see who and if anybody will up their offer. This just seems like bad negotiationg and dirty tactics.

Maybe the Bucks  are holding off on offering their first rounder, because they know that they would lose it to the Celtics in a tampering claim. Teams are not allowed to make trade offers on players in a pending transaction.

Thanks for this, I asked this question a couple days ago and nobody knew for sure. There's always a backchannel way of doing this stuff but undercutting a trade that's been filed but not finalized seemed like it wouldn't be allowed.

[j804]

The Milwaukee Bucks lurk on the fringes of the Irving bidding with an offer centered around Malcolm Brogdon, the reigning NBA Rookie of the Year, and Khris Middleton, sources say. The Bucks have not yet put a first-round pick on the table, sources say, but the bet here is that they would to get the deal done -- or if Irving showed any interest in staying in Milwaukee long-term.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20501557/zach-lowe-celtics-cavaliers-kyrie-irving-isaiah-thomas-trade-nba

Ugh so apparently the Bucks are lurking and this could be part of the hold up. Cleveland waiting to see who and if anybody will up their offer. This just seems like bad negotiationg and dirty tactics.

The team around him in Milwaukee with be very, very average without those 2 guys. Boston gives Kyrie the better chance to win now and in the long run.

That just isn't true as Giannis is by the far best player and the best future player on either of those two teams.  You win with top end talent, and the Bucks have the best top end talent.  Now sure Parker, Maker, Snell, Monroe, Delly, and Henson aren't great (though Parker certainly could be if he could ever get healthy), but Giannis is just special.

Exactly, I'm guessing he'd be thrilled to play with Giannis. You can argue our package is better even with a Bucks first but if there was any hesitancy of dealing him to Boston who is right behind Clevelands butt and more in a win now mode they could feel easier unloading him there.

They could be waiting for the a veto then come with their offer. This thing is far from finished.

[celticinorlando]

Cavs can't field other offers but their actions and the information coming out right now is a sign they are still willing to listen. If not, this deal would be all done

[Fafnir]

Cavs can't field other offers but their actions and the information coming out right now is a sign they are still willing to listen. If not, this deal would be all done

Uh, sure they can.

I mean teams can't talk to players when they're under contract with another team as well. If the Suns were willing to up the bidding for Irving they know how to get a message without leaving a electronic/paper trail.

[chilidawg]

The Milwaukee Bucks lurk on the fringes of the Irving bidding with an offer centered around Malcolm Brogdon, the reigning NBA Rookie of the Year, and Khris Middleton, sources say. The Bucks have not yet put a first-round pick on the table, sources say, but the bet here is that they would to get the deal done -- or if Irving showed any interest in staying in Milwaukee long-term.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20501557/zach-lowe-celtics-cavaliers-kyrie-irving-isaiah-thomas-trade-nba

Ugh so apparently the Bucks are lurking and this could be part of the hold up. Cleveland waiting to see who and if anybody will up their offer. This just seems like bad negotiationg and dirty tactics.

The team around him in Milwaukee with be very, very average without those 2 guys. Boston gives Kyrie the better chance to win now and in the long run.

That just isn't true as Giannis is by the far best player and the best future player on either of those two teams.  You win with top end talent, and the Bucks have the best top end talent.  Now sure Parker, Maker, Snell, Monroe, Delly, and Henson aren't great (though Parker certainly could be if he could ever get healthy), but Giannis is just special.

if giannis was special, he'd be able to hit a jumpshot more than once per game, and he'd not get swept in the playoffs.

Wow.   He's 22.  And getting swept in the playoffs has happened to a lot of great players, and depends far more on the team around you.   Complete fail in basketball understanding.

[jpotter33]

The Milwaukee Bucks lurk on the fringes of the Irving bidding with an offer centered around Malcolm Brogdon, the reigning NBA Rookie of the Year, and Khris Middleton, sources say. The Bucks have not yet put a first-round pick on the table, sources say, but the bet here is that they would to get the deal done -- or if Irving showed any interest in staying in Milwaukee long-term.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20501557/zach-lowe-celtics-cavaliers-kyrie-irving-isaiah-thomas-trade-nba

Ugh so apparently the Bucks are lurking and this could be part of the hold up. Cleveland waiting to see who and if anybody will up their offer. This just seems like bad negotiationg and dirty tactics.

Maybe the Bucks  are holding off on offering their first rounder, because they know that they would lose it to the Celtics in a tampering claim. Teams are not allowed to make trade offers on players in a pending transaction.

Thanks for this, I asked this question a couple days ago and nobody knew for sure. There's always a backchannel way of doing this stuff but undercutting a trade that's been filed but not finalized seemed like it wouldn't be allowed.

Yeah, TP. This pretty much answers my question on last page.

Still don't think that Bucks offer comes close to ours, though. If they knew Lebron was staying, maybe it would be close. But they have to consider their future if Lebron leaves, too, which that Bucks offer doesn't help with.

[celticinorlando]

The Milwaukee Bucks lurk on the fringes of the Irving bidding with an offer centered around Malcolm Brogdon, the reigning NBA Rookie of the Year, and Khris Middleton, sources say. The Bucks have not yet put a first-round pick on the table, sources say, but the bet here is that they would to get the deal done -- or if Irving showed any interest in staying in Milwaukee long-term.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20501557/zach-lowe-celtics-cavaliers-kyrie-irving-isaiah-thomas-trade-nba

Ugh so apparently the Bucks are lurking and this could be part of the hold up. Cleveland waiting to see who and if anybody will up their offer. This just seems like bad negotiationg and dirty tactics.

The team around him in Milwaukee with be very, very average without those 2 guys. Boston gives Kyrie the better chance to win now and in the long run.

That just isn't true as Giannis is by the far best player and the best future player on either of those two teams.  You win with top end talent, and the Bucks have the best top end talent.  Now sure Parker, Maker, Snell, Monroe, Delly, and Henson aren't great (though Parker certainly could be if he could ever get healthy), but Giannis is just special.

if giannis was special, he'd be able to hit a jumpshot more than once per game, and he'd not get swept in the playoffs.

Wow.   He's 22.  And getting swept in the playoffs has happened to a lot of great players, and depends far more on the team around you.   Complete fail in basketball understanding.

That is the point. Kyrie going there would not make them an instant winner..esp without the guys the Bucks have to ship out. The supporting cast other than Freak would not be nearly as good as in boston.

[Moranis]

The Milwaukee Bucks lurk on the fringes of the Irving bidding with an offer centered around Malcolm Brogdon, the reigning NBA Rookie of the Year, and Khris Middleton, sources say. The Bucks have not yet put a first-round pick on the table, sources say, but the bet here is that they would to get the deal done -- or if Irving showed any interest in staying in Milwaukee long-term.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20501557/zach-lowe-celtics-cavaliers-kyrie-irving-isaiah-thomas-trade-nba

Ugh so apparently the Bucks are lurking and this could be part of the hold up. Cleveland waiting to see who and if anybody will up their offer. This just seems like bad negotiationg and dirty tactics.

The team around him in Milwaukee with be very, very average without those 2 guys. Boston gives Kyrie the better chance to win now and in the long run.

That just isn't true as Giannis is by the far best player and the best future player on either of those two teams.  You win with top end talent, and the Bucks have the best top end talent.  Now sure Parker, Maker, Snell, Monroe, Delly, and Henson aren't great (though Parker certainly could be if he could ever get healthy), but Giannis is just special.

if giannis was special, he'd be able to hit a jumpshot more than once per game, and he'd not get swept in the playoffs.

I'm confused, when did Giannis get swept in the playoffs?  BTW, Michael Jordan was swept multiple times in the playoffs, was he not special?  Larry Bird was swept in the playoffs in multiple seasons after Boston won the title, was he not special?  Magic Johnson was swept in the Finals, was he not special?  The two time defending NBA champion Pistons, were swept by the Bulls in the ECF, was that not a special team?  Kevin Garnett swept multiple times in the playoffs, again not special?

[Moranis]

The Milwaukee Bucks lurk on the fringes of the Irving bidding with an offer centered around Malcolm Brogdon, the reigning NBA Rookie of the Year, and Khris Middleton, sources say. The Bucks have not yet put a first-round pick on the table, sources say, but the bet here is that they would to get the deal done -- or if Irving showed any interest in staying in Milwaukee long-term.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20501557/zach-lowe-celtics-cavaliers-kyrie-irving-isaiah-thomas-trade-nba

Ugh so apparently the Bucks are lurking and this could be part of the hold up. Cleveland waiting to see who and if anybody will up their offer. This just seems like bad negotiationg and dirty tactics.

The team around him in Milwaukee with be very, very average without those 2 guys. Boston gives Kyrie the better chance to win now and in the long run.

That just isn't true as Giannis is by the far best player and the best future player on either of those two teams.  You win with top end talent, and the Bucks have the best top end talent.  Now sure Parker, Maker, Snell, Monroe, Delly, and Henson aren't great (though Parker certainly could be if he could ever get healthy), but Giannis is just special.

if giannis was special, he'd be able to hit a jumpshot more than once per game, and he'd not get swept in the playoffs.

Wow.   He's 22.  And getting swept in the playoffs has happened to a lot of great players, and depends far more on the team around you.   Complete fail in basketball understanding.

funny thing is, the Bucks haven't been swept in the playoffs with Giannis.  They made the playoffs 2 of his 4 seasons and lost 4-2 both times.  Last time I checked if you win 2 games, you aren't swept. 

EDIT: And last season in the playoffs, Giannis shot 55% from 2 and 40% from 3 and averaged 24.8/9.5/4 with 2.2 steals and 1.7 blocks

[j804]

If I'm Danny and Cleveland tries to extend this deadline to the weekend I pull the offer, keep the pick and put the focus toward AD. We now know what's going on behind the scenes. This is dirty I tell them take it or leave it and move on.

[GreenShooter]

The Milwaukee Bucks lurk on the fringes of the Irving bidding with an offer centered around Malcolm Brogdon, the reigning NBA Rookie of the Year, and Khris Middleton, sources say. The Bucks have not yet put a first-round pick on the table, sources say, but the bet here is that they would to get the deal done -- or if Irving showed any interest in staying in Milwaukee long-term.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20501557/zach-lowe-celtics-cavaliers-kyrie-irving-isaiah-thomas-trade-nba

Ugh so apparently the Bucks are lurking and this could be part of the hold up. Cleveland waiting to see who and if anybody will up their offer. This just seems like bad negotiationg and dirty tactics.

The team around him in Milwaukee with be very, very average without those 2 guys. Boston gives Kyrie the better chance to win now and in the long run.

That just isn't true as Giannis is by the far best player and the best future player on either of those two teams.  You win with top end talent, and the Bucks have the best top end talent.  Now sure Parker, Maker, Snell, Monroe, Delly, and Henson aren't great (though Parker certainly could be if he could ever get healthy), but Giannis is just special.

if giannis was special, he'd be able to hit a jumpshot more than once per game, and he'd not get swept in the playoffs.

Wow.   He's 22.  And getting swept in the playoffs has happened to a lot of great players, and depends far more on the team around you.   Complete fail in basketball understanding.

Completely took the words out of my mouth. TP

[gouki88]

The Milwaukee Bucks lurk on the fringes of the Irving bidding with an offer centered around Malcolm Brogdon, the reigning NBA Rookie of the Year, and Khris Middleton, sources say. The Bucks have not yet put a first-round pick on the table, sources say, but the bet here is that they would to get the deal done -- or if Irving showed any interest in staying in Milwaukee long-term.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20501557/zach-lowe-celtics-cavaliers-kyrie-irving-isaiah-thomas-trade-nba

Ugh so apparently the Bucks are lurking and this could be part of the hold up. Cleveland waiting to see who and if anybody will up their offer. This just seems like bad negotiationg and dirty tactics.

The team around him in Milwaukee with be very, very average without those 2 guys. Boston gives Kyrie the better chance to win now and in the long run.

That just isn't true as Giannis is by the far best player and the best future player on either of those two teams.  You win with top end talent, and the Bucks have the best top end talent.  Now sure Parker, Maker, Snell, Monroe, Delly, and Henson aren't great (though Parker certainly could be if he could ever get healthy), but Giannis is just special.

if giannis was special, he'd be able to hit a jumpshot more than once per game, and he'd not get swept in the playoffs.

LeBron was a terrible shooter at age 22 and he turned out alright.

Not saying Giannis is the next LeBron, but to say he's not special is pretty far out there.

He's a 7' point forward with insane length, good defensive ability and is just coming off a 23/9/5 season. Hard to say that's not special for a 22 year old.