WojBomb - Cavs evaluating options after IT physical...

[Tr1boy]

the thing the Cavs can keep "play" on is that

Per Celtics analysis, what they believe is that IT4 may not be ready at the beginning of the season...but will be ready soon after  (and even CBS/Danny made it sound this way)

The Cavs can say on the other hand....  there is a decent chance, he will miss the 1st half of the season. We don't want to take any chances and bring him back too quickly.  There is also a small chance if he comesback, reinjures or surgery is the best course of action.....well we are out of a player. A player we were going to depend on , to do some heavy lifting

Danny can disagree with this assessment....at the end of the day nobody knows for sure.   

Just add the multiple 2nds and get this done.    If the Cavs balk at this addition,  I would then take it up with the league  and let them intervene. 

[Ogaju]

the thing the Cavs can keep "play" on is that

Per Celtics analysis, what they believe is that IT4 may not be ready at the beginning of the season...but will be ready soon after  (and even CBS/Danny made it sound this way)

The Cavs can say on the other hand....  there is a decent chance, he will miss the 1st half of the season. We don't want to take any chances and bring him back too quickly.  There is also a small chance if he comesback, reinjures or surgery is the best course of action.....well we are out of a player. A player we were going to depend on , to do some heavy lifting

Danny can disagree with this assessment....at the end of the day nobody knows for sure.   

Just add the multiple 2nds and get this done.    If the Cavs balk at this addition,  I would then take it up with the league  and let them intervene.

I disagree, no reasonable medical doctor can guarantee a prognosis in this situation. As long as Celtics gave full disclosure of the diagnosis there is not much else to see unless the Cavs come up with a totally different and worse diagnosis.

[CelticsElite]

Can a 2nd rounder be purchased for cash today or is that a draft night thing?

I assume the market of cash for pick is slim right now if its even allowed. I bet teams prefer to see what's Available before giving it up


We don't have a 2018 or a 2019 2nd rounder I don't Think

[smokeablount]

New wojo article on Thomas just now said teams spoke today and cavs have backed off a young player or top line pick being added

Said Thomas is adamant he is not damaged

Link: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20501325/isaiah-thomas-says-return-hip-injury-same-player

The article says:

"The Cavaliers could be inclined to complete the deal for a late first-round pick or second-round considerations, league sources said."

I know many people want them to pound sand, but if 2nd round considerations are all it takes, I'd do it just to be done with this.

Why? They agreed to the trade as is.  Why should they extort another pick?

Because not acquiring a top 12 player in a star's league when you otherwise have no PG, so you can hold onto the 56th pick in a 60 player draft, is madness.

I get the whole "no negotiating with terrorists" thing but the downside if the deal doesn't go through is IMO gigantic enough that an asset I consider to be negligible isn't worth the risk of sinking the ship.

I'm also more interested in the long term, I.E. 7 years of peak Kyrie, than I am in the short term of sticking it to Gilbert and ending up with a worse team.

I'd be stunned if all it took was a 2nd rounder at this point. If Cleveland held up this trade for a week and trashed ITs value just to get a guy who won't even play in the league likely, than my god, the league needs to discipline them. I think this deal will be harder to complete than people think

I agree, but I wonder if it's true and the 2nd rounder is just a moral victory for the fans. Who knows.

[Tr1boy]

the thing the Cavs can keep "play" on is that

Per Celtics analysis, what they believe is that IT4 may not be ready at the beginning of the season...but will be ready soon after  (and even CBS/Danny made it sound this way)

The Cavs can say on the other hand....  there is a decent chance, he will miss the 1st half of the season. We don't want to take any chances and bring him back too quickly.  There is also a small chance if he comesback, reinjures or surgery is the best course of action.....well we are out of a player. A player we were going to depend on , to do some heavy lifting

Danny can disagree with this assessment....at the end of the day nobody knows for sure.   

Just add the multiple 2nds and get this done.    If the Cavs balk at this addition,  I would then take it up with the league  and let them intervene.

I disagree, no reasonable medical doctor can guarantee a prognosis in this situation. As long as Celtics gave full disclosure of the diagnosis there is not much else to see unless the Cavs come up with a totally different and worse diagnosis.

at the end of the day the only thing Cavs care about is.... how much time will IT4 miss and when he will be back to normal

Medical personnel can estimate

This is where the disagreement seems to be between the two teams. 

[celticinorlando]

All this to have a second round pick being added? Don't the Cavs have something better to do?

[j804]

I love how the Cavs fans on Reddit were talking so much trash like they are going to fleece the Celts for more assets. Now after the Woj report its a ghost town. 

Lol

[Tr1boy]

All this to have a second round pick being added? Don't the Cavs have something better to do?

lol...doesn't look like it

they want to terrorise the Celts and Kyrie until the bitter end

[jpotter33]

So, to me it seems that they leaked the original "addition to the trade package due to IT's hip" rumor, because they were trying to leverage Danny into giving up more for the trade (maybe perhaps due to Lebron or the owner not liking the deal - I don't know). However, when that ultimately backfired due to A) it being clear that Danny wasn't giving up anything else of significance, and B) the significant opposition and skepticism regarding the Cavs' motives, they relented and went to the later picks to save face.

Pretty sketchy if you ask me.

I really hope Kyrie puts up like 50 on opening night against them! 

[smokeablount]

So, to me it seems that they leaked the original "addition to the trade package due to IT's hip" rumor, because they were trying to leverage Danny into giving up more for the trade (maybe perhaps due to Lebron or the owner not liking the deal - I don't know). However, when that ultimately backfired due to A) it being clear that Danny wasn't giving anything else of significance up, and B) the significant opposition and skepticism regarding the Cavs' motives, they relented and went to the later picks to save face.

Pretty sketchy if you ask me.

I really hope Kyrie puts up like 50 on opening night against them! 

So do we think if they don't get a weak pick and "save face" that the deal won't get done?

[trickybilly]

So, to me it seems that they leaked the original "addition to the trade package due to IT's hip" rumor, because they were trying to leverage Danny into giving up more for the trade (maybe perhaps due to Lebron or the owner not liking the deal - I don't know). However, when that ultimately backfired due to A) it being clear that Danny wasn't giving anything else of significance up, and B) the significant opposition and skepticism regarding the Cavs' motives, they relented and went to the later picks to save face.

Pretty sketchy if you ask me.

I really hope Kyrie puts up like 50 on opening night against them! 

So do we think if they don't get a weak pick and "save face" that the deal won't get done?

I'd gladly give up next year's first rounder. We already have pretty serious roster crunch going on. And we need to add in the Lakers/Sacto high draft pick at some point...

[blink]

So, to me it seems that they leaked the original "addition to the trade package due to IT's hip" rumor, because they were trying to leverage Danny into giving up more for the trade (maybe perhaps due to Lebron or the owner not liking the deal - I don't know). However, when that ultimately backfired due to A) it being clear that Danny wasn't giving anything else of significance up, and B) the significant opposition and skepticism regarding the Cavs' motives, they relented and went to the later picks to save face.

Pretty sketchy if you ask me.

I really hope Kyrie puts up like 50 on opening night against them! 

So do we think if they don't get a weak pick and "save face" that the deal won't get done?

I'd gladly give up next year's first rounder. We already have pretty serious roster crunch going on. And we need to add in the Lakers/Sacto high draft pick at some point...

Why would we do that?  Based on all the reports out there, Clev is caving.  They leaked that they wanted Tatum or Brown, now that is down to a late 1st or 2nd.  I say we stand firm and don't give them anything else.

[slamtheking]

after this debacle, no matter how it turns out, will any quality GM ever deal with Cleveland again?   I can't see how Cleveland comes out of this without a seriously damaged reputation for pulling garbage moves on any trading partners.

[GreenEnvy]

I'm of the opinion to not give them a single thing, not even a 55+ overall second rounder.

This isn't about the quality of the asset we're to give them, it's that nothing more should be given.

The deal we agreed to is it. You want to back out, you do that.

Go take a lesser package with non-lottery picks and role players to a team Kyrie won't waive his kicker for. Good luck with that.

On the flip side, Ainge can up his package to go after someone even bigger if they become available.

[slamtheking]

So, to me it seems that they leaked the original "addition to the trade package due to IT's hip" rumor, because they were trying to leverage Danny into giving up more for the trade (maybe perhaps due to Lebron or the owner not liking the deal - I don't know). However, when that ultimately backfired due to A) it being clear that Danny wasn't giving anything else of significance up, and B) the significant opposition and skepticism regarding the Cavs' motives, they relented and went to the later picks to save face.

Pretty sketchy if you ask me.

I really hope Kyrie puts up like 50 on opening night against them! 

So do we think if they don't get a weak pick and "save face" that the deal won't get done?

I'd gladly give up next year's first rounder. We already have pretty serious roster crunch going on. And we need to add in the Lakers/Sacto high draft pick at some point...

what roster crunch?  a number of end-of-bench signings and rookies?  there's only about half the players on the roster that are pretty certain to beat out any rookies selected in next year's draft. 

keep the 1st.  Cleveland can go pound sand.  if we do end up giving up another asset, I'll be so p---ed if it's more than a second rounder.  I'll still be p---ed if it's even that much