WojBomb - Cavs evaluating options after IT physical...

[merkins]

Not only should the Cavs get nothing extra, but when IT does return he is going to be as motivated as ever to justify some team max him out.  When he is motivated and got that chip on his shoulder he excels. Cavs will reap the benefits of that at some point next year.

That's why I didn't want the Celtics to pay him.  We know what he does when he is out there with something to prove like being in the starting lineup. But what happens when the brinks drops 9 figures at his feet? I'd like to think he stays motivated but at that point he has made it and I wouldn't want to take that risk.

[smokeablount]

So, to me it seems that they leaked the original "addition to the trade package due to IT's hip" rumor, because they were trying to leverage Danny into giving up more for the trade (maybe perhaps due to Lebron or the owner not liking the deal - I don't know). However, when that ultimately backfired due to A) it being clear that Danny wasn't giving anything else of significance up, and B) the significant opposition and skepticism regarding the Cavs' motives, they relented and went to the later picks to save face.

Pretty sketchy if you ask me.

I really hope Kyrie puts up like 50 on opening night against them! 

So do we think if they don't get a weak pick and "save face" that the deal won't get done?

I'd gladly give up next year's first rounder. We already have pretty serious roster crunch going on. And we need to add in the Lakers/Sacto high draft pick at some point...

what roster crunch?  a number of end-of-bench signings and rookies?  there's only about half the players on the roster that are pretty certain to beat out any rookies selected in next year's draft. 

keep the 1st.  Cleveland can go pound sand.  if we do end up giving up another asset, I'll be so p---ed if it's more than a second rounder.  I'll still be p---ed if it's even that much

I get that. Me, I'd be real p---ed if the deal went belly up because we wouldn't give up the 56th pick.

I just really, really don't want the deal to collapse, and giving up that pick is IMO worth it to ensure that it doesn't.

[hpantazo]

Not only should the Cavs get nothing extra, but when IT does return he is going to be as motivated as ever to justify some team max him out.  When he is motivated and got that chip on his shoulder he excels. Cavs will reap the benefits of that at some point next year.

That's why I didn't want the Celtics to pay him.  We know what he does when he is out there with something to prove like being in the starting lineup. But what happens when the brinks drops 9 figures at his feet? I'd like to think he stays motivated but at that point he has made it and I wouldn't want to take that risk.

Maybe that was the point of the Cavs all along for doing this. They knew IT was crushed and would be unmotivated playing for them. Now they ensure he will come in with a lot to prove, even if he doesn't like their front office.

Either that, or they wanted to severely hurt his reputation so that they can re-sign him for less money this summer.

In the end, the only real victim from this process is IT. The Cavs and Celtics will both be fine and the trade will go through. IT however will lose some serious money.

[CelticsElite]

WoJ on tv: "Cleveland thought Boston had not been fully forthcoming on how long until IT will be back on the court"

"Cleveland thought IT could come back earlier in the season. they fear it might be later than expected."

I dont get it. how would we know when IT comes back on the court? how can anyone blame bostons front office? the FO can only guess. The FO and even the doctors arent fortune tellers

[johnnygreen]

Based on the differing opinions on when Isaiah will return, I believe an independent doctor should be used to determine if additional compensation is warranted based on an agreed upon time line. If Cleveland believes Isaiah will miss 3 months of the season, while Boston may see it as one month, then have the independent doctor perform a physical to see if Isaiah is ready for basketball activities at say 2 months into the season. If Isaiah is cleared to play, then no additional compensation should be needed as Boston was forthcoming when the initial deal was agreed upon. If he doesn't clear him at that time, then an agreed upon second round pick would be added. I just don't want to see anything where it's based on number of games played, as Cleveland could easily manipulate that.

[RJ87]

WoJ on tv: "Cleveland thought Boston had not been fully forthcoming on how long until IT will be back on the court"

"Cleveland thought IT could come back earlier in the season. they fear it might be later than expected."

I dont get it. how would we know when IT comes back on the court? how can anyone blame bostons front office? the FO can only guess. The FO and even the doctors arent fortune tellers

I mean... doctors should provide some type of timeline for recovery. 

Personally, I think the Cavs do have genuine concern and its not some evil negotiating tactic. 1.) Labral tears don't magically heal.  2.) He's got FAI so without getting the hip being surgically corrected, it's going to continue shedding the cartilage.

[SparzWizard]

All this to have a second round pick being added? Don't the Cavs have something better to do?

lol...doesn't look like it

they want to terrorise the Celts and Kyrie until the bitter end

Hope Kyrie uses this as a bulletin board material and terrorize the Cavs when they meet on opening night. And again when they meet in the playoffs.

[SparzWizard]

Anyone saw that Tanguay comment? He would throw in a Lakers/Kings pick to complete the Kyrie Irving deal.

He needs to do himself a favor and jump off a building.

[CroCorvus]

Maybe the Cavs are working other deals. Maybe they even do not wan't to keep IT? Maybe they want to ship him and other assets somewhere else? Either way, I expect them to trade Love for Melo, and then sign Wade after he gets buyout from the Bulls.

[Sixth Man]

Anyone saw that Tanguay comment? He would throw in a Lakers/Kings pick to complete the Kyrie Irving deal.

He needs to do himself a favor and jump off a building.

I'm not sure that would be in his self-interest, but I imagine most of the rest of us would break out in wide grins. 

[GreenEnvy]

WoJ on tv: "Cleveland thought Boston had not been fully forthcoming on how long until IT will be back on the court"

"Cleveland thought IT could come back earlier in the season. they fear it might be later than expected."

I dont get it. how would we know when IT comes back on the court? how can anyone blame bostons front office? the FO can only guess. The FO and even the doctors arent fortune tellers

If Cleveland asked Boston how Isaiah is doing and when can he be expected to return to full basketball activities, and Boston said by opening night..... then they examine him and he's still months away, potentially going into 2018, they have a legit gripe.

I highly doubt Danny told Cleveland anything deceitful about his timeframe. His physical wasn't thrown in to this particular trade. It's standard procedure, and it's very difficult/asinine to lie about a players health when agreeing to a deal.

Based on the differing opinions on when Isaiah will return, I believe an independent doctor should be used to determine if additional compensation is warranted based on an agreed upon time line. If Cleveland believes Isaiah will miss 3 months of the season, while Boston may see it as one month, then have the independent doctor perform a physical to see if Isaiah is ready for basketball activities at say 2 months into the season. If Isaiah is cleared to play, then no additional compensation should be needed as Boston was forthcoming when the initial deal was agreed upon. If he doesn't clear him at that time, then an agreed upon second round pick would be added. I just don't want to see anything where it's based on number of games played, as Cleveland could easily manipulate that.

Why would an independent doctor determine the equality of a trade? You can have a league doctor examine him all you want, what's that got to do with anything? Cleveland knew he was injured, and I'm sure Boston was selling him as injured. How injured is now up for debate. If the league can step in and determine if any deceit was attempted by DA, then additional compensation should be granted, as a penalty, to Cleveland. I don't think it should be suggested, but the league penalizes the C's (like they did to OKC) for their mistake. Not Cleveland asking for more otherwise nixing the trade. They already agreed to it knowing Thomas is currently rehabbing. If they don't like their doctors opinion, prove that the C's were acting in bad faith.

[Eja117]

Kinda hilarious how the Cavs have just shot themselves in the foot...twice.

They've basically just screamed to the league "Never deal with us"

while also simultaneously telling the league "A huge piece of the deal we just landed isn't very valuable so if you were thinking of offering something for him just offer less."

Ainge should offer to trade a future first for IT when this is done

[Moranis]

Woj has been doing a lot of reaching on two teams he doesn't have a lot of connections with.  I don't buy anything Woj has been saying as it just doesn't match what others have been saying. 

[GreenShooter]

I'm not sure what CLE is crying about. They knew he had a hip problem. It was public knowledge. When they were discussing a deal with Boston wouldn't they request to see his medical reports prior to agreeing to the deal? I know they do their own physical after a deal is agreed upon but considering IT's injury I would ask to review his medicals before agreeing to any deal. Unless Boston declined this request, CLE has nothing to cry about.

[celticinorlando]

Problem is if Thomas returns he is going to be on the shelf for quite a while IMO. Means rozier and smart have to start at PG. offense will suffer tremendously.

Plus you have no legit starting PG for the future. Would have to deal for one. And this draft is not PG friendly