Simmons + #3, yes.
Ingram + Randle + #2, yes.
Those are about the only two trade downs that I would entertain.
Would you consider a trade down to 3 in the following trade?
#1 + Memphis + Celtics 2018 <---> Simmons + 3
I think people understating what we would effectively be doing for Philly. We would be allowing them to create a big 3 of Fultz/Embiid/Saric. Having 2 good shooters/passers next to Embiid could allow that team to turn into a phenomenal team. Granted it depends on Embiids health, but I don't see Danny just letting Philly fix their roster crunch on a whim.
Heck no.
That Memphis pick is in 2019 and is only 1-8 protected, 1-6 the following year and entirely unprotected in 2021. Of their top 7 players, 4 are old - Carter, Gasol, TA and Randoph. Conley is already 29. Those guys aren't going to get any better and they're losing their first rounder this year. That's a team in decline with no good way to backfill the roster.
In short, there's a fair chance that pick is a lottery pick two years from now. There's no way I'm giving that asset up in what looks like a "throw in".
TP for valuing the pick the same as I do. Because of that value, I think that this trade doesn't make Philly hang up the phone. Simmons is a high level prospect, so we will need to give up assets to get him. I would like to keep the BRK 18 due to the sheer number of bigmen prospect at the top. I believe Simmons would be worth giving up the late lotto potential of the Memphis pick, especially if it meant we could keep the BRK 18, and the 3rd this year.
See, I don't really care if Philly hangs up the phone. Fultz is a better rated prospect than Simmons was, is younger by 2 years and will have one more year under his first contract. When you're talking about the absolute cream of the crop, those things matter greatly. So if Philly decides they have to have Fultz, then it's incumbent upon them to make an offer that is attractive to us. We're not buying, we're selling and we are in the catbird's seat doing it. There aren't equitable deals at this point in the draft. It's why Orlando got Penny (#3) + 3 1st round picks to trade CWeb back in the day. Both were great prospects but CWeb was the more highly rated one and Orlando got a King's ransom to trade him even though they already had Shaq on the roster which made Webber redundant. Penny was the better fit for that team. Yet they still got what they got because that's the price you pay to move up on a consensus #1. So we're not the one calling Philly. They're calling us.
Now if you want to not draft Fultz then it's a different story and your proposal makes more sense. But I don't think that's the case with Danny. He's had his eye on Fultz for quite a while now and it's going to take a strong offer to pry him away.
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