Saric and the 3rd for Fultz?

[slamtheking]

I think there is a possibility this type of trade could happen...especially if cbs/ainge are not big on Fultz

On draft night
To 76ers: Rozier , 2017 1st
To Celtics: Saric, 3rd pick, 39th pick

To Kings: 3rd pick
To Celtics: 5th, 10th

Draft
76ers- Fultz
Lakers- Ball
Kings- Fox
Suns- Jackson
Celtics- Tatum
Magic - Smith Jr.
Wolves - Markkanen
Knicks - Frank Ntilikina
Mavs - Isaac
Celtics - Monk

Celtics lineup
Horford
Saric
Crowder
AB
IT4

Zizic
Tatum
Brown
Smart
Monk

no, no there isn't no matter how many threads you propose this in.  makes no sense to give up a player likely to develop into a top player in the league for Saric and someone who's not.  my god you're unbelievably draft-happy

[Granath]

I just lost my high after considering that. No way I am trading the number 1 pick. We have the chance at a generational talent in Fultz and have been waiting for a 1st pick for a lifetime!

Kevin McHale and Michael Jordan were #3 picks.  They worked out pretty well.

Lebron and Shaq were #1 picks. What's your point?

Before posting more useless examples that are entirely out of context, please read the following: http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

[chilidawg]

Let's look at that trade in this way: Saric and Mike Conley or Andre Iguadala or Danny Granger for Stephen Curry

would you do it then?

Or Saric and John Wall or Jason Kidd or Paul Pierce or Andre Igoudala for a poor man's James Harden.  So many ways you could play the what if game. 

[Granath]

I think there is a possibility this type of trade could happen...especially if cbs/ainge are not big on Fultz

On draft night
To 76ers: Rozier , 2017 1st
To Celtics: Saric, 3rd pick, 39th pick

To Kings: 3rd pick
To Celtics: 5th, 10th

Draft
76ers- Fultz
Lakers- Ball
Kings- Fox
Suns- Jackson
Celtics- Tatum
Magic - Smith Jr.
Wolves - Markkanen
Knicks - Frank Ntilikina
Mavs - Isaac
Celtics - Monk

Celtics lineup
Horford
Saric
Crowder
AB
IT4

Zizic
Tatum
Brown
Smart
Monk

no, no there isn't no matter how many threads you propose this in.  makes no sense to give up a player likely to develop into a top player in the league for Saric and someone who's not.  my god you're unbelievably draft-happy

I agree with you, slam.

Tri just seems to believe that quantity > quality. I think it's due to a lack of research and an inability to properly evaluate talent. If you think everyone is the same then it makes more sense to get more of them. But that's not the case this year and you don't trade the #1 pick when there's a clear consensus on that position.

[chilidawg]

I just lost my high after considering that. No way I am trading the number 1 pick. We have the chance at a generational talent in Fultz and have been waiting for a 1st pick for a lifetime!

Kevin McHale and Michael Jordan were #3 picks.  They worked out pretty well.

Lebron and Shaq were #1 picks. What's your point?

Before posting more useless examples that are entirely out of context, please read the following: http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

From your link the 3 pick has an 85% chance of being a star, and the #1 a 70%, so I don't think you're making the point you want to.

My point is that if you think there's a close separation between guys you have at 1 and 3, you make that trade.  If you think Fultz is a "generational" talent far and above the others (I don't), then you don't. There's no guarantee's obviously.  Having two guys with upside is better than one, sometimes.

[Tr1boy]

I think there is a possibility this type of trade could happen...especially if cbs/ainge are not big on Fultz

On draft night
To 76ers: Rozier , 2017 1st
To Celtics: Saric, 3rd pick, 39th pick

To Kings: 3rd pick
To Celtics: 5th, 10th

Draft
76ers- Fultz
Lakers- Ball
Kings- Fox
Suns- Jackson
Celtics- Tatum
Magic - Smith Jr.
Wolves - Markkanen
Knicks - Frank Ntilikina
Mavs - Isaac
Celtics - Monk

Celtics lineup
Horford
Saric
Crowder
AB
IT4

Zizic
Tatum
Brown
Smart
Monk

no, no there isn't no matter how many threads you propose this in.  makes no sense to give up a player likely to develop into a top player in the league for Saric and someone who's not.  my god you're unbelievably draft-happy

I agree with you, slam.

Tri just seems to believe that quantity > quality. I think it's due to a lack of research and an inability to properly evaluate talent. If you think everyone is the same then it makes more sense to get more of them. But that's not the case this year and you don't trade the #1 pick when there's a clear consensus on that position.

Clear consensus ? From the so called experts that had Dunn at #3 last season?

[Evantime34]

If I'm stepping into Danny Ainge's shoes I'd want Saric, the 3rd pick and a future first. Saric and the 3rd for Fultz is not good value imo.

[celticsclay]

People realize Saric is an average role player right? He doesn't have much athleticism, isn't an amazing shooter. People really want him badly because he had a 2 month stretch against fellow tanking teams where he put up some numbers?

[chilidawg]

I think there is a possibility this type of trade could happen...especially if cbs/ainge are not big on Fultz

On draft night
To 76ers: Rozier , 2017 1st
To Celtics: Saric, 3rd pick, 39th pick

To Kings: 3rd pick
To Celtics: 5th, 10th

Draft
76ers- Fultz
Lakers- Ball
Kings- Fox
Suns- Jackson
Celtics- Tatum
Magic - Smith Jr.
Wolves - Markkanen
Knicks - Frank Ntilikina
Mavs - Isaac
Celtics - Monk

Celtics lineup
Horford
Saric
Crowder
AB
IT4

Zizic
Tatum
Brown
Smart
Monk

no, no there isn't no matter how many threads you propose this in.  makes no sense to give up a player likely to develop into a top player in the league for Saric and someone who's not.  my god you're unbelievably draft-happy

I agree with you, slam.

Tri just seems to believe that quantity > quality. I think it's due to a lack of research and an inability to properly evaluate talent. If you think everyone is the same then it makes more sense to get more of them. But that's not the case this year and you don't trade the #1 pick when there's a clear consensus on that position.

Clear consensus ? From the so called experts that had Dunn at #3 last season?

It's clearly not a clear consensus, because I think differently. 

[clevelandceltic]

These trade downs make very little sense when you listen to what Wyc said but  by all means please continue to talk about trading for a million picks in this draft and next.

[Granath]

I think there is a possibility this type of trade could happen...especially if cbs/ainge are not big on Fultz

On draft night
To 76ers: Rozier , 2017 1st
To Celtics: Saric, 3rd pick, 39th pick

To Kings: 3rd pick
To Celtics: 5th, 10th

Draft
76ers- Fultz
Lakers- Ball
Kings- Fox
Suns- Jackson
Celtics- Tatum
Magic - Smith Jr.
Wolves - Markkanen
Knicks - Frank Ntilikina
Mavs - Isaac
Celtics - Monk

Celtics lineup
Horford
Saric
Crowder
AB
IT4

Zizic
Tatum
Brown
Smart
Monk

no, no there isn't no matter how many threads you propose this in.  makes no sense to give up a player likely to develop into a top player in the league for Saric and someone who's not.  my god you're unbelievably draft-happy

I agree with you, slam.

Tri just seems to believe that quantity > quality. I think it's due to a lack of research and an inability to properly evaluate talent. If you think everyone is the same then it makes more sense to get more of them. But that's not the case this year and you don't trade the #1 pick when there's a clear consensus on that position.

Clear consensus ? From the so called experts that had Dunn at #3 last season?

*facepalm*

Every time I think you might actually have a couple of brain cells to rub together you post something like that and prove me wrong.

Do you not know there's a difference between the first pick and the third? It kind of makes a difference in this case. No, this is like picking Ben Simmons last year. See? That was the first pick.

Even if your example was actually applicable it's wrong. Dunn wasn't a consensus pick at #3. Go back and look at mocks. SI had us picking Brown. Others had Bender. Others had  Hield. Even those who had us selecting Dunn had quotes like "Maybe Dunn, maybe Dragan Bender, maybe Marquese Chriss, maybe Jaylen Brown, maybe Buddy Hield" and "Boston has a decision to make and plenty of names are in play; Kris Dunn, Buddy Hield, Dragan Bender, and more recently Jaylen Brown and Marquese Chriss". In short, there wasn't anywhere near a consensus and no one knew what we were going to do. That's the exact opposite of a consensus choice.

In the future, you might want to try to use a better example and make sure the example is actually correct.

[A Future of Stevens]

Simmons + #3, yes.

Ingram + Randle + #2, yes.

Those are about the only two trade downs that I would entertain.

Would you consider a trade down to 3 in the following trade?

#1 + Memphis + Celtics 2018  <---> Simmons + 3

I think people understating what we would effectively be doing for Philly. We would be allowing them to create a big 3 of Fultz/Embiid/Saric.  Having 2 good shooters/passers next to Embiid could allow that team to turn into a phenomenal team. Granted it depends on Embiids health, but I don't see Danny just letting Philly fix their roster crunch on a whim.

Heck no.

That Memphis pick is in 2019 and is only 1-8 protected, 1-6 the following year and entirely unprotected in 2021. Of their top 7 players, 4 are old - Carter, Gasol, TA and Randoph. Conley is already 29. Those guys aren't going to get any better and they're losing their first rounder this year. That's a team in decline with no good way to backfill the roster.

In short, there's a fair chance that pick is a lottery pick two years from now. There's no way I'm giving that asset up in what looks like a "throw in".

TP for valuing the pick the same as I do. Because of that value, I think that this trade doesn't make Philly hang up the phone. Simmons is a high level prospect, so we will need to give up assets to get him. I would like to keep the BRK 18 due to the sheer number of bigmen prospect at the top. I believe Simmons would be worth giving up the late lotto potential of the Memphis pick, especially if it meant we could keep the BRK 18, and the 3rd this year.

[max215]

People realize Saric is an average role player right? He doesn't have much athleticism, isn't an amazing shooter. People really want him badly because he had a 2 month stretch against fellow tanking teams where he put up some numbers?

People do not understand this. It's absolutely baffling, and among all the weird obsessions I've seen in my 2+ years here, by far the weirdest.

[Tr1boy]

I think there is a possibility this type of trade could happen...especially if cbs/ainge are not big on Fultz

On draft night
To 76ers: Rozier , 2017 1st
To Celtics: Saric, 3rd pick, 39th pick

To Kings: 3rd pick
To Celtics: 5th, 10th

Draft
76ers- Fultz
Lakers- Ball
Kings- Fox
Suns- Jackson
Celtics- Tatum
Magic - Smith Jr.
Wolves - Markkanen
Knicks - Frank Ntilikina
Mavs - Isaac
Celtics - Monk

Celtics lineup
Horford
Saric
Crowder
AB
IT4

Zizic
Tatum
Brown
Smart
Monk

no, no there isn't no matter how many threads you propose this in.  makes no sense to give up a player likely to develop into a top player in the league for Saric and someone who's not.  my god you're unbelievably draft-happy

I agree with you, slam.

Tri just seems to believe that quantity > quality. I think it's due to a lack of research and an inability to properly evaluate talent. If you think everyone is the same then it makes more sense to get more of them. But that's not the case this year and you don't trade the #1 pick when there's a clear consensus on that position.

Clear consensus ? From the so called experts that had Dunn at #3 last season?

*facepalm*

Every time I think you might actually have a couple of brain cells to rub together you post something like that and prove me wrong.

Do you not know there's a difference between the first pick and the third? It kind of makes a difference in this case. No, this is like picking Ben Simmons last year. See? That was the first pick.

Even if your example was actually applicable it's wrong. Dunn wasn't a consensus pick at #3. Go back and look at mocks. SI had us picking Brown. Others had Bender. Others had  Hield. Even those who had us selecting Dunn had quotes like "Maybe Dunn, maybe Dragan Bender, maybe Marquese Chriss, maybe Jaylen Brown, maybe Buddy Hield" and "Boston has a decision to make and plenty of names are in play; Kris Dunn, Buddy Hield, Dragan Bender, and more recently Jaylen Brown and Marquese Chriss". In short, there wasn't anywhere near a consensus and no one knew what we were going to do. That's the exact opposite of a consensus choice.

In the future, you might want to try to use a better example and make sure the example is actually correct.

How many games have you seen Fultz play? Full games?
How was his defense?

[GratefulCs]

People realize Saric is an average role player right? He doesn't have much athleticism, isn't an amazing shooter. People really want him badly because he had a 2 month stretch against fellow tanking teams where he put up some numbers?

People do not understand this. It's absolutely baffling, and among all the weird obsessions I've seen in my 2+ years here, by far the weirdest.

its because of larbrd33