Woj: Sixers plan on moving one of Noel or Okafor "eventually"

[green_bballers13]

https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/801423004446105600

Unsurprisingly, the Sixers have no interest in moving Okafor anymore and are focused solely on trading Noel. This isn't really surprising given that Okafor still has several more cheap rookie contract years compared to Noel, who is getting paid this summer.

So it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that Noel is traded by the deadline, right? It's surprising that not much has been discussed with him on the trade front recently, though I assume that a robust market with several interested teams emerges once he shows that he's healthy again with some playing time.

Of course, finding him enough playing time for that to happen will be a challenge, as Brown openly admits. Danny needs to jump on this ASAP.

Not surprised by this either.  I sure as hell wouldn't trade Okafor if I had him.   His offense continues to look extremely promising and there's actually been some very positive signs regarding his improved defense.  You don't give away a 20 year old 7 footer with star potential.

Trading Noel makes sense though.  I'll be curious to see what they get for him.

I would trade Marcus Smart for Nerlens Noel and Okafor. What do you think?

[alldaboston]

https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/801423004446105600

Unsurprisingly, the Sixers have no interest in moving Okafor anymore and are focused solely on trading Noel. This isn't really surprising given that Okafor still has several more cheap rookie contract years compared to Noel, who is getting paid this summer.

So it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that Noel is traded by the deadline, right? It's surprising that not much has been discussed with him on the trade front recently, though I assume that a robust market with several interested teams emerges once he shows that he's healthy again with some playing time.

Of course, finding him enough playing time for that to happen will be a challenge, as Brown openly admits. Danny needs to jump on this ASAP.

Not surprised by this either.  I sure as hell wouldn't trade Okafor if I had him.   His offense continues to look extremely promising and there's actually been some very positive signs regarding his improved defense.  You don't give away a 20 year old 7 footer with star potential.

Trading Noel makes sense though.  I'll be curious to see what they get for him.

Yep, it'll be very interesting to see what they end up getting for him. It'll definitely not be worth his true value given his contract status and Philly's situation. I'm not prepared to give up too much for him, such as a Brooklyn pick, but if he ends up getting traded for something of comparable value to Rozier and the Memphis pick, I'll be ticked.

I legitimately think he'd make us a contender with his increased rebounding and interior defense. He's exactly what we need at the moment.

Well his rebounding isn't that good, right? I read on here it's no better than Amir's career rebound rate.

And while I disagree that he makes us a contender, he would certainly make our defense even better than it's been recently. I just hate the thought of paying him a max contract. We would also have to worry about 2 RFAs instead of 1 this upcoming summer, and we would be essentiallly giving up on signing any big outside free agents.

[LooseCannon]

If you want Noel before the trade deadline, I think Philly asks for assets commensurate with the idea that his new team will match any offer sheet.  At the deadline, I think they come down on price a bit, but won't just give him away to the highest bidder for the sake of trading him.

[max215]

https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/801423004446105600

Unsurprisingly, the Sixers have no interest in moving Okafor anymore and are focused solely on trading Noel. This isn't really surprising given that Okafor still has several more cheap rookie contract years compared to Noel, who is getting paid this summer.

So it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that Noel is traded by the deadline, right? It's surprising that not much has been discussed with him on the trade front recently, though I assume that a robust market with several interested teams emerges once he shows that he's healthy again with some playing time.

Of course, finding him enough playing time for that to happen will be a challenge, as Brown openly admits. Danny needs to jump on this ASAP.

I will say that Kyler has always reacted really negatively toward anyone who suggests that Jah might be moved. I'm not suggesting that he's unreliable, but it is always important to consider why information is out there. I doubt Kyler has anyone reason to engage in shenanigans, but maybe his source has some motive to get that info out there. I think a safe rule is to take any report with a grain of salt unless it comes from Woj.

[LarBrd33]

https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/801423004446105600

Unsurprisingly, the Sixers have no interest in moving Okafor anymore and are focused solely on trading Noel. This isn't really surprising given that Okafor still has several more cheap rookie contract years compared to Noel, who is getting paid this summer.

So it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that Noel is traded by the deadline, right? It's surprising that not much has been discussed with him on the trade front recently, though I assume that a robust market with several interested teams emerges once he shows that he's healthy again with some playing time.

Of course, finding him enough playing time for that to happen will be a challenge, as Brown openly admits. Danny needs to jump on this ASAP.

Not surprised by this either.  I sure as hell wouldn't trade Okafor if I had him.   His offense continues to look extremely promising and his last couple games have shown some signs of improved defense.  You don't give away a 7 footer with star potential.

Trading Noel makes sense though.  I'll be curious to see what they get for him.

[dang], 19000 posts?  How long have you been a member?

I think since 2005.  Whenever the site launched.  Our profiles only go back to December 2006, because that's when they switched to a new forum. 

[jpotter33]

If you want Noel before the trade deadline, I think Philly asks for assets commensurate with the idea that his new team will match any offer sheet.  At the deadline, I think they come down on price a bit, but won't just give him away to the highest bidder for the sake of trading him.

I don't buy this part. They're pretty much forced to trade him at this point, even if it's for pennies on the dollar. By all accounts from every source, Noel and the team are on different wavelengths and priorities. They're simply not going to pay him this summer, and they might as well pick up something for him rather than nothing at all.

And if they do try and match offer sheets this summer and trade him later on while only playing him very minimal minutes with their major logjam, they'll ruin their relationship with players and agents across the league and will do considerable damage to themselves over the long run. The Colangelos know this, which is why they won't do it. The NBA is a relationship-driven league, and screwing over a player/agent like this is just terrible business.

[jpotter33]

https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/801423004446105600

Unsurprisingly, the Sixers have no interest in moving Okafor anymore and are focused solely on trading Noel. This isn't really surprising given that Okafor still has several more cheap rookie contract years compared to Noel, who is getting paid this summer.

So it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that Noel is traded by the deadline, right? It's surprising that not much has been discussed with him on the trade front recently, though I assume that a robust market with several interested teams emerges once he shows that he's healthy again with some playing time.

Of course, finding him enough playing time for that to happen will be a challenge, as Brown openly admits. Danny needs to jump on this ASAP.

I will say that Kyler has always reacted really negatively toward anyone who suggests that Jah might be moved. I'm not suggesting that he's unreliable, but it is always important to consider why information is out there. I doubt Kyler has anyone reason to engage in shenanigans, but maybe his source has some motive to get that info out there. I think a safe rule is to take any report with a grain of salt unless it comes from Woj.

Well, I mean it's not like this is something that's pretty controversial. It would seem logical that they would want to keep Okafor over Noel. Not only does Okafor have several more cheap years, there's also noted tension between Noel and the organization at this point due to the logjam.

[Eddie20]

Had this another thread, but it's probably more applicable here.


Just to point out what an awful rebounder Okafor is:

He's averaging 3.5 RPG in 20 MPG. Over his last 5 games, you know now that the rust is off, he's averaged 2.8 RPG in 21.MPG. He has grabbed 14 rebounds over his last 106 minutes. For comparison, "small" 2 guard Avery Bradley is averaging 8.1 RPG in 35.7 MPG.

So he doesn't just suck at defense...

[max215]

https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/801423004446105600

Unsurprisingly, the Sixers have no interest in moving Okafor anymore and are focused solely on trading Noel. This isn't really surprising given that Okafor still has several more cheap rookie contract years compared to Noel, who is getting paid this summer.

So it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that Noel is traded by the deadline, right? It's surprising that not much has been discussed with him on the trade front recently, though I assume that a robust market with several interested teams emerges once he shows that he's healthy again with some playing time.

Of course, finding him enough playing time for that to happen will be a challenge, as Brown openly admits. Danny needs to jump on this ASAP.

I will say that Kyler has always reacted really negatively toward anyone who suggests that Jah might be moved. I'm not suggesting that he's unreliable, but it is always important to consider why information is out there. I doubt Kyler has anyone reason to engage in shenanigans, but maybe his source has some motive to get that info out there. I think a safe rule is to take any report with a grain of salt unless it comes from Woj.

Well, I mean it's not like this is something that's pretty controversial. It would seem logical that they would want to keep Okafor over Noel. Not only does Okafor have several more cheap years, there's also noted tension between Noel and the organization at this point due to the logjam.

True, true. I still tend to think that there's no place for Okafor there long-term.

[Vox_Populi]

Had this another thread, but it's probably more applicable here.


Just to point out what an awful rebounder Okafor is:

He's averaging 3.5 RPG in 20 MPG. Over his last 5 games, you know now that the rust is off, he's averaged 2.8 RPG in 21.MPG. He has grabbed 14 rebounds over his last 106 minutes. For comparison, "small" 2 guard Avery Bradley is averaging 8.1 RPG in 35.7 MPG.

So he doesn't just suck at defense...

Zach Lowe said in one of his last couple of podcasts, the probable future of the post player that can't defend or pass is that of the primary bench scorer. If I recall, he even mentioned Okafor as one of them by name.

But at least he's young.

[jpotter33]

https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/801423004446105600

Unsurprisingly, the Sixers have no interest in moving Okafor anymore and are focused solely on trading Noel. This isn't really surprising given that Okafor still has several more cheap rookie contract years compared to Noel, who is getting paid this summer.

So it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that Noel is traded by the deadline, right? It's surprising that not much has been discussed with him on the trade front recently, though I assume that a robust market with several interested teams emerges once he shows that he's healthy again with some playing time.

Of course, finding him enough playing time for that to happen will be a challenge, as Brown openly admits. Danny needs to jump on this ASAP.

I will say that Kyler has always reacted really negatively toward anyone who suggests that Jah might be moved. I'm not suggesting that he's unreliable, but it is always important to consider why information is out there. I doubt Kyler has anyone reason to engage in shenanigans, but maybe his source has some motive to get that info out there. I think a safe rule is to take any report with a grain of salt unless it comes from Woj.

Well, I mean it's not like this is something that's pretty controversial. It would seem logical that they would want to keep Okafor over Noel. Not only does Okafor have several more cheap years, there's also noted tension between Noel and the organization at this point due to the logjam.

True, true. I still tend to think that there's no place for Okafor there long-term.

Oh, same here. But for now, I think they're fine with keeping him off the bench behind Embiid until he shows that he can play for a full year without getting injured. It'll probably end up like a Kanter situation eventually.

[Eddie20]

Had this another thread, but it's probably more applicable here.


Just to point out what an awful rebounder Okafor is:

He's averaging 3.5 RPG in 20 MPG. Over his last 5 games, you know now that the rust is off, he's averaged 2.8 RPG in 21.MPG. He has grabbed 14 rebounds over his last 106 minutes. For comparison, "small" 2 guard Avery Bradley is averaging 8.1 RPG in 35.7 MPG.

So he doesn't just suck at defense...

Zach Lowe said in one of his last couple of podcasts, the probable future of the post player that can't defend, rebound, or pass is that of the primary bench scorer. If I recall, he even mentioned Okafor as one of them by name.

But at least he's young.

I added rebounding to the mix. But at least Okafor brings the added caveats of not being lazy, always healthy, and a model citizen.

[LarBrd33]

Had this another thread, but it's probably more applicable here.


Just to point out what an awful rebounder Okafor is:

He's averaging 3.5 RPG in 20 MPG. Over his last 5 games, you know now that the rust is off, he's averaged 2.8 RPG in 21.MPG. He has grabbed 14 rebounds over his last 106 minutes. For comparison, "small" 2 guard Avery Bradley is averaging 8.1 RPG in 35.7 MPG.

So he doesn't just suck at defense...

Zach Lowe said in one of his last couple of podcasts, the probable future of the post player that can't defend, rebound, or pass is that of the primary bench scorer. If I recall, he even mentioned Okafor as one of them by name.

But at least he's young.

I added rebounding to the mix. But at least Okafor brings the added caveats of not being lazy, always healthy, and a model citizen.

The recent news that they are likely keeping Okafor is a bummer.  It's not often you get a chance to realistically acquire a 20 year old 7 footer with star potential.  Oh well.  Kid keeps improving.  His defense has looked pretty decent lately. 

[LooseCannon]

If you want Noel before the trade deadline, I think Philly asks for assets commensurate with the idea that his new team will match any offer sheet.  At the deadline, I think they come down on price a bit, but won't just give him away to the highest bidder for the sake of trading him.

I don't buy this part. They're pretty much forced to trade him at this point, even if it's for pennies on the dollar. By all accounts from every source, Noel and the team are on different wavelengths and priorities. They're simply not going to pay him this summer, and they might as well pick up something for him rather than nothing at all.

And if they do try and match offer sheets this summer and trade him later on while only playing him very minimal minutes with their major logjam, they'll ruin their relationship with players and agents across the league and will do considerable damage to themselves over the long run. The Colangelos know this, which is why they won't do it. The NBA is a relationship-driven league, and screwing over a player/agent like this is just terrible business.

Showing a willingness to give in and accept crumbs in return hampers the ability to ask for more in future trades.  You need to show the resolve to stick to high demands so that other GMs don't simply try to outwait you and wait for you to cave.

[Emmette Bryant]

Showing a willingness to give in and accept crumbs in return hampers the ability to ask for more in future trades. 

When I first read this I thought you said "accept crumbs in return for hamsters".

TP for giving me a Monty Python moment.