Woj: Sixers plan on moving one of Noel or Okafor "eventually"

[MBunge]

Larbrd is right. Embiid has no health issues at this time

larbrd never said that.  Larbrd said that if embiid makes it through a full season without issue, the level of concern about his future would be comparable to durant right now.  larbrd also educated you on the reality that embiid would have played last season in another era.  They wanted to be extra careful and avoid a potential oden situation.

also, larbrd wasn't "completed totally wrong" about embiid last time. When info came out, it essentially vindicated larbrd and proved him far more right than anyone on this forum.  Larbrd ate a bunch of unwarranted crow, but upon learning his hunches were accurate, larbrd shoved his fingers down his gullet and spewed said crow out for the rest of the ninnies to slurp up.

I've yet to see anyone on this forum accurately explain what happened with embiid last season. If you started a poll, my guess 95% would say embiid reinjured himself last summer and needed a second surgery.  That's not at all what happened. Read about it.

Please supply the evidence from unbiased sources that back up what you are saying. 

Mike

Research it yourself.  Extensive articles have been written with interviews with his doctor that performed the bone graft and why the decision was made to do it in spite of the fact embiid believed he was 100%, felt no pain, and was dominating everyone in practices.

That's actually the one reason for concern when embiid says he's 100% right now ... He thought he was fine last year too and they were not comfortable letting him risk reinjury without a bone graft procedure.

Therefore the doctors knew he was not 100% even though Embiid didn't have pain.  Just like someone with extremely high blood pressure can stroke out and die, even though they feel 100% and the doctors know they are not healthy.

If he was healthy he would have played, end of story... Regardless of Embiid's pain level.

Philly wasn't at all up front with his situation, but that was my hypothesis last summer based on the limited info available to us. 

So, your excuse for being wrong is that you were foolish enough to stake your reputation on the honesty of an NBA front office?  That may be the worst insult I've ever seen someone inadvertently give to themselves.

Mike

[LarBrd33]

Larbrd is right. Embiid has no health issues at this time

larbrd never said that.  Larbrd said that if embiid makes it through a full season without issue, the level of concern about his future would be comparable to durant right now.  larbrd also educated you on the reality that embiid would have played last season in another era.  They wanted to be extra careful and avoid a potential oden situation.

also, larbrd wasn't "completed totally wrong" about embiid last time. When info came out, it essentially vindicated larbrd and proved him far more right than anyone on this forum.  Larbrd ate a bunch of unwarranted crow, but upon learning his hunches were accurate, larbrd shoved his fingers down his gullet and spewed said crow out for the rest of the ninnies to slurp up.

I've yet to see anyone on this forum accurately explain what happened with embiid last season. If you started a poll, my guess 95% would say embiid reinjured himself last summer and needed a second surgery.  That's not at all what happened. Read about it.

Please supply the evidence from unbiased sources that back up what you are saying. 

Mike

Research it yourself.  Extensive articles have been written with interviews with his doctor that performed the bone graft and why the decision was made to do it in spite of the fact embiid believed he was 100%, felt no pain, and was dominating everyone in practices.

That's actually the one reason for concern when embiid says he's 100% right now ... He thought he was fine last year too and they were not comfortable letting him risk reinjury without a bone graft procedure.

Therefore the doctors knew he was not 100% even though Embiid didn't have pain.  Just like someone with extremely high blood pressure can stroke out and die, even though they feel 100% and the doctors know they are not healthy.

If he was healthy he would have played, end of story... Regardless of Embiid's pain level.

Philly wasn't at all up front with his situation, but that was my hypothesis last summer based on the limited info available to us. 

So, your excuse for being wrong is that you were foolish enough to stake your reputation on the honesty of an NBA front office? 

Lol @ "my reputation".   Funny stuff from bung.

The credit for me being right goes to my willingness to actually research Embiid's situation last season.  My interpretation of the events was essentially flawless.  My wild guess on his course of action last season wasn't perfect (given that no information was available yet about private discussions between the team and his doctor), but it was certainly an educated guess - something none of the ignorant smug trolls on this forum can claim.   Hence, this is a sound victory for LarBrd33 and is going firmly in the Home Dinger column despite the contrarian whining of the rabble rousing poor sports who a full year later still can't describe what actually happened with embiid last summer without me explaining it to them.  You're welcome.

[Ilikesports17]

Larbrd is right. Embiid has no health issues at this time

larbrd never said that.  Larbrd said that if embiid makes it through a full season without issue, the level of concern about his future would be comparable to durant right now.  larbrd also educated you on the reality that embiid would have played last season in another era.  They wanted to be extra careful and avoid a potential oden situation.

also, larbrd wasn't "completed totally wrong" about embiid last time. When info came out, it essentially vindicated larbrd and proved him far more right than anyone on this forum.  Larbrd ate a bunch of unwarranted crow, but upon learning his hunches were accurate, larbrd shoved his fingers down his gullet and spewed said crow out for the rest of the ninnies to slurp up.

I've yet to see anyone on this forum accurately explain what happened with embiid last season. If you started a poll, my guess 95% would say embiid reinjured himself last summer and needed a second surgery.  That's not at all what happened. Read about it.

Please supply the evidence from unbiased sources that back up what you are saying. 

Mike

Research it yourself.  Extensive articles have been written with interviews with his doctor that performed the bone graft and why the decision was made to do it in spite of the fact embiid believed he was 100%, felt no pain, and was dominating everyone in practices.

That's actually the one reason for concern when embiid says he's 100% right now ... He thought he was fine last year too and they were not comfortable letting him risk reinjury without a bone graft procedure.

Therefore the doctors knew he was not 100% even though Embiid didn't have pain.  Just like someone with extremely high blood pressure can stroke out and die, even though they feel 100% and the doctors know they are not healthy.

If he was healthy he would have played, end of story... Regardless of Embiid's pain level.

Philly wasn't at all up front with his situation, but that was my hypothesis last summer based on the limited info available to us. 

So, your excuse for being wrong is that you were foolish enough to stake your reputation on the honesty of an NBA front office? 

Lol @ "my reputation".   Funny stuff from bung.

The credit for me being right goes to my willingness to actually research Embiid's situation last season.  My interpretation of the events was essentially flawless.  My wild guess on his course of action last season wasn't perfect (given that no information was available yet about private discussions between the team and his doctor), but it was certainly an educated guess - something none of the ignorant smug trolls on this forum can claim.   Hence, this is a sound victory for LarBrd33 and is going firmly in the Home Dinger column despite the contrarian whining of the rabble rousing poor sports who a full year later still can't describe what actually happened with embiid last summer without me explaining it to them.  You're welcome.

your expectation was that he would play this past season. He did not play.

you were not "right" you chose to ignore evidence that pointed towards embiid's season being in danger and waited for official word while others picked up on a ton of shaky signs that pointed towards his season being in danger. Others were correct. Your opinion was not at all absurd, but it also didnt really exist. If I recall your opinion was that the last official word suggeted Embiid would play so untill you got official word that he wasnt going to play you were expecting him to be out there come opening day. Nice, its a classic LB opinion because no matter what happens you will claim you were correct. Take the Nets you said if they were healthy they could win 50 games. No team is ever completely healthy. The Nets were not completely healthy. The Nets were never on pace to win more than like 30 games even when completely healthy and ended up with the 3rd worst record in the league, but because of the way you phrased it, you could not be wrong.

Ultimately heres what I think it comes down too. I come on here to share my opinion and try to talk about basketball and learn about the Cs. I have had posters change my mind on several players. This is because I think there are some really good insights here and I can learn and have good discussions about the team and sport I really like. You, it seems, come on Cs blog to win argument and prove your opinion correct. Congratulations. You were not "wrong" about Embiid.

You just come across as a troll thats all.

I remember a quote I saw on the news years ago from Bill Belichick via Tully Banta-Cain(I later found out the quotes from Bill Maher, so that was a bummer but if Bill approved, so do I).

He said something like rich people will walk around with  expensive watches, the nicest clothes they can get their hands on telling everyone they see how rich they are, but real high rollers wear sweatpants, because they dont feel the need to parade around telling everyone how smart they are.

I thought it was a terrific story. I also remember reading Gladwell's Outliers, and one of the common characteristics of individuals with 130+ IQs is they very rarely seemed to brag or even acknowledge their brilliance as their intelligence generally translated into something of an emotional maturity.

youve never claimed yourself "King of Cs Blog" but the whole "Im the best" talk reminded me of this scene. Really it doesnt apply but I love the scene so watch it anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sJY7BTIuPY

[SHAQATTACK]

Rozier , Mickey and low first.

[LarBrd33]

Ils, the bottom line is that every piece of information I shared was accurate.  My guess on how it would pan out short term wasn't.  On the flip side, nobody else offered anything of substance in those threads last year. Nobody other than myself was correct in what was happening behind the scenes. Nobody else was correct in their predictions on what would happen.   Find me one person who correctly predicted "bone graft" on this forum.   It didn't happen.  Everyone just went "his career is over cuz oden" and that doesn't all all appear to be the case.  Hence the disgruntled haters here grumpy at all the predictable positive news about Embiid right now. 

[Ilikesports17]

Ils, the bottom line is that every piece of information I shared was accurate.  My guess on how it would pan out short term wasn't.  On the flip side, nobody else offered anything of substance in those threads last year. Nobody other than myself was correct in what was happening behind the scenes. Nobody else was correct in their predictions on what would happen.   Find me one person who correctly predicted "bone graft" on this forum.   It didn't happen.  Everyone just went "his career is over cuz oden" and that doesn't all all appear to be the case.  Hence the disgruntled haters here grumpy at all the predictable positive news about Embiid right now.

relax with the absolutes. Some posters said things like his career is over because Embiid. Others said things like: the initial plan was for Embiid to be good to go in 15-16. Now it doesnt look like hes gonna be good to go. This means his foot is not healing ats well as it was supposed too. Now this might mean Embiid the bozo went out and reinjured his foot or it might just mean the healing wasnt as strong as Philly wanted it. Either way. Huge dudes + foot injuries = major red flags. Add in that those injuries havent healed as expected + the fact that the huge dude has played like 25 competitice games and iirc also battle injury in college those major red flags become bigger.

I think the people in that camp were more "right" than you.

[Eddie20]

LB, you do realize that you would earn a lot more credibility and dignity if you simply would  admit you're wrong from time to time, right? For example, still to this day you argue that you were right about the Nets and they would've made the playoffs if Jack hadn't been injured.

Bottom line, you were embarrassingly wrong about the Embiid situation and you know it. Everyone else on here was privy to the same amount of information as you, but made a far better prognostication because they realized that Embiid is a fragile mess and the reports on the injury were very disconcerting. You refused to acknowledge those said reports because you refuse to believe anything negative about that doormat of a team.

[LarBrd33]

LB, you do realize that you would earn a lot more credibility and dignity if you simply would  admit you're wrong from time to time, right? For example, still to this day you argue that you were right about the Nets and they would've made the playoffs if Jack hadn't been injured.

Bottom line, you were embarrassingly wrong about the Embiid situation and you know it. Everyone else on here was privy to the same amount of information as you, but made a far better prognostication because they realized that Embiid is a fragile mess and the reports on the injury were very disconcerting. You refused to acknowledge those said reports because you refuse to believe anything negative about that doormat of a team.

if you read what I wrote about embiid last season, it's inaccurate to say I was "wrong".  The info I shared checked out.  My read on Philly's motives checks out. 

The only people who stand to be embarrassed by embiid-related claims are the folks like yourself and bungie who have written him off.  If embiid does indeed prove to be impactful, y'all are gonna look pretty silly.  Not surprising there's a sense of panic from some of those posters who have been utterly convinced embiid was a bust of a pick.   I still lean towards the belief he's going to be important.

Also, stuff like "reputation" and "credibility" are buzz words shared by forum members who take themselves and me way too seriously.  Deadly seriously.  My reputation and credibility as a self-proclaimed idiot Boston Celtic fan is invincible.

[nickagneta]

I have had a bone graft. You get bone grafts when broken bones don't heal. Bone grafts are not preventative measures. If you're getting one its because your break didn't heal.

The Sixers didn't make Embiid have some sort of elective surgery last year out of concern for long term ability to play basketball(BTW doesn't every team in the league have tremendous concern for the long term health of their players). They had him have surgery to graft more bone onto a bone that wasn't 100% healed. Essentially, the first surgery wasn't 100% successful and the bone was still broken or healed wrong.

Doesn't matter if he said he felt okay. Doesn't matter if he could dunk a basketball. Doesn't matter if in very limited practice he looked good. What matters is the doctors didn't clear him and his foot REQUIRED more surgery.

Those are the facts. Arguing over or bragging about who said what, when and who was right is just immature, childish games that most here should just ignore for their own benefit.

[LarBrd33]

I have had a bone graft. You get bone grafts when broken bones don't heal. Bone grafts are preventative measures. If you're getting one its because your break didn't heal.

The Sixers didn't make Embiid have some sort of elective surgery last year out of concern for long term ability to play basketball(BTW doesn't every team in the league have tremendous concern for the long term health of their players). They had him have surgery to graft more bone onto a bone that wasn't 100% healed. Essentially, the first surgery wasn't 100% successful and the bone was still broken or healed wrong.

Doesn't matter if he said he felt okay. Doesn't matter if he could dunk a basketball. Doesn't matter if in very limited practice he looked good. What matters is the doctors didn't clear him and his foot REQUIRED more surgery.

Those are the facts. Arguing over or bragging about who said what, when and who was right is just immature, childish games that most here should just ignore for their own benefit.

10 years ago do you see last season playing at the same way for embiid ?

[moiso]

10 years ago is irrelevant.

[celticsclay]

I have had a bone graft. You get bone grafts when broken bones don't heal. Bone grafts are preventative measures. If you're getting one its because your break didn't heal.

The Sixers didn't make Embiid have some sort of elective surgery last year out of concern for long term ability to play basketball(BTW doesn't every team in the league have tremendous concern for the long term health of their players). They had him have surgery to graft more bone onto a bone that wasn't 100% healed. Essentially, the first surgery wasn't 100% successful and the bone was still broken or healed wrong.

Doesn't matter if he said he felt okay. Doesn't matter if he could dunk a basketball. Doesn't matter if in very limited practice he looked good. What matters is the doctors didn't clear him and his foot REQUIRED more surgery.

Those are the facts. Arguing over or bragging about who said what, when and who was right is just immature, childish games that most here should just ignore for their own benefit.

10 years ago do you see last season playing at the same way for embiid ?

yeah I think so.

[MBunge]

I have had a bone graft. You get bone grafts when broken bones don't heal. Bone grafts are preventative measures. If you're getting one its because your break didn't heal.

The Sixers didn't make Embiid have some sort of elective surgery last year out of concern for long term ability to play basketball(BTW doesn't every team in the league have tremendous concern for the long term health of their players). They had him have surgery to graft more bone onto a bone that wasn't 100% healed. Essentially, the first surgery wasn't 100% successful and the bone was still broken or healed wrong.

Doesn't matter if he said he felt okay. Doesn't matter if he could dunk a basketball. Doesn't matter if in very limited practice he looked good. What matters is the doctors didn't clear him and his foot REQUIRED more surgery.

Those are the facts. Arguing over or bragging about who said what, when and who was right is just immature, childish games that most here should just ignore for their own benefit.

10 years ago do you see last season playing at the same way for embiid ?

Is your new excuse that you exist in a time warp where it is perpetually 2006 and you are incapable of recognizing the obvious stuff everyone else can see?

Mike

[LarBrd33]

I have had a bone graft. You get bone grafts when broken bones don't heal. Bone grafts are preventative measures. If you're getting one its because your break didn't heal.

The Sixers didn't make Embiid have some sort of elective surgery last year out of concern for long term ability to play basketball(BTW doesn't every team in the league have tremendous concern for the long term health of their players). They had him have surgery to graft more bone onto a bone that wasn't 100% healed. Essentially, the first surgery wasn't 100% successful and the bone was still broken or healed wrong.

Doesn't matter if he said he felt okay. Doesn't matter if he could dunk a basketball. Doesn't matter if in very limited practice he looked good. What matters is the doctors didn't clear him and his foot REQUIRED more surgery.

Those are the facts. Arguing over or bragging about who said what, when and who was right is just immature, childish games that most here should just ignore for their own benefit.

10 years ago do you see last season playing at the same way for embiid ?

Is your new excuse that you exist in a time warp where it is perpetually 2006 and you are incapable of recognizing the obvious stuff everyone else can see?

Mike

incapable of recognizing that in a different era they would have just taped it up and thrown him out there for better or worse?  No.  I recognize that.   I also recognize that bone grafts have been proven successful and embiid may indeed be on the verge of an excellent career - much to the chagrin of folks like yourself who have written him off.   It will be interesting to see if you are proven wrong.

[LarBrd33]

10 years ago is irrelevant.

it's relevant if I'm being asked to defend a statement that he would have played in a different era without receiving the bone graft.  This is intended to give him a long and healthy career.