Woj: Sixers plan on moving one of Noel or Okafor "eventually"

[Moranis]

No question he has been an awful rebounder at just 9.9% but for some perspective, Johnson is 10.5% and Jerekbo and Olynyk are 9.7 and 9.5% respectively.  Even Horford is only 11.5%.  Only Zeller and Johnson have a higher ORB% than Okafor this year.  Mind you, Okafor is well below his rookie numbers in those stats, which isn't surprising given he is coming back from a leg injury (you kind of need your legs to rebound).

He was an awful rebounder last year too. So this whole notion of him dealing with a leg injury is just an excuse. This fascination with Okafor is mind-blowing. Looking at the landscape of the league and you'll see similar type players (Monroe and Kanter) are relegated to bench roles. However, those two can actually rebound.

He was an ok rebounder, not an awful rebounder last year (better TRB% than Horford had last year or this year as an example and his 12.8% last year would be 2nd on the team to Zeller this year).  No one is claiming he will ever be like Drummond or Jordan defensively or on the glass, but this notion that he is the worst rebounder in the world is just silly nonsense.  Okafor is an ok rebounder when healthy.  Not elite, but not going to kill you on the glass either (like say Mark Blount).

That's kinda the point though. Because of his relative weaknesses in other areas, he really needs to excel at the things you expect a true center to do. The ability to switch on the perimeter and limited shooting range would be fine if he was a plus rebounder or a rim protector or you could run your offense through the post with him but you can't.

He really needs to be well above average in at least a few other things besides low post scoring to be a positive. Being an okay rebounder or a middling paint presence (which is being nice to his current game) isn't gonna be enough.

his range isn't that limited.  He doesn't have 3 point range, but about 20% of his offensive shots are longer than 10' and about 39% of his shots are from 0-3'.  Drummond for a comparison has about 6.5% of his shots longer than 10' and about 49% of his shots are from 0-3', and that is this year as a 1st and 2nd year player those numbers are much more dramatic (Drummond was over 81% of his shots from 0-3' in each of his first two seasons).  Drummond has his career best 7% AST% thus far this year his previous best was 4.4% last year.  Okafor has been 8.2 and 8.5 this year.  Drummond's BLK% this year is 2.8 and his TOV% is 12.5.  Okafor this year is 4.2 and 10.8.  Now obviously Drummond is a far superior rebounder and always has been (his career low was his rookie year at 21.2), and Drummond has always been a far superior overall defender, so I'm not comparing their overall skills, I was just using Drummond as an example to emphasize that a number of Okafor's supposed flaws, aren't really flaws, especially when you consider that he is a 2nd year big man that is still just 20 years old playing on one of the worst teams in the league (and a team that threatened for the worst team ever last year when he was a rookie).

Put Okafor on a team with some real threats to score and his AST% should increase, the number of double teams he faces will decrease, and he will generally be getting the ball in a better position to score and will get better shots which should increase his efficiency.  Put him on a team with better defenders in the backcourt and his defensive efficiency should increase as well.  Covington is a good defender but he isn't Crowder and he certainly isn't Bradley and it isn't like Okafor is starting, he is coming off the bench this year and playing with a lot of bench players on the 2nd worst team in basketball.  Couple that with him barely playing in the preseason and working himself back into game shape, and it is easy to see why some of his numbers are down this year.  Of course many of his defensive numbers are actually up, which is a good sign.

[celticsclay]

No question he has been an awful rebounder at just 9.9% but for some perspective, Johnson is 10.5% and Jerekbo and Olynyk are 9.7 and 9.5% respectively.  Even Horford is only 11.5%.  Only Zeller and Johnson have a higher ORB% than Okafor this year.  Mind you, Okafor is well below his rookie numbers in those stats, which isn't surprising given he is coming back from a leg injury (you kind of need your legs to rebound).

He was an awful rebounder last year too. So this whole notion of him dealing with a leg injury is just an excuse. This fascination with Okafor is mind-blowing. Looking at the landscape of the league and you'll see similar type players (Monroe and Kanter) are relegated to bench roles. However, those two can actually rebound.

He was an ok rebounder, not an awful rebounder last year (better TRB% than Horford had last year or this year as an example and his 12.8% last year would be 2nd on the team to Zeller this year).  No one is claiming he will ever be like Drummond or Jordan defensively or on the glass, but this notion that he is the worst rebounder in the world is just silly nonsense.  Okafor is an ok rebounder when healthy.  Not elite, but not going to kill you on the glass either (like say Mark Blount).

I am a bit confused about this totally healthy thing with Okafor thing I keep hearing. He had a small surgery in March. The expected recovery time of the surgery for this was 6 weeks:

Philadelphia 76ers rookie center Jahlil Okafor will miss the rest of the 2015-16 regular season with a small meniscus tear in his right knee, the team announced Friday. Okafor will resume basketball activities in six weeks, but because the season is almost over, he will not return to the court within that time frame.

Okafor has not played since Feb. 28 against the Orlando Magic, though he was initially listed out because of a shin injury. He had only missed six previous games this season, two of which were due to an early-season suspension for multiple altercations outside a Boston bar.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/3/11/11208614/jahlil-okafor-injury-76ers-knee

So we are now literally 9 months after an injury that was supposed to take 6 weeks to return from basketball injuries. Does anyone else think it is weird he is still not healthy? Did he have a serious setback or reinjury I met? Is there something else wrong with this guy?

I am a bit confused.

He had soreness in his knee on September 30th.  As a result, the Sixers kept him out of all but their final preseason game in which he was limited to an 8 minute limit (he played 7).  He has been on a minutes restriction basically all season.  Healthy people don't have minutes restrictions and don't miss basically the entire preseason.

yea. My question is what is going on? Soreness 6 months after a 6 week recovery time is just something that is accepted as normal? No explanation ever given?

Tank keeps rollin

1) They were a worse team when Okafor was on the floor last year right? How would not playing him help them tank? Maybe it is the opposite they are not playing him because they no longer want to tank? The signings of Henderson and Bayless obviously pushed them away from 15 win territory (even without simmons).

[celticsclay]

No question he has been an awful rebounder at just 9.9% but for some perspective, Johnson is 10.5% and Jerekbo and Olynyk are 9.7 and 9.5% respectively.  Even Horford is only 11.5%.  Only Zeller and Johnson have a higher ORB% than Okafor this year.  Mind you, Okafor is well below his rookie numbers in those stats, which isn't surprising given he is coming back from a leg injury (you kind of need your legs to rebound).

He was an awful rebounder last year too. So this whole notion of him dealing with a leg injury is just an excuse. This fascination with Okafor is mind-blowing. Looking at the landscape of the league and you'll see similar type players (Monroe and Kanter) are relegated to bench roles. However, those two can actually rebound.

He was an ok rebounder, not an awful rebounder last year (better TRB% than Horford had last year or this year as an example and his 12.8% last year would be 2nd on the team to Zeller this year).  No one is claiming he will ever be like Drummond or Jordan defensively or on the glass, but this notion that he is the worst rebounder in the world is just silly nonsense.  Okafor is an ok rebounder when healthy.  Not elite, but not going to kill you on the glass either (like say Mark Blount).

That's kinda the point though. Because of his relative weaknesses in other areas, he really needs to excel at the things you expect a true center to do. The ability to switch on the perimeter and limited shooting range would be fine if he was a plus rebounder or a rim protector or you could run your offense through the post with him but you can't.

He really needs to be well above average in at least a few other things besides low post scoring to be a positive. Being an okay rebounder or a middling paint presence (which is being nice to his current game) isn't gonna be enough.

his range isn't that limited.  He doesn't have 3 point range, but about 20% of his offensive shots are longer than 10' and about 39% of his shots are from 0-3'.  Drummond for a comparison has about 6.5% of his shots longer than 10' and about 49% of his shots are from 0-3', and that is this year as a 1st and 2nd year player those numbers are much more dramatic (Drummond was over 81% of his shots from 0-3' in each of his first two seasons).  Drummond has his career best 7% AST% thus far this year his previous best was 4.4% last year.  Okafor has been 8.2 and 8.5 this year.  Drummond's BLK% this year is 2.8 and his TOV% is 12.5.  Okafor this year is 4.2 and 10.8.  Now obviously Drummond is a far superior rebounder and always has been (his career low was his rookie year at 21.2), and Drummond has always been a far superior overall defender, so I'm not comparing their overall skills, I was just using Drummond as an example to emphasize that a number of Okafor's supposed flaws, aren't really flaws, especially when you consider that he is a 2nd year big man that is still just 20 years old playing on one of the worst teams in the league (and a team that threatened for the worst team ever last year when he was a rookie).

Put Okafor on a team with some real threats to score and his AST% should increase, the number of double teams he faces will decrease, and he will generally be getting the ball in a better position to score and will get better shots which should increase his efficiency.  Put him on a team with better defenders in the backcourt and his defensive efficiency should increase as well.  Covington is a good defender but he isn't Crowder and he certainly isn't Bradley and it isn't like Okafor is starting, he is coming off the bench this year and playing with a lot of bench players on the 2nd worst team in basketball.  Couple that with him barely playing in the preseason and working himself back into game shape, and it is easy to see why some of his numbers are down this year.  Of course many of his defensive numbers are actually up, which is a good sign.

Doesn't this cut both ways? Sure maybe he is playing with bad players off the bench, but he is also going against very bad players on the other end. You would think he would be dominant against bench players consistently if he was a future star. Also when we talk about Okafor playing  on a terrible team that is also mixed data. I'll never forget the highlight clip posted of someone from Noel from 2 years ago.

Noel started against Deandre Jordan and had like one highlight. Then the next two highlights he had against a fairly disinterested Spencer Hawes and then finally him soaring for lobs against Cole Aldrich. Every highlight the score was farther apart also. Some of the stats with these guys are just garbage.

I'll trust someone like Raaandy that is a 76ers fan and watches all their games over someone that watches them sometimes and seems to have an excuse for every complaint against Okafor.

[tazzmaniac]

No question he has been an awful rebounder at just 9.9% but for some perspective, Johnson is 10.5% and Jerekbo and Olynyk are 9.7 and 9.5% respectively.  Even Horford is only 11.5%.  Only Zeller and Johnson have a higher ORB% than Okafor this year.  Mind you, Okafor is well below his rookie numbers in those stats, which isn't surprising given he is coming back from a leg injury (you kind of need your legs to rebound).

He was an awful rebounder last year too. So this whole notion of him dealing with a leg injury is just an excuse. This fascination with Okafor is mind-blowing. Looking at the landscape of the league and you'll see similar type players (Monroe and Kanter) are relegated to bench roles. However, those two can actually rebound.

He was an ok rebounder, not an awful rebounder last year (better TRB% than Horford had last year or this year as an example and his 12.8% last year would be 2nd on the team to Zeller this year).  No one is claiming he will ever be like Drummond or Jordan defensively or on the glass, but this notion that he is the worst rebounder in the world is just silly nonsense.  Okafor is an ok rebounder when healthy.  Not elite, but not going to kill you on the glass either (like say Mark Blount).

That's kinda the point though. Because of his relative weaknesses in other areas, he really needs to excel at the things you expect a true center to do. The ability to switch on the perimeter and limited shooting range would be fine if he was a plus rebounder or a rim protector or you could run your offense through the post with him but you can't.

He really needs to be well above average in at least a few other things besides low post scoring to be a positive. Being an okay rebounder or a middling paint presence (which is being nice to his current game) isn't gonna be enough.

his range isn't that limited.  He doesn't have 3 point range, but about 20% of his offensive shots are longer than 10' and about 39% of his shots are from 0-3'.  Drummond for a comparison has about 6.5% of his shots longer than 10' and about 49% of his shots are from 0-3', and that is this year as a 1st and 2nd year player those numbers are much more dramatic (Drummond was over 81% of his shots from 0-3' in each of his first two seasons).  Drummond has his career best 7% AST% thus far this year his previous best was 4.4% last year.  Okafor has been 8.2 and 8.5 this year.  Drummond's BLK% this year is 2.8 and his TOV% is 12.5.  Okafor this year is 4.2 and 10.8.  Now obviously Drummond is a far superior rebounder and always has been (his career low was his rookie year at 21.2), and Drummond has always been a far superior overall defender, so I'm not comparing their overall skills, I was just using Drummond as an example to emphasize that a number of Okafor's supposed flaws, aren't really flaws, especially when you consider that he is a 2nd year big man that is still just 20 years old playing on one of the worst teams in the league (and a team that threatened for the worst team ever last year when he was a rookie).

Put Okafor on a team with some real threats to score and his AST% should increase, the number of double teams he faces will decrease, and he will generally be getting the ball in a better position to score and will get better shots which should increase his efficiency.  Put him on a team with better defenders in the backcourt and his defensive efficiency should increase as well.  Covington is a good defender but he isn't Crowder and he certainly isn't Bradley and it isn't like Okafor is starting, he is coming off the bench this year and playing with a lot of bench players on the 2nd worst team in basketball.  Couple that with him barely playing in the preseason and working himself back into game shape, and it is easy to see why some of his numbers are down this year.  Of course many of his defensive numbers are actually up, which is a good sign.

Doesn't this cut both ways? Sure maybe he is playing with bad players off the bench, but he is also going against very bad players on the other end. You would think he would be dominant against bench players consistently if he was a future star. Also when we talk about Okafor playing  on a terrible team that is also mixed data. I'll never forget the highlight clip posted of someone from Noel from 2 years ago.

Noel started against Deandre Jordan and had like one highlight. Then the next two highlights he had against a fairly disinterested Spencer Hawes and then finally him soaring for lobs against Cole Aldrich. Every highlight the score was farther apart also. Some of the stats with these guys are just garbage.

I'll trust someone like Raaandy that is a 76ers fan and watches all their games over someone that watches them sometimes and seems to have an excuse for every complaint against Okafor.

Okafor had a reasonably good game against the Cavs but you wouldn't know it reading the LibertyBallers game thread.  Fans of a team aren't necessarily the most objective assessors of the team or its players and can go overboard both positively and negatively.  A lot of the NOKAFORS are very pro Noel.  In truth, both have positives but both have significant negatives too. 

As for the playing time, Embiid and Okafor are switching out roughly every 4 minutes so they're both playing sometimes with and against bench players.  It is necessary for Embiid's recovery but I think it negatively impacts both of them. 

[LarBrd33]

No question he has been an awful rebounder at just 9.9% but for some perspective, Johnson is 10.5% and Jerekbo and Olynyk are 9.7 and 9.5% respectively.  Even Horford is only 11.5%.  Only Zeller and Johnson have a higher ORB% than Okafor this year.  Mind you, Okafor is well below his rookie numbers in those stats, which isn't surprising given he is coming back from a leg injury (you kind of need your legs to rebound).

He was an awful rebounder last year too. So this whole notion of him dealing with a leg injury is just an excuse. This fascination with Okafor is mind-blowing. Looking at the landscape of the league and you'll see similar type players (Monroe and Kanter) are relegated to bench roles. However, those two can actually rebound.

He was an ok rebounder, not an awful rebounder last year (better TRB% than Horford had last year or this year as an example and his 12.8% last year would be 2nd on the team to Zeller this year).  No one is claiming he will ever be like Drummond or Jordan defensively or on the glass, but this notion that he is the worst rebounder in the world is just silly nonsense.  Okafor is an ok rebounder when healthy.  Not elite, but not going to kill you on the glass either (like say Mark Blount).

I am a bit confused about this totally healthy thing with Okafor thing I keep hearing. He had a small surgery in March. The expected recovery time of the surgery for this was 6 weeks:

Philadelphia 76ers rookie center Jahlil Okafor will miss the rest of the 2015-16 regular season with a small meniscus tear in his right knee, the team announced Friday. Okafor will resume basketball activities in six weeks, but because the season is almost over, he will not return to the court within that time frame.

Okafor has not played since Feb. 28 against the Orlando Magic, though he was initially listed out because of a shin injury. He had only missed six previous games this season, two of which were due to an early-season suspension for multiple altercations outside a Boston bar.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/3/11/11208614/jahlil-okafor-injury-76ers-knee

So we are now literally 9 months after an injury that was supposed to take 6 weeks to return from basketball injuries. Does anyone else think it is weird he is still not healthy? Did he have a serious setback or reinjury I met? Is there something else wrong with this guy?

I am a bit confused.

He had soreness in his knee on September 30th.  As a result, the Sixers kept him out of all but their final preseason game in which he was limited to an 8 minute limit (he played 7).  He has been on a minutes restriction basically all season.  Healthy people don't have minutes restrictions and don't miss basically the entire preseason.

yea. My question is what is going on? Soreness 6 months after a 6 week recovery time is just something that is accepted as normal? No explanation ever given?

Tank keeps rollin

1) They were a worse team when Okafor was on the floor last year right? How would not playing him help them tank? Maybe it is the opposite they are not playing him because they no longer want to tank? The signings of Henderson and Bayless obviously pushed them away from 15 win territory (even without simmons).

I'm giving Okafor the same pass I'm giving Jaylen Brown.  While #3 pick Okafor managed to average 17.5 points, 7 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 1.2 blocks with 51% shooting as a 19/20 year old rookie, our #3 pick Jaylen is currently averaging 5.8 points, 2.3 rebounds, 0.7 assists, 0.4 blocks with 44% shooting as a 20 year old rookie... all while displaying lackluster defense that has seen his minutes in sharp decline. 

Sure, I could sit here and nitpick every aspect of Jaylen's minuscule impact on the game and how he currently ranks towards the bottom on our team in numerous conventional and advanced statistical categories, how he's on the verge of falling out of the top 10 in the rookie ladder, and how he doesn't pass the eye test in any way shape or form.  But I understand he's a 20 year old with a long way to go.   I don't see the point in nitpicking Jaylen right now.  I don't see the point in nitpicking Okafor either.   As far as I can tell, Okafor is still a better prospect than any player on our team under the age of 24 in spite of his indisputable current flaws.  No telling how he develops though. 

[celticsclay]

No question he has been an awful rebounder at just 9.9% but for some perspective, Johnson is 10.5% and Jerekbo and Olynyk are 9.7 and 9.5% respectively.  Even Horford is only 11.5%.  Only Zeller and Johnson have a higher ORB% than Okafor this year.  Mind you, Okafor is well below his rookie numbers in those stats, which isn't surprising given he is coming back from a leg injury (you kind of need your legs to rebound).

He was an awful rebounder last year too. So this whole notion of him dealing with a leg injury is just an excuse. This fascination with Okafor is mind-blowing. Looking at the landscape of the league and you'll see similar type players (Monroe and Kanter) are relegated to bench roles. However, those two can actually rebound.

He was an ok rebounder, not an awful rebounder last year (better TRB% than Horford had last year or this year as an example and his 12.8% last year would be 2nd on the team to Zeller this year).  No one is claiming he will ever be like Drummond or Jordan defensively or on the glass, but this notion that he is the worst rebounder in the world is just silly nonsense.  Okafor is an ok rebounder when healthy.  Not elite, but not going to kill you on the glass either (like say Mark Blount).

I am a bit confused about this totally healthy thing with Okafor thing I keep hearing. He had a small surgery in March. The expected recovery time of the surgery for this was 6 weeks:

Philadelphia 76ers rookie center Jahlil Okafor will miss the rest of the 2015-16 regular season with a small meniscus tear in his right knee, the team announced Friday. Okafor will resume basketball activities in six weeks, but because the season is almost over, he will not return to the court within that time frame.

Okafor has not played since Feb. 28 against the Orlando Magic, though he was initially listed out because of a shin injury. He had only missed six previous games this season, two of which were due to an early-season suspension for multiple altercations outside a Boston bar.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/3/11/11208614/jahlil-okafor-injury-76ers-knee

So we are now literally 9 months after an injury that was supposed to take 6 weeks to return from basketball injuries. Does anyone else think it is weird he is still not healthy? Did he have a serious setback or reinjury I met? Is there something else wrong with this guy?

I am a bit confused.

He had soreness in his knee on September 30th.  As a result, the Sixers kept him out of all but their final preseason game in which he was limited to an 8 minute limit (he played 7).  He has been on a minutes restriction basically all season.  Healthy people don't have minutes restrictions and don't miss basically the entire preseason.

yea. My question is what is going on? Soreness 6 months after a 6 week recovery time is just something that is accepted as normal? No explanation ever given?

Tank keeps rollin

1) They were a worse team when Okafor was on the floor last year right? How would not playing him help them tank? Maybe it is the opposite they are not playing him because they no longer want to tank? The signings of Henderson and Bayless obviously pushed them away from 15 win territory (even without simmons).

I'm giving Okafor the same pass I'm giving Jaylen Brown.  While #3 pick Okafor managed to average 17.5 points, 7 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 1.2 blocks with 51% shooting as a 19/20 year old rookie, our #3 pick Jaylen is currently averaging 5.8 points, 2.3 rebounds, 0.7 assists, 0.4 blocks with 44% shooting as a 20 year old rookie... all while displaying lackluster defense that has seen his minutes in sharp decline. 

Sure, I could sit here and nitpick every aspect of Jaylen's minuscule impact on the game and how he currently ranks towards the bottom on our team in numerous conventional and advanced statistical categories, how he's on the verge of falling out of the top 10 in the rookie ladder, and how he doesn't pass the eye test in any way shape or form.  But I understand he's a 20 year old with a long way to go.   I don't see the point in nitpicking Jaylen right now.  I don't see the point in nitpicking Okafor either.   As far as I can tell, Okafor is still a better prospect than any player on our team under the age of 24 in spite of his indisputable current flaws.  No telling how he develops though.

Where is the per 36 you always do? For the love of god be consistent.

[jpotter33]

No question he has been an awful rebounder at just 9.9% but for some perspective, Johnson is 10.5% and Jerekbo and Olynyk are 9.7 and 9.5% respectively.  Even Horford is only 11.5%.  Only Zeller and Johnson have a higher ORB% than Okafor this year.  Mind you, Okafor is well below his rookie numbers in those stats, which isn't surprising given he is coming back from a leg injury (you kind of need your legs to rebound).

He was an awful rebounder last year too. So this whole notion of him dealing with a leg injury is just an excuse. This fascination with Okafor is mind-blowing. Looking at the landscape of the league and you'll see similar type players (Monroe and Kanter) are relegated to bench roles. However, those two can actually rebound.

He was an ok rebounder, not an awful rebounder last year (better TRB% than Horford had last year or this year as an example and his 12.8% last year would be 2nd on the team to Zeller this year).  No one is claiming he will ever be like Drummond or Jordan defensively or on the glass, but this notion that he is the worst rebounder in the world is just silly nonsense.  Okafor is an ok rebounder when healthy.  Not elite, but not going to kill you on the glass either (like say Mark Blount).

I am a bit confused about this totally healthy thing with Okafor thing I keep hearing. He had a small surgery in March. The expected recovery time of the surgery for this was 6 weeks:

Philadelphia 76ers rookie center Jahlil Okafor will miss the rest of the 2015-16 regular season with a small meniscus tear in his right knee, the team announced Friday. Okafor will resume basketball activities in six weeks, but because the season is almost over, he will not return to the court within that time frame.

Okafor has not played since Feb. 28 against the Orlando Magic, though he was initially listed out because of a shin injury. He had only missed six previous games this season, two of which were due to an early-season suspension for multiple altercations outside a Boston bar.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/3/11/11208614/jahlil-okafor-injury-76ers-knee

So we are now literally 9 months after an injury that was supposed to take 6 weeks to return from basketball injuries. Does anyone else think it is weird he is still not healthy? Did he have a serious setback or reinjury I met? Is there something else wrong with this guy?

I am a bit confused.

He had soreness in his knee on September 30th.  As a result, the Sixers kept him out of all but their final preseason game in which he was limited to an 8 minute limit (he played 7).  He has been on a minutes restriction basically all season.  Healthy people don't have minutes restrictions and don't miss basically the entire preseason.

yea. My question is what is going on? Soreness 6 months after a 6 week recovery time is just something that is accepted as normal? No explanation ever given?

Tank keeps rollin

1) They were a worse team when Okafor was on the floor last year right? How would not playing him help them tank? Maybe it is the opposite they are not playing him because they no longer want to tank? The signings of Henderson and Bayless obviously pushed them away from 15 win territory (even without simmons).

I'm giving Okafor the same pass I'm giving Jaylen Brown.  While #3 pick Okafor managed to average 17.5 points, 7 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 1.2 blocks with 51% shooting as a 19/20 year old rookie, our #3 pick Jaylen is currently averaging 5.8 points, 2.3 rebounds, 0.7 assists, 0.4 blocks with 44% shooting as a 20 year old rookie... all while displaying lackluster defense that has seen his minutes in sharp decline. 

Sure, I could sit here and nitpick every aspect of Jaylen's minuscule impact on the game and how he currently ranks towards the bottom on our team in numerous conventional and advanced statistical categories, how he's on the verge of falling out of the top 10 in the rookie ladder, and how he doesn't pass the eye test in any way shape or form.  But I understand he's a 20 year old with a long way to go.   I don't see the point in nitpicking Jaylen right now.  I don't see the point in nitpicking Okafor either.   As far as I can tell, Okafor is still a better prospect than any player on our team under the age of 24 in spite of his indisputable current flaws.  No telling how he develops though.

Where is the per 36 you always do? For the love of god be consistent.

That is convenient how that stuff works, isn't it?

[celticsclay]

No question he has been an awful rebounder at just 9.9% but for some perspective, Johnson is 10.5% and Jerekbo and Olynyk are 9.7 and 9.5% respectively.  Even Horford is only 11.5%.  Only Zeller and Johnson have a higher ORB% than Okafor this year.  Mind you, Okafor is well below his rookie numbers in those stats, which isn't surprising given he is coming back from a leg injury (you kind of need your legs to rebound).

He was an awful rebounder last year too. So this whole notion of him dealing with a leg injury is just an excuse. This fascination with Okafor is mind-blowing. Looking at the landscape of the league and you'll see similar type players (Monroe and Kanter) are relegated to bench roles. However, those two can actually rebound.

He was an ok rebounder, not an awful rebounder last year (better TRB% than Horford had last year or this year as an example and his 12.8% last year would be 2nd on the team to Zeller this year).  No one is claiming he will ever be like Drummond or Jordan defensively or on the glass, but this notion that he is the worst rebounder in the world is just silly nonsense.  Okafor is an ok rebounder when healthy.  Not elite, but not going to kill you on the glass either (like say Mark Blount).

I am a bit confused about this totally healthy thing with Okafor thing I keep hearing. He had a small surgery in March. The expected recovery time of the surgery for this was 6 weeks:

Philadelphia 76ers rookie center Jahlil Okafor will miss the rest of the 2015-16 regular season with a small meniscus tear in his right knee, the team announced Friday. Okafor will resume basketball activities in six weeks, but because the season is almost over, he will not return to the court within that time frame.

Okafor has not played since Feb. 28 against the Orlando Magic, though he was initially listed out because of a shin injury. He had only missed six previous games this season, two of which were due to an early-season suspension for multiple altercations outside a Boston bar.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/3/11/11208614/jahlil-okafor-injury-76ers-knee

So we are now literally 9 months after an injury that was supposed to take 6 weeks to return from basketball injuries. Does anyone else think it is weird he is still not healthy? Did he have a serious setback or reinjury I met? Is there something else wrong with this guy?

I am a bit confused.

He had soreness in his knee on September 30th.  As a result, the Sixers kept him out of all but their final preseason game in which he was limited to an 8 minute limit (he played 7).  He has been on a minutes restriction basically all season.  Healthy people don't have minutes restrictions and don't miss basically the entire preseason.

yea. My question is what is going on? Soreness 6 months after a 6 week recovery time is just something that is accepted as normal? No explanation ever given?

Tank keeps rollin

1) They were a worse team when Okafor was on the floor last year right? How would not playing him help them tank? Maybe it is the opposite they are not playing him because they no longer want to tank? The signings of Henderson and Bayless obviously pushed them away from 15 win territory (even without simmons).

I'm giving Okafor the same pass I'm giving Jaylen Brown.  While #3 pick Okafor managed to average 17.5 points, 7 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 1.2 blocks with 51% shooting as a 19/20 year old rookie, our #3 pick Jaylen is currently averaging 5.8 points, 2.3 rebounds, 0.7 assists, 0.4 blocks with 44% shooting as a 20 year old rookie... all while displaying lackluster defense that has seen his minutes in sharp decline. 

Sure, I could sit here and nitpick every aspect of Jaylen's minuscule impact on the game and how he currently ranks towards the bottom on our team in numerous conventional and advanced statistical categories, how he's on the verge of falling out of the top 10 in the rookie ladder, and how he doesn't pass the eye test in any way shape or form.  But I understand he's a 20 year old with a long way to go.   I don't see the point in nitpicking Jaylen right now.  I don't see the point in nitpicking Okafor either.   As far as I can tell, Okafor is still a better prospect than any player on our team under the age of 24 in spite of his indisputable current flaws.  No telling how he develops though.

Where is the per 36 you always do? For the love of god be consistent.

That is convenient how that stuff works, isn't it?

It is so blatant you can only laugh. I saw Noel and Okafor's per 36 numbers from LB so many times last year I was starting to memorize them.

Kind of like when he didn't like the per 36 numbers for Artest and Smart in their second season.  So wanted to add in other stuff.

For those interested Brown averages 14 points, 5.5 rebounds and 1.5 steals a block and 2 turnovers per 36. Pretty pointless to harp on the guy being on a playoff caliber team and not being force fed minutes when other rookies are on lottery bound teams. As trump would say "VERY BAD!"

[green_bballers13]

No question he has been an awful rebounder at just 9.9% but for some perspective, Johnson is 10.5% and Jerekbo and Olynyk are 9.7 and 9.5% respectively.  Even Horford is only 11.5%.  Only Zeller and Johnson have a higher ORB% than Okafor this year.  Mind you, Okafor is well below his rookie numbers in those stats, which isn't surprising given he is coming back from a leg injury (you kind of need your legs to rebound).

He was an awful rebounder last year too. So this whole notion of him dealing with a leg injury is just an excuse. This fascination with Okafor is mind-blowing. Looking at the landscape of the league and you'll see similar type players (Monroe and Kanter) are relegated to bench roles. However, those two can actually rebound.

He was an ok rebounder, not an awful rebounder last year (better TRB% than Horford had last year or this year as an example and his 12.8% last year would be 2nd on the team to Zeller this year).  No one is claiming he will ever be like Drummond or Jordan defensively or on the glass, but this notion that he is the worst rebounder in the world is just silly nonsense.  Okafor is an ok rebounder when healthy.  Not elite, but not going to kill you on the glass either (like say Mark Blount).

I am a bit confused about this totally healthy thing with Okafor thing I keep hearing. He had a small surgery in March. The expected recovery time of the surgery for this was 6 weeks:

Philadelphia 76ers rookie center Jahlil Okafor will miss the rest of the 2015-16 regular season with a small meniscus tear in his right knee, the team announced Friday. Okafor will resume basketball activities in six weeks, but because the season is almost over, he will not return to the court within that time frame.

Okafor has not played since Feb. 28 against the Orlando Magic, though he was initially listed out because of a shin injury. He had only missed six previous games this season, two of which were due to an early-season suspension for multiple altercations outside a Boston bar.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/3/11/11208614/jahlil-okafor-injury-76ers-knee

So we are now literally 9 months after an injury that was supposed to take 6 weeks to return from basketball injuries. Does anyone else think it is weird he is still not healthy? Did he have a serious setback or reinjury I met? Is there something else wrong with this guy?

I am a bit confused.

He had soreness in his knee on September 30th.  As a result, the Sixers kept him out of all but their final preseason game in which he was limited to an 8 minute limit (he played 7).  He has been on a minutes restriction basically all season.  Healthy people don't have minutes restrictions and don't miss basically the entire preseason.

yea. My question is what is going on? Soreness 6 months after a 6 week recovery time is just something that is accepted as normal? No explanation ever given?

Tank keeps rollin

1) They were a worse team when Okafor was on the floor last year right? How would not playing him help them tank? Maybe it is the opposite they are not playing him because they no longer want to tank? The signings of Henderson and Bayless obviously pushed them away from 15 win territory (even without simmons).

I'm giving Okafor the same pass I'm giving Jaylen Brown.  While #3 pick Okafor managed to average 17.5 points, 7 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 1.2 blocks with 51% shooting as a 19/20 year old rookie, our #3 pick Jaylen is currently averaging 5.8 points, 2.3 rebounds, 0.7 assists, 0.4 blocks with 44% shooting as a 20 year old rookie... all while displaying lackluster defense that has seen his minutes in sharp decline. 

Sure, I could sit here and nitpick every aspect of Jaylen's minuscule impact on the game and how he currently ranks towards the bottom on our team in numerous conventional and advanced statistical categories, how he's on the verge of falling out of the top 10 in the rookie ladder, and how he doesn't pass the eye test in any way shape or form.  But I understand he's a 20 year old with a long way to go.   I don't see the point in nitpicking Jaylen right now.  I don't see the point in nitpicking Okafor either.   As far as I can tell, Okafor is still a better prospect than any player on our team under the age of 24 in spite of his indisputable current flaws.  No telling how he develops though.

Lar, I want to agree with you re: Okafor, but you make it so hard. You don't want to nitpick Jaylen, so then you decide to write a paragraph nitpicking Jaylen. Also, he doesn't pass the eye test? He might be the most explosive player in the whole draft. The only test he's actually passing right now is the eye test- the guy shows electricity on a regular basis.

[celticsclay]

No question he has been an awful rebounder at just 9.9% but for some perspective, Johnson is 10.5% and Jerekbo and Olynyk are 9.7 and 9.5% respectively.  Even Horford is only 11.5%.  Only Zeller and Johnson have a higher ORB% than Okafor this year.  Mind you, Okafor is well below his rookie numbers in those stats, which isn't surprising given he is coming back from a leg injury (you kind of need your legs to rebound).

He was an awful rebounder last year too. So this whole notion of him dealing with a leg injury is just an excuse. This fascination with Okafor is mind-blowing. Looking at the landscape of the league and you'll see similar type players (Monroe and Kanter) are relegated to bench roles. However, those two can actually rebound.

He was an ok rebounder, not an awful rebounder last year (better TRB% than Horford had last year or this year as an example and his 12.8% last year would be 2nd on the team to Zeller this year).  No one is claiming he will ever be like Drummond or Jordan defensively or on the glass, but this notion that he is the worst rebounder in the world is just silly nonsense.  Okafor is an ok rebounder when healthy.  Not elite, but not going to kill you on the glass either (like say Mark Blount).

I am a bit confused about this totally healthy thing with Okafor thing I keep hearing. He had a small surgery in March. The expected recovery time of the surgery for this was 6 weeks:

Philadelphia 76ers rookie center Jahlil Okafor will miss the rest of the 2015-16 regular season with a small meniscus tear in his right knee, the team announced Friday. Okafor will resume basketball activities in six weeks, but because the season is almost over, he will not return to the court within that time frame.

Okafor has not played since Feb. 28 against the Orlando Magic, though he was initially listed out because of a shin injury. He had only missed six previous games this season, two of which were due to an early-season suspension for multiple altercations outside a Boston bar.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/3/11/11208614/jahlil-okafor-injury-76ers-knee

So we are now literally 9 months after an injury that was supposed to take 6 weeks to return from basketball injuries. Does anyone else think it is weird he is still not healthy? Did he have a serious setback or reinjury I met? Is there something else wrong with this guy?

I am a bit confused.

He had soreness in his knee on September 30th.  As a result, the Sixers kept him out of all but their final preseason game in which he was limited to an 8 minute limit (he played 7).  He has been on a minutes restriction basically all season.  Healthy people don't have minutes restrictions and don't miss basically the entire preseason.

yea. My question is what is going on? Soreness 6 months after a 6 week recovery time is just something that is accepted as normal? No explanation ever given?

Tank keeps rollin

1) They were a worse team when Okafor was on the floor last year right? How would not playing him help them tank? Maybe it is the opposite they are not playing him because they no longer want to tank? The signings of Henderson and Bayless obviously pushed them away from 15 win territory (even without simmons).

I'm giving Okafor the same pass I'm giving Jaylen Brown.  While #3 pick Okafor managed to average 17.5 points, 7 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 1.2 blocks with 51% shooting as a 19/20 year old rookie, our #3 pick Jaylen is currently averaging 5.8 points, 2.3 rebounds, 0.7 assists, 0.4 blocks with 44% shooting as a 20 year old rookie... all while displaying lackluster defense that has seen his minutes in sharp decline. 

Sure, I could sit here and nitpick every aspect of Jaylen's minuscule impact on the game and how he currently ranks towards the bottom on our team in numerous conventional and advanced statistical categories, how he's on the verge of falling out of the top 10 in the rookie ladder, and how he doesn't pass the eye test in any way shape or form.  But I understand he's a 20 year old with a long way to go.   I don't see the point in nitpicking Jaylen right now.  I don't see the point in nitpicking Okafor either.   As far as I can tell, Okafor is still a better prospect than any player on our team under the age of 24 in spite of his indisputable current flaws.  No telling how he develops though.

Lar, I want to agree with you re: Okafor, but you make it so hard. You don't want to nitpick Jaylen, so then you decide to write a paragraph nitpicking Jaylen. Also, he doesn't pass the eye test? He might be the most explosive player in the whole draft. The only test he's actually passing right now is the eye test- the guy shows electricity on a regular basis.

[LarBrd33]

No question he has been an awful rebounder at just 9.9% but for some perspective, Johnson is 10.5% and Jerekbo and Olynyk are 9.7 and 9.5% respectively.  Even Horford is only 11.5%.  Only Zeller and Johnson have a higher ORB% than Okafor this year.  Mind you, Okafor is well below his rookie numbers in those stats, which isn't surprising given he is coming back from a leg injury (you kind of need your legs to rebound).

He was an awful rebounder last year too. So this whole notion of him dealing with a leg injury is just an excuse. This fascination with Okafor is mind-blowing. Looking at the landscape of the league and you'll see similar type players (Monroe and Kanter) are relegated to bench roles. However, those two can actually rebound.

He was an ok rebounder, not an awful rebounder last year (better TRB% than Horford had last year or this year as an example and his 12.8% last year would be 2nd on the team to Zeller this year).  No one is claiming he will ever be like Drummond or Jordan defensively or on the glass, but this notion that he is the worst rebounder in the world is just silly nonsense.  Okafor is an ok rebounder when healthy.  Not elite, but not going to kill you on the glass either (like say Mark Blount).

I am a bit confused about this totally healthy thing with Okafor thing I keep hearing. He had a small surgery in March. The expected recovery time of the surgery for this was 6 weeks:

Philadelphia 76ers rookie center Jahlil Okafor will miss the rest of the 2015-16 regular season with a small meniscus tear in his right knee, the team announced Friday. Okafor will resume basketball activities in six weeks, but because the season is almost over, he will not return to the court within that time frame.

Okafor has not played since Feb. 28 against the Orlando Magic, though he was initially listed out because of a shin injury. He had only missed six previous games this season, two of which were due to an early-season suspension for multiple altercations outside a Boston bar.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/3/11/11208614/jahlil-okafor-injury-76ers-knee

So we are now literally 9 months after an injury that was supposed to take 6 weeks to return from basketball injuries. Does anyone else think it is weird he is still not healthy? Did he have a serious setback or reinjury I met? Is there something else wrong with this guy?

I am a bit confused.

He had soreness in his knee on September 30th.  As a result, the Sixers kept him out of all but their final preseason game in which he was limited to an 8 minute limit (he played 7).  He has been on a minutes restriction basically all season.  Healthy people don't have minutes restrictions and don't miss basically the entire preseason.

yea. My question is what is going on? Soreness 6 months after a 6 week recovery time is just something that is accepted as normal? No explanation ever given?

Tank keeps rollin

1) They were a worse team when Okafor was on the floor last year right? How would not playing him help them tank? Maybe it is the opposite they are not playing him because they no longer want to tank? The signings of Henderson and Bayless obviously pushed them away from 15 win territory (even without simmons).

I'm giving Okafor the same pass I'm giving Jaylen Brown.  While #3 pick Okafor managed to average 17.5 points, 7 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 1.2 blocks with 51% shooting as a 19/20 year old rookie, our #3 pick Jaylen is currently averaging 5.8 points, 2.3 rebounds, 0.7 assists, 0.4 blocks with 44% shooting as a 20 year old rookie... all while displaying lackluster defense that has seen his minutes in sharp decline. 

Sure, I could sit here and nitpick every aspect of Jaylen's minuscule impact on the game and how he currently ranks towards the bottom on our team in numerous conventional and advanced statistical categories, how he's on the verge of falling out of the top 10 in the rookie ladder, and how he doesn't pass the eye test in any way shape or form.  But I understand he's a 20 year old with a long way to go.   I don't see the point in nitpicking Jaylen right now.  I don't see the point in nitpicking Okafor either.   As far as I can tell, Okafor is still a better prospect than any player on our team under the age of 24 in spite of his indisputable current flaws.  No telling how he develops though.

Lar, I want to agree with you re: Okafor, but you make it so hard. You don't want to nitpick Jaylen, so then you decide to write a paragraph nitpicking Jaylen. Also, he doesn't pass the eye test? He might be the most explosive player in the whole draft. The only test he's actually passing right now is the eye test- the guy shows electricity on a regular basis.

Nobody respects Jaylen Brown more than I do.  I don't see the point in nitpicking him, showing that his Per-36 stats are bottom 4 on the entire team, pointing out that his shorts are below regulation or that his haircut went out of style with Kid N Play.  I'm not going to do that.  Jaylen gets a pass on his dismal stats and exceptionally raw basketball skills because he's a young guy.  I don't see the point in nitpicking him and pointing out that he was widely seen as the 8th best player in the draft and that early results suggest we blew it by not selecting Jamal Murray, or that the eye test suggests he's more raw than Gerald Green was as a rookie... it's too early to make those kind of comments.  Just like it's too early to dump on Jahlil Okafor less than 70 games into his spectacular young career.

[celticsclay]

No question he has been an awful rebounder at just 9.9% but for some perspective, Johnson is 10.5% and Jerekbo and Olynyk are 9.7 and 9.5% respectively.  Even Horford is only 11.5%.  Only Zeller and Johnson have a higher ORB% than Okafor this year.  Mind you, Okafor is well below his rookie numbers in those stats, which isn't surprising given he is coming back from a leg injury (you kind of need your legs to rebound).

He was an awful rebounder last year too. So this whole notion of him dealing with a leg injury is just an excuse. This fascination with Okafor is mind-blowing. Looking at the landscape of the league and you'll see similar type players (Monroe and Kanter) are relegated to bench roles. However, those two can actually rebound.

He was an ok rebounder, not an awful rebounder last year (better TRB% than Horford had last year or this year as an example and his 12.8% last year would be 2nd on the team to Zeller this year).  No one is claiming he will ever be like Drummond or Jordan defensively or on the glass, but this notion that he is the worst rebounder in the world is just silly nonsense.  Okafor is an ok rebounder when healthy.  Not elite, but not going to kill you on the glass either (like say Mark Blount).

I am a bit confused about this totally healthy thing with Okafor thing I keep hearing. He had a small surgery in March. The expected recovery time of the surgery for this was 6 weeks:

Philadelphia 76ers rookie center Jahlil Okafor will miss the rest of the 2015-16 regular season with a small meniscus tear in his right knee, the team announced Friday. Okafor will resume basketball activities in six weeks, but because the season is almost over, he will not return to the court within that time frame.

Okafor has not played since Feb. 28 against the Orlando Magic, though he was initially listed out because of a shin injury. He had only missed six previous games this season, two of which were due to an early-season suspension for multiple altercations outside a Boston bar.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/3/11/11208614/jahlil-okafor-injury-76ers-knee

So we are now literally 9 months after an injury that was supposed to take 6 weeks to return from basketball injuries. Does anyone else think it is weird he is still not healthy? Did he have a serious setback or reinjury I met? Is there something else wrong with this guy?

I am a bit confused.

He had soreness in his knee on September 30th.  As a result, the Sixers kept him out of all but their final preseason game in which he was limited to an 8 minute limit (he played 7).  He has been on a minutes restriction basically all season.  Healthy people don't have minutes restrictions and don't miss basically the entire preseason.

yea. My question is what is going on? Soreness 6 months after a 6 week recovery time is just something that is accepted as normal? No explanation ever given?

Tank keeps rollin

1) They were a worse team when Okafor was on the floor last year right? How would not playing him help them tank? Maybe it is the opposite they are not playing him because they no longer want to tank? The signings of Henderson and Bayless obviously pushed them away from 15 win territory (even without simmons).

I'm giving Okafor the same pass I'm giving Jaylen Brown.  While #3 pick Okafor managed to average 17.5 points, 7 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 1.2 blocks with 51% shooting as a 19/20 year old rookie, our #3 pick Jaylen is currently averaging 5.8 points, 2.3 rebounds, 0.7 assists, 0.4 blocks with 44% shooting as a 20 year old rookie... all while displaying lackluster defense that has seen his minutes in sharp decline. 

Sure, I could sit here and nitpick every aspect of Jaylen's minuscule impact on the game and how he currently ranks towards the bottom on our team in numerous conventional and advanced statistical categories, how he's on the verge of falling out of the top 10 in the rookie ladder, and how he doesn't pass the eye test in any way shape or form.  But I understand he's a 20 year old with a long way to go.   I don't see the point in nitpicking Jaylen right now.  I don't see the point in nitpicking Okafor either.   As far as I can tell, Okafor is still a better prospect than any player on our team under the age of 24 in spite of his indisputable current flaws.  No telling how he develops though.

Lar, I want to agree with you re: Okafor, but you make it so hard. You don't want to nitpick Jaylen, so then you decide to write a paragraph nitpicking Jaylen. Also, he doesn't pass the eye test? He might be the most explosive player in the whole draft. The only test he's actually passing right now is the eye test- the guy shows electricity on a regular basis.

Nobody respects Jaylen Brown more than I do.  I don't see the point in nitpicking him, showing that his Per-36 stats are bottom 4 on the entire team, pointing out that his shorts are below regulation or that his haircut went out of style with Kid N Play.  I'm not going to do that.  Jaylen gets a pass on his dismal stats and exceptionally raw basketball skills because he's a young guy.  I don't see the point in nitpicking him and pointing out that he was widely seen as the 8th best player in the draft and that early results suggest we blew it by not selecting Jamal Murray... it's too early to make those kind of comments.  Just like it's too early to dump on Jahlil Okafor less than 70 games into his spectacular young career.

Classic LB. LB gonna do LB. Sure this worked on someone.

[LarBrd33]

No question he has been an awful rebounder at just 9.9% but for some perspective, Johnson is 10.5% and Jerekbo and Olynyk are 9.7 and 9.5% respectively.  Even Horford is only 11.5%.  Only Zeller and Johnson have a higher ORB% than Okafor this year.  Mind you, Okafor is well below his rookie numbers in those stats, which isn't surprising given he is coming back from a leg injury (you kind of need your legs to rebound).

He was an awful rebounder last year too. So this whole notion of him dealing with a leg injury is just an excuse. This fascination with Okafor is mind-blowing. Looking at the landscape of the league and you'll see similar type players (Monroe and Kanter) are relegated to bench roles. However, those two can actually rebound.

He was an ok rebounder, not an awful rebounder last year (better TRB% than Horford had last year or this year as an example and his 12.8% last year would be 2nd on the team to Zeller this year).  No one is claiming he will ever be like Drummond or Jordan defensively or on the glass, but this notion that he is the worst rebounder in the world is just silly nonsense.  Okafor is an ok rebounder when healthy.  Not elite, but not going to kill you on the glass either (like say Mark Blount).

I am a bit confused about this totally healthy thing with Okafor thing I keep hearing. He had a small surgery in March. The expected recovery time of the surgery for this was 6 weeks:

Philadelphia 76ers rookie center Jahlil Okafor will miss the rest of the 2015-16 regular season with a small meniscus tear in his right knee, the team announced Friday. Okafor will resume basketball activities in six weeks, but because the season is almost over, he will not return to the court within that time frame.

Okafor has not played since Feb. 28 against the Orlando Magic, though he was initially listed out because of a shin injury. He had only missed six previous games this season, two of which were due to an early-season suspension for multiple altercations outside a Boston bar.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/3/11/11208614/jahlil-okafor-injury-76ers-knee

So we are now literally 9 months after an injury that was supposed to take 6 weeks to return from basketball injuries. Does anyone else think it is weird he is still not healthy? Did he have a serious setback or reinjury I met? Is there something else wrong with this guy?

I am a bit confused.

He had soreness in his knee on September 30th.  As a result, the Sixers kept him out of all but their final preseason game in which he was limited to an 8 minute limit (he played 7).  He has been on a minutes restriction basically all season.  Healthy people don't have minutes restrictions and don't miss basically the entire preseason.

yea. My question is what is going on? Soreness 6 months after a 6 week recovery time is just something that is accepted as normal? No explanation ever given?

Tank keeps rollin

1) They were a worse team when Okafor was on the floor last year right? How would not playing him help them tank? Maybe it is the opposite they are not playing him because they no longer want to tank? The signings of Henderson and Bayless obviously pushed them away from 15 win territory (even without simmons).

I'm giving Okafor the same pass I'm giving Jaylen Brown.  While #3 pick Okafor managed to average 17.5 points, 7 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 1.2 blocks with 51% shooting as a 19/20 year old rookie, our #3 pick Jaylen is currently averaging 5.8 points, 2.3 rebounds, 0.7 assists, 0.4 blocks with 44% shooting as a 20 year old rookie... all while displaying lackluster defense that has seen his minutes in sharp decline. 

Sure, I could sit here and nitpick every aspect of Jaylen's minuscule impact on the game and how he currently ranks towards the bottom on our team in numerous conventional and advanced statistical categories, how he's on the verge of falling out of the top 10 in the rookie ladder, and how he doesn't pass the eye test in any way shape or form.  But I understand he's a 20 year old with a long way to go.   I don't see the point in nitpicking Jaylen right now.  I don't see the point in nitpicking Okafor either.   As far as I can tell, Okafor is still a better prospect than any player on our team under the age of 24 in spite of his indisputable current flaws.  No telling how he develops though.

Lar, I want to agree with you re: Okafor, but you make it so hard. You don't want to nitpick Jaylen, so then you decide to write a paragraph nitpicking Jaylen. Also, he doesn't pass the eye test? He might be the most explosive player in the whole draft. The only test he's actually passing right now is the eye test- the guy shows electricity on a regular basis.

Nobody respects Jaylen Brown more than I do.  I don't see the point in nitpicking him, showing that his Per-36 stats are bottom 4 on the entire team, pointing out that his shorts are below regulation or that his haircut went out of style with Kid N Play.  I'm not going to do that.  Jaylen gets a pass on his dismal stats and exceptionally raw basketball skills because he's a young guy.  I don't see the point in nitpicking him and pointing out that he was widely seen as the 8th best player in the draft and that early results suggest we blew it by not selecting Jamal Murray... it's too early to make those kind of comments.  Just like it's too early to dump on Jahlil Okafor less than 70 games into his spectacular young career.

Classic LB. LB gonna do LB. Sure this worked on someone.

I'm just saying, I'm not going to nitpick Jaylen or Okafor yet.  It's too early.  They both get a pass.  I don't see the point in nitpicking Jaylen by editing my above comment to point out that Gerald Green as a rookie passed the "eye test" more than Jaylen so far.  There's no point to that.   Jaylen and Okafor deserve a pass until we're at least in season 3 of them being a massive disappointment - like Marcus Smart, for instance. 

[celticsclay]

No question he has been an awful rebounder at just 9.9% but for some perspective, Johnson is 10.5% and Jerekbo and Olynyk are 9.7 and 9.5% respectively.  Even Horford is only 11.5%.  Only Zeller and Johnson have a higher ORB% than Okafor this year.  Mind you, Okafor is well below his rookie numbers in those stats, which isn't surprising given he is coming back from a leg injury (you kind of need your legs to rebound).

He was an awful rebounder last year too. So this whole notion of him dealing with a leg injury is just an excuse. This fascination with Okafor is mind-blowing. Looking at the landscape of the league and you'll see similar type players (Monroe and Kanter) are relegated to bench roles. However, those two can actually rebound.

He was an ok rebounder, not an awful rebounder last year (better TRB% than Horford had last year or this year as an example and his 12.8% last year would be 2nd on the team to Zeller this year).  No one is claiming he will ever be like Drummond or Jordan defensively or on the glass, but this notion that he is the worst rebounder in the world is just silly nonsense.  Okafor is an ok rebounder when healthy.  Not elite, but not going to kill you on the glass either (like say Mark Blount).

I am a bit confused about this totally healthy thing with Okafor thing I keep hearing. He had a small surgery in March. The expected recovery time of the surgery for this was 6 weeks:

Philadelphia 76ers rookie center Jahlil Okafor will miss the rest of the 2015-16 regular season with a small meniscus tear in his right knee, the team announced Friday. Okafor will resume basketball activities in six weeks, but because the season is almost over, he will not return to the court within that time frame.

Okafor has not played since Feb. 28 against the Orlando Magic, though he was initially listed out because of a shin injury. He had only missed six previous games this season, two of which were due to an early-season suspension for multiple altercations outside a Boston bar.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/3/11/11208614/jahlil-okafor-injury-76ers-knee

So we are now literally 9 months after an injury that was supposed to take 6 weeks to return from basketball injuries. Does anyone else think it is weird he is still not healthy? Did he have a serious setback or reinjury I met? Is there something else wrong with this guy?

I am a bit confused.

He had soreness in his knee on September 30th.  As a result, the Sixers kept him out of all but their final preseason game in which he was limited to an 8 minute limit (he played 7).  He has been on a minutes restriction basically all season.  Healthy people don't have minutes restrictions and don't miss basically the entire preseason.

yea. My question is what is going on? Soreness 6 months after a 6 week recovery time is just something that is accepted as normal? No explanation ever given?

Tank keeps rollin

1) They were a worse team when Okafor was on the floor last year right? How would not playing him help them tank? Maybe it is the opposite they are not playing him because they no longer want to tank? The signings of Henderson and Bayless obviously pushed them away from 15 win territory (even without simmons).

I'm giving Okafor the same pass I'm giving Jaylen Brown.  While #3 pick Okafor managed to average 17.5 points, 7 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 1.2 blocks with 51% shooting as a 19/20 year old rookie, our #3 pick Jaylen is currently averaging 5.8 points, 2.3 rebounds, 0.7 assists, 0.4 blocks with 44% shooting as a 20 year old rookie... all while displaying lackluster defense that has seen his minutes in sharp decline. 

Sure, I could sit here and nitpick every aspect of Jaylen's minuscule impact on the game and how he currently ranks towards the bottom on our team in numerous conventional and advanced statistical categories, how he's on the verge of falling out of the top 10 in the rookie ladder, and how he doesn't pass the eye test in any way shape or form.  But I understand he's a 20 year old with a long way to go.   I don't see the point in nitpicking Jaylen right now.  I don't see the point in nitpicking Okafor either.   As far as I can tell, Okafor is still a better prospect than any player on our team under the age of 24 in spite of his indisputable current flaws.  No telling how he develops though.

Lar, I want to agree with you re: Okafor, but you make it so hard. You don't want to nitpick Jaylen, so then you decide to write a paragraph nitpicking Jaylen. Also, he doesn't pass the eye test? He might be the most explosive player in the whole draft. The only test he's actually passing right now is the eye test- the guy shows electricity on a regular basis.

Nobody respects Jaylen Brown more than I do.  I don't see the point in nitpicking him, showing that his Per-36 stats are bottom 4 on the entire team, pointing out that his shorts are below regulation or that his haircut went out of style with Kid N Play.  I'm not going to do that.  Jaylen gets a pass on his dismal stats and exceptionally raw basketball skills because he's a young guy.  I don't see the point in nitpicking him and pointing out that he was widely seen as the 8th best player in the draft and that early results suggest we blew it by not selecting Jamal Murray... it's too early to make those kind of comments.  Just like it's too early to dump on Jahlil Okafor less than 70 games into his spectacular young career.

Classic LB. LB gonna do LB. Sure this worked on someone.

I'm just saying, I'm not going to nitpick Jaylen or Okafor yet.  It's too early.  They both get a pass.  I don't see the point in nitpicking Jaylen by editing my above comment to point out that Gerald Green as a rookie passed the "eye test" more than Jaylen so far.  There's no point to that.   Jaylen and Okafor deserve a pass until we're at least in season 3 of them being a massive disappointment - like Marcus Smart, for instance.

double down!

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No question he has been an awful rebounder at just 9.9% but for some perspective, Johnson is 10.5% and Jerekbo and Olynyk are 9.7 and 9.5% respectively.  Even Horford is only 11.5%.  Only Zeller and Johnson have a higher ORB% than Okafor this year.  Mind you, Okafor is well below his rookie numbers in those stats, which isn't surprising given he is coming back from a leg injury (you kind of need your legs to rebound).

He was an awful rebounder last year too. So this whole notion of him dealing with a leg injury is just an excuse. This fascination with Okafor is mind-blowing. Looking at the landscape of the league and you'll see similar type players (Monroe and Kanter) are relegated to bench roles. However, those two can actually rebound.

He was an ok rebounder, not an awful rebounder last year (better TRB% than Horford had last year or this year as an example and his 12.8% last year would be 2nd on the team to Zeller this year).  No one is claiming he will ever be like Drummond or Jordan defensively or on the glass, but this notion that he is the worst rebounder in the world is just silly nonsense.  Okafor is an ok rebounder when healthy.  Not elite, but not going to kill you on the glass either (like say Mark Blount).

I am a bit confused about this totally healthy thing with Okafor thing I keep hearing. He had a small surgery in March. The expected recovery time of the surgery for this was 6 weeks:

Philadelphia 76ers rookie center Jahlil Okafor will miss the rest of the 2015-16 regular season with a small meniscus tear in his right knee, the team announced Friday. Okafor will resume basketball activities in six weeks, but because the season is almost over, he will not return to the court within that time frame.

Okafor has not played since Feb. 28 against the Orlando Magic, though he was initially listed out because of a shin injury. He had only missed six previous games this season, two of which were due to an early-season suspension for multiple altercations outside a Boston bar.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/3/11/11208614/jahlil-okafor-injury-76ers-knee

So we are now literally 9 months after an injury that was supposed to take 6 weeks to return from basketball injuries. Does anyone else think it is weird he is still not healthy? Did he have a serious setback or reinjury I met? Is there something else wrong with this guy?

I am a bit confused.

He had soreness in his knee on September 30th.  As a result, the Sixers kept him out of all but their final preseason game in which he was limited to an 8 minute limit (he played 7).  He has been on a minutes restriction basically all season.  Healthy people don't have minutes restrictions and don't miss basically the entire preseason.

yea. My question is what is going on? Soreness 6 months after a 6 week recovery time is just something that is accepted as normal? No explanation ever given?

Tank keeps rollin

1) They were a worse team when Okafor was on the floor last year right? How would not playing him help them tank? Maybe it is the opposite they are not playing him because they no longer want to tank? The signings of Henderson and Bayless obviously pushed them away from 15 win territory (even without simmons).

I'm giving Okafor the same pass I'm giving Jaylen Brown.  While #3 pick Okafor managed to average 17.5 points, 7 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 1.2 blocks with 51% shooting as a 19/20 year old rookie, our #3 pick Jaylen is currently averaging 5.8 points, 2.3 rebounds, 0.7 assists, 0.4 blocks with 44% shooting as a 20 year old rookie... all while displaying lackluster defense that has seen his minutes in sharp decline. 

Sure, I could sit here and nitpick every aspect of Jaylen's minuscule impact on the game and how he currently ranks towards the bottom on our team in numerous conventional and advanced statistical categories, how he's on the verge of falling out of the top 10 in the rookie ladder, and how he doesn't pass the eye test in any way shape or form.  But I understand he's a 20 year old with a long way to go.   I don't see the point in nitpicking Jaylen right now.  I don't see the point in nitpicking Okafor either.   As far as I can tell, Okafor is still a better prospect than any player on our team under the age of 24 in spite of his indisputable current flaws.  No telling how he develops though.

Lar, I want to agree with you re: Okafor, but you make it so hard. You don't want to nitpick Jaylen, so then you decide to write a paragraph nitpicking Jaylen. Also, he doesn't pass the eye test? He might be the most explosive player in the whole draft. The only test he's actually passing right now is the eye test- the guy shows electricity on a regular basis.

Nobody respects Jaylen Brown more than I do.  I don't see the point in nitpicking him, showing that his Per-36 stats are bottom 4 on the entire team, pointing out that his shorts are below regulation or that his haircut went out of style with Kid N Play.  I'm not going to do that.  Jaylen gets a pass on his dismal stats and exceptionally raw basketball skills because he's a young guy.  I don't see the point in nitpicking him and pointing out that he was widely seen as the 8th best player in the draft and that early results suggest we blew it by not selecting Jamal Murray... it's too early to make those kind of comments.  Just like it's too early to dump on Jahlil Okafor less than 70 games into his spectacular young career.

Classic LB. LB gonna do LB. Sure this worked on someone.

I'm just saying, I'm not going to nitpick Jaylen or Okafor yet.  It's too early.  They both get a pass.  I don't see the point in nitpicking Jaylen by editing my above comment to point out that Gerald Green as a rookie passed the "eye test" more than Jaylen so far.  There's no point to that.   Jaylen and Okafor deserve a pass until we're at least in season 3 of them being a massive disappointment - like Marcus Smart, for instance.

double down!

I'm just saying, I think Okafor's flaws deserve the same default rebuttal we hear anytime someone points out the flaws of our lesser prospects:

"But Chauncey Billups Tho"

It's only fair that we give Okafor the same 5 year "Chauncey Billups" pass we give our own lesser prospects.