sign howard

[D Dub]

Well considering we'd have to trade good wing players plus lotto picks for Cousins, I'm inclined to lean towards Dwight. 

To me, the combo of IT, AB, Smart, Crowder, & Turner is more important than a subset of those guys plus Cousins.  Without that defense cohesion, we become a very average team (ie- look what happened when we lost AB against ATL). 

For that reason, I'd prefer keep the core together and just add Howard even though he is (obviously) less desirable. 

[Roy H.]

The "exact type" of player the Celtics need isn't a whiny quitter with no leadership qualities who has now burned bridges with three franchises. Spending 35% of your cap on a breaking down prima donna non-star is a good way to kill a rebuild.

I'd rather have Mahimi, Ezeli, Pachulia, Horford, or even Big Al.  All should be much cheaper (even Horford won't approach $31 million), and none have the baggage.

I don't really how you hate Howard's personality but don't mind Cousins' personality at all.  They are similar to me.  And Cousins will be on his 3rd team someday too.  Too me they are both clowns.

Cousins is passionate about winning and is fiercely loyal, he improves his game every year, and he's a much better player who makes roughly 40% of the salary that Howard is demanding.

1.  Cousins is a headcase far beyond ANYTHING of which Howard has been accused.

2.  Howard can demand whatever he wants.  That doesn't mean he's going to get it.

3.  Cousins has also never won more than 33 games in any season in his career.  Howard won 36 games as a 19 year old rookie and has been the best player on multiple 50 win teams.

Not wanting Howard makes sense.  Wanting Cousins instead is dumb.

Mike

Haha. When deciding what's "dumb", I'll consider the source.

In my world, taking the guy who is several years younger, costs about half as much, and who is a better player pretty much across the board makes sense.  I'll take the best center in the NBA, not the guy who was good multiple franchises ago.

And that is why GMs lose their jobs.

Cousins has accomplished NOTHING in the NBA.  He's been a problem for coach after coach after coach.  He's been on losing team after losing team after losing team.  And he's only under contract for the next two seasons, at which point he'll be demanding even more money than Dwight is now.

But none of that matters to you because you're blinded by potential.

Dumb.

Mike

Okay, I'll put on my mod hat for a moment:  calling others "dumb" is a personal attack.  You've now done it twice now.  If it happens again, it will be treated as a third offense. 

Trading for the best center in the NBA, who is only 25 years old and who has two years left on a bargain contract, doesn't get GMs fired, because it never happens.  Opportunities to acquire talent like that are exceedingly rare. 

Spending 35% of the cap on an over the hill prima donna non-star center is the type of thing that gets people fired, although I think Danny is safe no matter what he does.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Cousins and Howard have had their issues, but from my perspective, it seems that Cousins' issues have been more about being a fiery guy, whereas Howard's stem more from always wanting to be treated like "the man" but without developing the skills and leadership qualities such a title would entail.

Yes, each can be a knucklehead, but I'd rather deal with Cousins—particularly given that he's younger and a better overall player.

Cousins gets a lot of flack for never being on anything close to a winning team, but come on, it's freakin' Sacramento. I'd never call Orlando a well-run organization, but it's had spells where it was run fairly well and the team found some success as a result. Whereas Sacramento has always been a joke, and got rid of the only coach Cousins ever liked and would listen to (Malone). And Cousins has never been surrounded by the level of talent Howard's had around him for most of his career.

[ThePaintedArea]

The "exact type" of player the Celtics need isn't a whiny quitter with no leadership qualities who has now burned bridges with three franchises. Spending 35% of your cap on a breaking down prima donna non-star is a good way to kill a rebuild.

I'd rather have Mahimi, Ezeli, Pachulia, Horford, or even Big Al.  All should be much cheaper (even Horford won't approach $31 million), and none have the baggage.

 I think the Celts need to overpay and gamble on a guy who maybe has had some issues elsewhere.

Why? On the contrary, they're holding all the cards here. They can afford to be patient. Dwight has had a couple of off years in a row, has an injury history that looks like it might be catching up with him, has a game that doesn't fit the Celtics, is significantly older than their core players, and has earned a reputation as a locker room problem.

Sure, you'd prefer for it to be somebody younger, or more cost-efficient.

Quite agree. I would only add, "or does more to help you win".

And while mentally / personality wise I'd much prefer Horford, I think Dwight might improve the Celts much more on the court.

I'm surprised by this claim, given their results for the last couple of years.

Ultimately, I think this will probably be a non-issue because Dwight will sign with a team that has lower expectations and less media scrutiny, i.e. Charlotte, Milwaukee, Orlando, Portland.  Perhaps Atlanta.

I think that you're right about him not signing with Boston. Of the teams you mention, only Atlanta is in the right part of the cycle to add him, and they are doubtless  considering the risks and rewards of various gambles at this point.

[2short]

One of those players that I never want to see in a Celtics uniform. 

[CoachBo]

The "exact type" of player the Celtics need isn't a whiny quitter with no leadership qualities who has now burned bridges with three franchises. Spending 35% of your cap on a breaking down prima donna non-star is a good way to kill a rebuild.

I'd rather have Mahimi, Ezeli, Pachulia, Horford, or even Big Al.  All should be much cheaper (even Horford won't approach $31 million), and none have the baggage.

I don't really how you hate Howard's personality but don't mind Cousins' personality at all.  They are similar to me.  And Cousins will be on his 3rd team someday too.  Too me they are both clowns.

Cousins is passionate about winning and is fiercely loyal, he improves his game every year, and he's a much better player who makes roughly 40% of the salary that Howard is demanding.

1.  Cousins is a headcase far beyond ANYTHING of which Howard has been accused.

2.  Howard can demand whatever he wants.  That doesn't mean he's going to get it.

3.  Cousins has also never won more than 33 games in any season in his career.  Howard won 36 games as a 19 year old rookie and has been the best player on multiple 50 win teams.

Not wanting Howard makes sense.  Wanting Cousins instead is dumb.

Mike

Haha. When deciding what's "dumb", I'll consider the source.

In my world, taking the guy who is several years younger, costs about half as much, and who is a better player pretty much across the board makes sense.  I'll take the best center in the NBA, not the guy who was good multiple franchises ago.

And that is why GMs lose their jobs.

Cousins has accomplished NOTHING in the NBA.  He's been a problem for coach after coach after coach.  He's been on losing team after losing team after losing team.  And he's only under contract for the next two seasons, at which point he'll be demanding even more money than Dwight is now.

But none of that matters to you because you're blinded by potential.

Dumb.

Mike

Okay, I'll put on my mod hat for a moment:  calling others "dumb" is a personal attack.  You've now done it twice now.  If it happens again, it will be treated as a third offense. 

Trading for the best center in the NBA, who is only 25 years old and who has two years left on a bargain contract, doesn't get GMs fired, because it never happens.  Opportunities to acquire talent like that are exceedingly rare. 

Spending 35% of the cap on an over the hill prima donna non-star center is the type of thing that gets people fired, although I think Danny is safe no matter what he does.

Not with me.

There are two things Ainge could do this summer that would have me calling for his job.

Signing the rotting corpse of Dwight Howard would be one of them.

[Timdawgg]

The "exact type" of player the Celtics need isn't a whiny quitter with no leadership qualities who has now burned bridges with three franchises. Spending 35% of your cap on a breaking down prima donna non-star is a good way to kill a rebuild.

I'd rather have Mahimi, Ezeli, Pachulia, Horford, or even Big Al.  All should be much cheaper (even Horford won't approach $31 million), and none have the baggage.

I don't really how you hate Howard's personality but don't mind Cousins' personality at all.  They are similar to me.  And Cousins will be on his 3rd team someday too.  Too me they are both clowns.

Cousins is passionate about winning and is fiercely loyal, he improves his game every year, and he's a much better player who makes roughly 40% of the salary that Howard is demanding.

1.  Cousins is a headcase far beyond ANYTHING of which Howard has been accused.

2.  Howard can demand whatever he wants.  That doesn't mean he's going to get it.

3.  Cousins has also never won more than 33 games in any season in his career.  Howard won 36 games as a 19 year old rookie and has been the best player on multiple 50 win teams.

Not wanting Howard makes sense.  Wanting Cousins instead is dumb.

Mike

Haha. When deciding what's "dumb", I'll consider the source.

In my world, taking the guy who is several years younger, costs about half as much, and who is a better player pretty much across the board makes sense.  I'll take the best center in the NBA, not the guy who was good multiple franchises ago.

And that is why GMs lose their jobs.

Cousins has accomplished NOTHING in the NBA.  He's been a problem for coach after coach after coach.  He's been on losing team after losing team after losing team.  And he's only under contract for the next two seasons, at which point he'll be demanding even more money than Dwight is now.

But none of that matters to you because you're blinded by potential.

Dumb.

Mike

Okay, I'll put on my mod hat for a moment:  calling others "dumb" is a personal attack.  You've now done it twice now.  If it happens again, it will be treated as a third offense. 

Trading for the best center in the NBA, who is only 25 years old and who has two years left on a bargain contract, doesn't get GMs fired, because it never happens.  Opportunities to acquire talent like that are exceedingly rare. 

Spending 35% of the cap on an over the hill prima donna non-star center is the type of thing that gets people fired, although I think Danny is safe no matter what he does.

Not with me.

There are two things Ainge could do this summer that would have me calling for his job.

Signing the rotting corpse of Dwight Howard would be one of them.

Inquiring minds want to know what the second one is?? 

[Chris22]

Durant or Ingram, please.

[alldaboston]

The "exact type" of player the Celtics need isn't a whiny quitter with no leadership qualities who has now burned bridges with three franchises. Spending 35% of your cap on a breaking down prima donna non-star is a good way to kill a rebuild.

I'd rather have Mahimi, Ezeli, Pachulia, Horford, or even Big Al.  All should be much cheaper (even Horford won't approach $31 million), and none have the baggage.

I don't really how you hate Howard's personality but don't mind Cousins' personality at all.  They are similar to me.  And Cousins will be on his 3rd team someday too.  Too me they are both clowns.

Cousins is passionate about winning and is fiercely loyal, he improves his game every year, and he's a much better player who makes roughly 40% of the salary that Howard is demanding.

1.  Cousins is a headcase far beyond ANYTHING of which Howard has been accused.

2.  Howard can demand whatever he wants.  That doesn't mean he's going to get it.

3.  Cousins has also never won more than 33 games in any season in his career.  Howard won 36 games as a 19 year old rookie and has been the best player on multiple 50 win teams.

Not wanting Howard makes sense.  Wanting Cousins instead is dumb.

Mike

Haha. When deciding what's "dumb", I'll consider the source.

In my world, taking the guy who is several years younger, costs about half as much, and who is a better player pretty much across the board makes sense.  I'll take the best center in the NBA, not the guy who was good multiple franchises ago.

And that is why GMs lose their jobs.

Cousins has accomplished NOTHING in the NBA.  He's been a problem for coach after coach after coach.  He's been on losing team after losing team after losing team.  And he's only under contract for the next two seasons, at which point he'll be demanding even more money than Dwight is now.

But none of that matters to you because you're blinded by potential.

Dumb.

Mike

Okay, I'll put on my mod hat for a moment:  calling others "dumb" is a personal attack.  You've now done it twice now.  If it happens again, it will be treated as a third offense. 

Trading for the best center in the NBA, who is only 25 years old and who has two years left on a bargain contract, doesn't get GMs fired, because it never happens.  Opportunities to acquire talent like that are exceedingly rare. 

Spending 35% of the cap on an over the hill prima donna non-star center is the type of thing that gets people fired, although I think Danny is safe no matter what he does.

Not with me.

There are two things Ainge could do this summer that would have me calling for his job.

Signing the rotting corpse of Dwight Howard would be one of them.

If Danny gets fired, I hope you're hired instead. Your friends who are also sources and scouts would immensely improve this team so much. You call for Danny to get better talent around Brad all the time. And that Brad is gonna leave if we don't get talent. Then go ahead, get us talent.

[Smart457]

The "exact type" of player the Celtics need isn't a whiny quitter with no leadership qualities who has now burned bridges with three franchises. Spending 35% of your cap on a breaking down prima donna non-star is a good way to kill a rebuild.

I'd rather have Mahimi, Ezeli, Pachulia, Horford, or even Big Al.  All should be much cheaper (even Horford won't approach $31 million), and none have the baggage.

I don't really how you hate Howard's personality but don't mind Cousins' personality at all.  They are similar to me.  And Cousins will be on his 3rd team someday too.  Too me they are both clowns.

Cousins is passionate about winning and is fiercely loyal, he improves his game every year, and he's a much better player who makes roughly 40% of the salary that Howard is demanding.

1.  Cousins is a headcase far beyond ANYTHING of which Howard has been accused.

2.  Howard can demand whatever he wants.  That doesn't mean he's going to get it.

3.  Cousins has also never won more than 33 games in any season in his career.  Howard won 36 games as a 19 year old rookie and has been the best player on multiple 50 win teams.

Not wanting Howard makes sense.  Wanting Cousins instead is dumb.

Mike

Haha. When deciding what's "dumb", I'll consider the source.

In my world, taking the guy who is several years younger, costs about half as much, and who is a better player pretty much across the board makes sense.  I'll take the best center in the NBA, not the guy who was good multiple franchises ago.

And that is why GMs lose their jobs.

Cousins has accomplished NOTHING in the NBA.  He's been a problem for coach after coach after coach.  He's been on losing team after losing team after losing team.  And he's only under contract for the next two seasons, at which point he'll be demanding even more money than Dwight is now.

But none of that matters to you because you're blinded by potential.

Dumb.

Mike

Okay, I'll put on my mod hat for a moment:  calling others "dumb" is a personal attack.  You've now done it twice now.  If it happens again, it will be treated as a third offense. 

Trading for the best center in the NBA, who is only 25 years old and who has two years left on a bargain contract, doesn't get GMs fired, because it never happens.  Opportunities to acquire talent like that are exceedingly rare. 

Spending 35% of the cap on an over the hill prima donna non-star center is the type of thing that gets people fired, although I think Danny is safe no matter what he does.

I don't think he's directly calling you dumb. He's saying wanting Cousins is dumb or that wanting potential is dumb instead of just taking Cousins for what he is.

[Smart457]

Durant or Ingram, please.

Ok all set.

[Roy H.]

The "exact type" of player the Celtics need isn't a whiny quitter with no leadership qualities who has now burned bridges with three franchises. Spending 35% of your cap on a breaking down prima donna non-star is a good way to kill a rebuild.

I'd rather have Mahimi, Ezeli, Pachulia, Horford, or even Big Al.  All should be much cheaper (even Horford won't approach $31 million), and none have the baggage.

I don't really how you hate Howard's personality but don't mind Cousins' personality at all.  They are similar to me.  And Cousins will be on his 3rd team someday too.  Too me they are both clowns.

Cousins is passionate about winning and is fiercely loyal, he improves his game every year, and he's a much better player who makes roughly 40% of the salary that Howard is demanding.

1.  Cousins is a headcase far beyond ANYTHING of which Howard has been accused.

2.  Howard can demand whatever he wants.  That doesn't mean he's going to get it.

3.  Cousins has also never won more than 33 games in any season in his career.  Howard won 36 games as a 19 year old rookie and has been the best player on multiple 50 win teams.

Not wanting Howard makes sense.  Wanting Cousins instead is dumb.

Mike

Haha. When deciding what's "dumb", I'll consider the source.

In my world, taking the guy who is several years younger, costs about half as much, and who is a better player pretty much across the board makes sense.  I'll take the best center in the NBA, not the guy who was good multiple franchises ago.

And that is why GMs lose their jobs.

Cousins has accomplished NOTHING in the NBA.  He's been a problem for coach after coach after coach.  He's been on losing team after losing team after losing team.  And he's only under contract for the next two seasons, at which point he'll be demanding even more money than Dwight is now.

But none of that matters to you because you're blinded by potential.

Dumb.

Mike

Okay, I'll put on my mod hat for a moment:  calling others "dumb" is a personal attack.  You've now done it twice now.  If it happens again, it will be treated as a third offense. 

Trading for the best center in the NBA, who is only 25 years old and who has two years left on a bargain contract, doesn't get GMs fired, because it never happens.  Opportunities to acquire talent like that are exceedingly rare. 

Spending 35% of the cap on an over the hill prima donna non-star center is the type of thing that gets people fired, although I think Danny is safe no matter what he does.

I don't think he's directly calling you dumb. He's saying wanting Cousins is dumb or that wanting potential is dumb instead of just taking Cousins for what he is.

It's a distinction without a difference. Leave the moderating to the staff, please.

[SHAQATTACK]

One of those players that I never want to see in a Celtics uniform.

+1

[CoachBo]

The "exact type" of player the Celtics need isn't a whiny quitter with no leadership qualities who has now burned bridges with three franchises. Spending 35% of your cap on a breaking down prima donna non-star is a good way to kill a rebuild.

I'd rather have Mahimi, Ezeli, Pachulia, Horford, or even Big Al.  All should be much cheaper (even Horford won't approach $31 million), and none have the baggage.

I don't really how you hate Howard's personality but don't mind Cousins' personality at all.  They are similar to me.  And Cousins will be on his 3rd team someday too.  Too me they are both clowns.

Cousins is passionate about winning and is fiercely loyal, he improves his game every year, and he's a much better player who makes roughly 40% of the salary that Howard is demanding.

1.  Cousins is a headcase far beyond ANYTHING of which Howard has been accused.

2.  Howard can demand whatever he wants.  That doesn't mean he's going to get it.

3.  Cousins has also never won more than 33 games in any season in his career.  Howard won 36 games as a 19 year old rookie and has been the best player on multiple 50 win teams.

Not wanting Howard makes sense.  Wanting Cousins instead is dumb.

Mike

Haha. When deciding what's "dumb", I'll consider the source.

In my world, taking the guy who is several years younger, costs about half as much, and who is a better player pretty much across the board makes sense.  I'll take the best center in the NBA, not the guy who was good multiple franchises ago.

And that is why GMs lose their jobs.

Cousins has accomplished NOTHING in the NBA.  He's been a problem for coach after coach after coach.  He's been on losing team after losing team after losing team.  And he's only under contract for the next two seasons, at which point he'll be demanding even more money than Dwight is now.

But none of that matters to you because you're blinded by potential.

Dumb.

Mike

Okay, I'll put on my mod hat for a moment:  calling others "dumb" is a personal attack.  You've now done it twice now.  If it happens again, it will be treated as a third offense. 

Trading for the best center in the NBA, who is only 25 years old and who has two years left on a bargain contract, doesn't get GMs fired, because it never happens.  Opportunities to acquire talent like that are exceedingly rare. 

Spending 35% of the cap on an over the hill prima donna non-star center is the type of thing that gets people fired, although I think Danny is safe no matter what he does.

Not with me.

There are two things Ainge could do this summer that would have me calling for his job.

Signing the rotting corpse of Dwight Howard would be one of them.

Inquiring minds want to know what the second one is?? 

Blowing the best Celtics draft pick in 20 years on that stiff Dragan Bender.

[CoachBo]

The "exact type" of player the Celtics need isn't a whiny quitter with no leadership qualities who has now burned bridges with three franchises. Spending 35% of your cap on a breaking down prima donna non-star is a good way to kill a rebuild.

I'd rather have Mahimi, Ezeli, Pachulia, Horford, or even Big Al.  All should be much cheaper (even Horford won't approach $31 million), and none have the baggage.

I don't really how you hate Howard's personality but don't mind Cousins' personality at all.  They are similar to me.  And Cousins will be on his 3rd team someday too.  Too me they are both clowns.

Cousins is passionate about winning and is fiercely loyal, he improves his game every year, and he's a much better player who makes roughly 40% of the salary that Howard is demanding.

1.  Cousins is a headcase far beyond ANYTHING of which Howard has been accused.

2.  Howard can demand whatever he wants.  That doesn't mean he's going to get it.

3.  Cousins has also never won more than 33 games in any season in his career.  Howard won 36 games as a 19 year old rookie and has been the best player on multiple 50 win teams.

Not wanting Howard makes sense.  Wanting Cousins instead is dumb.

Mike

Haha. When deciding what's "dumb", I'll consider the source.

In my world, taking the guy who is several years younger, costs about half as much, and who is a better player pretty much across the board makes sense.  I'll take the best center in the NBA, not the guy who was good multiple franchises ago.

And that is why GMs lose their jobs.

Cousins has accomplished NOTHING in the NBA.  He's been a problem for coach after coach after coach.  He's been on losing team after losing team after losing team.  And he's only under contract for the next two seasons, at which point he'll be demanding even more money than Dwight is now.

But none of that matters to you because you're blinded by potential.

Dumb.

Mike

Okay, I'll put on my mod hat for a moment:  calling others "dumb" is a personal attack.  You've now done it twice now.  If it happens again, it will be treated as a third offense. 

Trading for the best center in the NBA, who is only 25 years old and who has two years left on a bargain contract, doesn't get GMs fired, because it never happens.  Opportunities to acquire talent like that are exceedingly rare. 

Spending 35% of the cap on an over the hill prima donna non-star center is the type of thing that gets people fired, although I think Danny is safe no matter what he does.

Not with me.

There are two things Ainge could do this summer that would have me calling for his job.

Signing the rotting corpse of Dwight Howard would be one of them.

If Danny gets fired, I hope you're hired instead. Your friends who are also sources and scouts would immensely improve this team so much. You call for Danny to get better talent around Brad all the time. And that Brad is gonna leave if we don't get talent. Then go ahead, get us talent.

Personal attacks with a moderator in the thread.

Very nice.