If I had a chance to trade Smart For Elfrid Peyton I would do it in a heartbeat

[piercetruth34]

I think Smart definitely is a pg.  I don't think he will play pg every play but that's what makes him even more enticing is he can move around.  Dennis Johnson used to move around and switch with Ainge and Ainge knows this.  He wants guys who can do different things.  But smart right now depending on the game has played some games where it's 30 percent pg and other games he's been playing the majority of his time there.   They are developing him.  He's a pg though.

One of Smart's best assets is his leadership and toughness do you really believe the Celtics aren't going to play him at pg?!

[Sketch5]

Smart is shooting threes because the coaching staff has him on the 3pt diet, like they did with Sully last season. It makes sense to work on your weaknesses in a season that doesn't matter. And nothing beats in game reps.

A lot of guys can do what Payton does in the league, question can he take it to the next step? Can Smart? Who knows. But I'd wouldn't trade a developing Smart for a 3 month sample of a developing Payton on a bad team with poor basketball development.

[celtics2030]

I think Smart definitely is a pg.  I don't think he will play pg every play but that's what makes him even more enticing is he can move around.  Dennis Johnson used to move around and switch with Ainge and Ainge knows this.  He wants guys who can do different things.  But smart right now depending on the game has played some games where it's 30 percent pg and other games he's been playing the majority of his time there.   They are developing him.  He's a pg though.

He is a point guard.

What he is doing right now though? Not very point guard.

He does have the ability to pass, but his penetration has been non existant.

Everytime I see him drive to the basket, which has been very very minimal he gets rejected. sometimes it looks like he thinks its college basketball.

He stole the ball yesterday and got destroyed from behind by Kent Bazemore

the other time he got blocked by Antic...

[celtics2030]

Smart is shooting threes because the coaching staff has him on the 3pt diet, like they did with Sully last season. It makes sense to work on your weaknesses in a season that doesn't matter. And nothing beats in game reps.

A lot of guys can do what Payton does in the league, question can he take it to the next step? Can Smart? Who knows. But I'd wouldn't trade a developing Smart for a 3 month sample of a developing Payton on a bad team with poor basketball development.

I dont buy that 3 point diet thing. I think that is nonsense. If he cant drive to the hole , then its his problem.

I have no problem with you keeping Smart. This thread is not about that, its about discussing whos skillset is better and who is naturally going to be better because of it.

You can keep Smart. I hope he turns out better.

But Im afraid that Payton is the better player.

And my doubts about Smart are true.

[piercetruth34]

If we wanted Elfriid Payton at pg we wouldn't have traded Rondo.  We traded Rondo because we have Smart and the Celtics obviously feel he can be a pg.  Otherwise what are we doing.  Smart has been advertised as a leader and his toughness and that's what we want at pg.  He's also been efficient so far.  Good defense.  Gambles a bit and made a bad play on rose where he got toasted but still.

His scoring starts to come and Smart is going to be real good I feel.  I'm not trading that.  I haven't seen anything from him to make me believe otherwise either.

[Sketch5]

I think Smart definitely is a pg.  I don't think he will play pg every play but that's what makes him even more enticing is he can move around.  Dennis Johnson used to move around and switch with Ainge and Ainge knows this.  He wants guys who can do different things. But smart right now depending on the game has played some games where it's 30 percent pg and other games he's been playing the majority of his time there.   They are developing him.  He's a pg though.

One of Smart's best assets is his leadership and toughness do you really believe the Celtics aren't going to play him at pg?!

This is why if the C's miss out on Okafor, I'd like to see them go after Mudiay. That would give us two combo guards, one with actual size to guard the bigger guards of the other team, both run toe offense.

[greg683x]

Elfrid scored 22 points tonight for a season high tonight.  Thats one less than Marcus scored in his 23 points in less minutes against Washington.

Discuss.

[celtics2030]

Elfrid scored 22 points tonight for a season high tonight.  Thats one less than Marcus scored in his 23 points in less minutes against Washington.

Discuss.

12 assists.

But your the more points is better guy. You wuold fit right in with the 6th graders who talk about how Kobe score more than Lebron.

[greg683x]

you would just fit in with 6 graders.  i can take cheap shots too bud.

zing.

[Sketch5]

Smart is shooting threes because the coaching staff has him on the 3pt diet, like they did with Sully last season. It makes sense to work on your weaknesses in a season that doesn't matter. And nothing beats in game reps.

A lot of guys can do what Payton does in the league, question can he take it to the next step? Can Smart? Who knows. But I'd wouldn't trade a developing Smart for a 3 month sample of a developing Payton on a bad team with poor basketball development.

I dont buy that 3 point diet thing. I think that is nonsense. If he cant drive to the hole , then its his problem.

I have no problem with you keeping Smart. This thread is not about that, its about discussing whos skillset is better and who is naturally going to be better because of it.

You can keep Smart. I hope he turns out better.

But Im afraid that Payton is the better player.

And my doubts about Smart are true.

 "If I had a chance to trade Smart For Elfrid Peyton I would do it in a heartbeat" So this thread is about either keeping Smart or trading for Payton. If you wanted to talk who may be better because of their skill sets, then you should have worded it differently.

The three point diet is not nonsense. Part of Stevens offense is 4aving guys 1 through 4 hit the 3 point shot. It's why they are high on Young.  Smart had been getting to the paint before the ankle injury, but was passing instead of shooting. You can tell he's still not moving like he was before, and they even talked about it tonight. He's lost his explosiveness.

A lot of guys jump out of the gate, and a lot of guys are slow out of it. It's hard to say who will be better. I don't think you can really compare fully until next season after a full year and the summer to work. Thats were you start seeing legit pros to guys who will just hang around for a couple years. Look at KO, every one wanted him out before the All Star game, and yeah he still needs work, but he's 10 times the player he was a year ago.

[jpotter33]

Elfrid scored 22 points tonight for a season high tonight.  Thats one less than Marcus scored in his 23 points in less minutes against Washington.

Discuss.

12 assists.

But your the more points is better guy. You wuold fit right in with the 6th graders who talk about how Kobe score more than Lebron.

Dude, how can you talk all of this crap about us using stats, and then you use one yourself to try and prove a point?

Also, you're the one who consistently waits until Payton has a good night, and then you compare it to Smart's night as it's the "end all be all" comparison.

Why don't you compare Smart's best night to Payton's best night? Well, that's because stats don't mean anything to you..... the "eye test" and "skill" means much more..... except that stats are basically skills quantified..... meaning your argument is still found wanting.

[greg683x]

Kelly Olynyk had a 13 rebound game once I think.  Perhaps we should consider that the norm for him as well

[celtics2030]

Forget it you guys are impossible to talk basketball.

Continue on with your heart and hustle talk

and your "Go Crowder" chants lol

its just to hard to get through to simple minds.

[celticslove]

Kelly Olynyk had a 13 rebound game once I think.  Perhaps we should consider that the norm for him as well

dang it few more rebounds more and we could straight up swap him with drummond

[green147]

LOL I remember the days when people overreacted to the rookie years of Tyreke Evans and Brandon Jennings, saying they were future MVPs. Rookie year doesn't mean anything. It's all about year to year improvement.