If I had a chance to trade Smart For Elfrid Peyton I would do it in a heartbeat

[celtics2030]

Your post is ridiculous.

Yes I rather listen to scouts

not some guy like you who says Marcus Smart has  "SOUL" lol

and also saying that Ray , Pierce, Garnett, learned that later in their careers...3 HOF players your talking about

your delusional. You have to be.

I have to wonder what scouts you're talking about that rank Payton above Smart, I can't think of a single Mock Draft or player ranking that had Payton taken before Smart

Also: What's with all the insults? People disagreeing with you is no reason to imply that they're in drugs or call them delusional

Nobody said ranking......Smart was ranked higher than Payton

im talking about what they saw in both players, not ranking

What they can do , what they cannot, what abilities they have physically.

[hwangjini_1]

Your post is ridiculous.

Yes I rather listen to scouts

not some guy like you who says Marcus Smart has  "SOUL" lol

and also saying that Ray , Pierce, Garnett, learned that later in their careers...3 HOF players your talking about

your delusional. You have to be.

I have to wonder what scouts you're talking about that rank Payton above Smart, I can't think of a single Mock Draft or player ranking that had Payton taken before Smart

Also: What's with all the insults? People disagreeing with you is no reason to imply that they're in drugs or call them delusional

i have seen no indication that he is willing to learn, rethink, or simply exchange opinions in a respectful or positive way. he lives in a right/wrong world and not sharing his opinion means he feels entitled to insult, demean, and degrade you.

he attacks people by using terms such as drug user, liar, delusional. no where do i see a human being willing to see differences in a positive way. i refuse to engage with him since there is no point. may i suggest you consider doing the same.

[jpotter33]

Your post is ridiculous.

Yes I rather listen to scouts

not some guy like you who says Marcus Smart has  "SOUL" lol

and also saying that Ray , Pierce, Garnett, learned that later in their careers...3 HOF players your talking about

your delusional. You have to be.

I have to wonder what scouts you're talking about that rank Payton above Smart, I can't think of a single Mock Draft or player ranking that had Payton taken before Smart

Also: What's with all the insults? People disagreeing with you is no reason to imply that they're in drugs or call them delusional

i have seen no indication that he is willing to learn, rethink, or simply exchange opinions in a respectful or positive way. he lives in a right/wrong world and not sharing his opinion means he feels entitled to insult, demean, and degrade you.

he attacks people by using terms such as drug user, liar, delusional. no where do i see a human being willing to see differences in a positive way. i refuse to engage with him since there is no point. may i suggest you consider doing the same.

TP

[BitterJim]

Your post is ridiculous.

Yes I rather listen to scouts

not some guy like you who says Marcus Smart has  "SOUL" lol

and also saying that Ray , Pierce, Garnett, learned that later in their careers...3 HOF players your talking about

your delusional. You have to be.

I have to wonder what scouts you're talking about that rank Payton above Smart, I can't think of a single Mock Draft or player ranking that had Payton taken before Smart

Also: What's with all the insults? People disagreeing with you is no reason to imply that they're in drugs or call them delusional

Nobody said ranking......Smart was ranked higher than Payton

im talking about what they saw in both players, not ranking

What they can do , what they cannot, what abilities they have physically.

So are you saying that you prefer his playstyle? That's one thing, but pretty much everything you've posted is about how Payton is unquestionably better, and that scouts agree

You say that scouts agree with you that Payton is will be better, but if they have had Smart ranked higher I have to wonder where you're getting your info from

[celtics2030]

Your post is ridiculous.

Yes I rather listen to scouts

not some guy like you who says Marcus Smart has  "SOUL" lol

and also saying that Ray , Pierce, Garnett, learned that later in their careers...3 HOF players your talking about

your delusional. You have to be.

First off, Im not sure if you can interpret words successfully. So you should re read my post. Im just saying that what scouts say about a guy in his current state is not all he will ever become. I don't think i need to quantify that. I'm almost sure that, if you follow sports, you are familiar with plenty of examples.

Secondly, how many championships/playoff series did any of those guys win before coming here? I can count on one hand, the same hand would have zero rings on it.

Your saying something so simple, their is no reason to even talk about it. Of course players can change or players can do different things.

If you read my point, its about what type of players they are, the scouts do a good job because they follow these guys more than we do.

So you read the reports, watch some highlights, you put aside that they can score points because it means nothing until they can do it in the nba

but what you do watch is their physical abilities as well as mental IQ ,

driving to the basket, knowing when to pass, penetration , decision making,mobility , handling the ball, finishing at the rim

That is how you can start making essesmenets, and Elfrid has been really impressive, and if you watch the 4th quarter of tonight's game you can see an example..

I never said he will be better, or that Smart won't change his game, but I am saying purely as who I would chose and why,,, and that is Elfrid.

If Smart can change into a pure point with great decision making than I might give a shot to smart to play starting point

but their is noooooo wayyyyyy, I would start Smart over Elfrid at the point guard position.

[oldtype]

Is there a rule about each of our players needing at least one poster to hold a vendetta against him?

Did celtics2030 have to audition for the role of resident Smart-basher?

[BitterJim]

Your post is ridiculous.

Yes I rather listen to scouts

not some guy like you who says Marcus Smart has  "SOUL" lol

and also saying that Ray , Pierce, Garnett, learned that later in their careers...3 HOF players your talking about

your delusional. You have to be.

I have to wonder what scouts you're talking about that rank Payton above Smart, I can't think of a single Mock Draft or player ranking that had Payton taken before Smart

Also: What's with all the insults? People disagreeing with you is no reason to imply that they're in drugs or call them delusional

i have seen no indication that he is willing to learn, rethink, or simply exchange opinions in a respectful or positive way. he lives in a right/wrong world and not sharing his opinion means he feels entitled to insult, demean, and degrade you.

he attacks people by using terms such as drug user, liar, delusional. no where do i see a human being willing to see differences in a positive way. i refuse to engage with him since there is no point. may i suggest you consider doing the same.

Yeah, I'm really starting to see that, he doesn't really seem to get what a forum is for

[celtics2030]

Your post is ridiculous.

Yes I rather listen to scouts

not some guy like you who says Marcus Smart has  "SOUL" lol

and also saying that Ray , Pierce, Garnett, learned that later in their careers...3 HOF players your talking about

your delusional. You have to be.

I have to wonder what scouts you're talking about that rank Payton above Smart, I can't think of a single Mock Draft or player ranking that had Payton taken before Smart

Also: What's with all the insults? People disagreeing with you is no reason to imply that they're in drugs or call them delusional

i have seen no indication that he is willing to learn, rethink, or simply exchange opinions in a respectful or positive way. he lives in a right/wrong world and not sharing his opinion means he feels entitled to insult, demean, and degrade you.

he attacks people by using terms such as drug user, liar, delusional. no where do i see a human being willing to see differences in a positive way. i refuse to engage with him since there is no point. may i suggest you consider doing the same.

Do it's simple. No right or wrong.....

But do not tell me Im wrong, I never told anyone is wrong, i pointed out something i thought was false......and then i say what I see in Smart.


I did not tell anyone Smart will be worse or that Smart cannot get better

im telling you that Elfrid looks much more of a better point guard player than Smart is right now.

[SHAQATTACK]

I wouldn't 't trade Alfred E Newman ...Elfrid Peyton

[greenrunsdeep41]

Your post is ridiculous.

Yes I rather listen to scouts

not some guy like you who says Marcus Smart has  "SOUL" lol

and also saying that Ray , Pierce, Garnett, learned that later in their careers...3 HOF players your talking about

your delusional. You have to be.

First off, Im not sure if you can interpret words successfully. So you should re read my post. Im just saying that what scouts say about a guy in his current state is not all he will ever become. I don't think i need to quantify that. I'm almost sure that, if you follow sports, you are familiar with plenty of examples.

Secondly, how many championships/playoff series did any of those guys win before coming here? I can count on one hand, the same hand would have zero rings on it.

Your saying something so simple, their is no reason to even talk about it. Of course players can change or players can do different things.

If you read my point, its about what type of players they are, the scouts do a good job because they follow these guys more than we do.

So you read the reports, watch some highlights, you put aside that they can score points because it means nothing until they can do it in the nba

but what you do watch is their physical abilities as well as mental IQ ,

driving to the basket, knowing when to pass, penetration , decision making,mobility , handling the ball, finishing at the rim

That is how you can start making essesmenets, and Elfrid has been really impressive, and if you watch the 4th quarter of tonight's game you can see an example..

I never said he will be better, or that Smart won't change his game, but I am saying purely as who I would chose and why,,, and that is Elfrid.

If Smart can change into a pure point with great decision making than I might give a shot to smart to play starting point

but their is noooooo wayyyyyy, I would start Smart over Elfrid at the point guard position.

I wasn't rebutting anything you said. I was reacting to something a bitter man said.

And i respect that you would choose Payton. I wouldn't. Either way, neither of them is winning a championship this year. And if you look at past champions, i see something that they all posses that Marcus Smart also possess. I don't see it in Payton. But in all honesty i haven't seen as much of him so like i said above i could certainly be wrong.

But I'm not 

[celtics2030]

Marcus Smart shot 7 shots today

6 of those shots were three pointers

he took 2 two point shots

One was on a steal where he thought he had a layup and it got blasted by Kent Bazemore.

The other he got scared of Antic and lost the ball

But hey he did have some great steals, and one very good rebound when the Celtics were down by 18

People have to be getting tired of his 3 point shooting

His shooting has gotten better , but all he is doing is shooting three pointers

is he going to turn into Nate Robinson? He will not last long if that's all he can try to do.

[celticslove]

somewhat this thread reminds me of triboy's journey with the kevin love to boston saga

[greenrunsdeep41]

Marcus Smart shot 7 shots today

6 of those shots were three pointers

he took 2 two point shots

One was on a steal where he thought he had a layup and it got blasted by Kent Bazemore.

The other he got scared of Antic and lost the ball

But hey he did have some great steals, and one very good rebound when the Celtics were down by 18

People have to be getting tired of his 3 point shooting

His shooting has gotten better , but all he is doing is shooting three pointers

is he going to turn into Nate Robinson? He will not last long if that's all he can try to do.

Yea you're right Elfrid Payton has a flawless game every night on a championship caliber team.

[celtics2030]

Your post is ridiculous.

Yes I rather listen to scouts

not some guy like you who says Marcus Smart has  "SOUL" lol

and also saying that Ray , Pierce, Garnett, learned that later in their careers...3 HOF players your talking about

your delusional. You have to be.

First off, Im not sure if you can interpret words successfully. So you should re read my post. Im just saying that what scouts say about a guy in his current state is not all he will ever become. I don't think i need to quantify that. I'm almost sure that, if you follow sports, you are familiar with plenty of examples.

Secondly, how many championships/playoff series did any of those guys win before coming here? I can count on one hand, the same hand would have zero rings on it.

Your saying something so simple, their is no reason to even talk about it. Of course players can change or players can do different things.

If you read my point, its about what type of players they are, the scouts do a good job because they follow these guys more than we do.

So you read the reports, watch some highlights, you put aside that they can score points because it means nothing until they can do it in the nba

but what you do watch is their physical abilities as well as mental IQ ,

driving to the basket, knowing when to pass, penetration , decision making,mobility , handling the ball, finishing at the rim

That is how you can start making essesmenets, and Elfrid has been really impressive, and if you watch the 4th quarter of tonight's game you can see an example..

I never said he will be better, or that Smart won't change his game, but I am saying purely as who I would chose and why,,, and that is Elfrid.

If Smart can change into a pure point with great decision making than I might give a shot to smart to play starting point

but their is noooooo wayyyyyy, I would start Smart over Elfrid at the point guard position.

I wasn't rebutting anything you said. I was reacting to something a bitter man said.

And i respect that you would choose Payton. I wouldn't. Either way, neither of them is winning a championship this year. And if you look at past champions, i see something that they all posses that Marcus Smart also possess. I don't see it in Payton. But in all honesty i haven't seen as much of him so like i said above i could certainly be wrong.

But I'm not 

I am fine with that.

Although you gotta give me something more than just "soul"

Elfrid displays the ability to get to the basket, get around bigger players.....he makes fantastic passes, he has a great point guard mind already...

Marcus Smart just seems to me like a guy trying to play point guard, but cannot seem to stop himself from shooting ridiculous three pointers.

It will start getting old , trust me.

[celtics2030]

somewhat this thread reminds me of triboy's journey with the kevin love to boston saga

Love is trash.