Would you trade Jeff Green for Omer Asik?

[TwinTower14]

Yeah, and Asik is a career backup who had one good year --

Calling Asik a career backup who had one good year is like calling James Harden a career backup who had one good year.

And I suppose calling Jeff Green an "average player" is entirely factual.

Please explain to me how he is not an average player? 14 / 4 is not average? below average maybe?  a 6'9 guy that plays as many minutes as him and gets 4 rebounds a night?  how is that not average?

What would your own logic make of Asik's 5 pts, 7 rebounds, and less than a block?

I have not seen Asik play enough to establish an educated opinion on him.  My point is Green is average, I have watched him play for a long time now and he is average.  He is your run of the mill SF in the NBA.  A dime a dozen. There are several SG/ SF's that can put up those numbers, if they got the minutes he gets.  I had high hopes for him when they traded for him but I was wrong.  KG and Doc Rivers ( two of the most respected leaders in the NBA ) couldn't get anything out of him, nobody will.  He will play another 5-7 season and have an average NBA career path...if you think otherwise you will be disappointed...

[LooseCannon]

He will play another 5-7 season and have an average NBA career path...if you think otherwise you will be disappointed...

That would be an above-average NBA career path.

[TwinTower14]

I think you get my point, nothing special with him.  You can find a guy like him any time you want...

[BleedGreen1989]

Yeah, and Asik is a career backup who had one good year --

Calling Asik a career backup who had one good year is like calling James Harden a career backup who had one good year.

And I suppose calling Jeff Green an "average player" is entirely factual.

Please explain to me how he is not an average player? 14 / 4 is not average? below average maybe?  a 6'9 guy that plays as many minutes as him and gets 4 rebounds a night?  how is that not average?

What would your own logic make of Asik's 5 pts, 7 rebounds, and less than a block?

While I am on the fence about this debate, it's still not quite fair to compare Asik's numbers this year to Green's.

Asik is obviously out of place and not playing in the same role as last year while Green is receiving plenty of minutes and opportunity.

[wiley]

Most of you guys are being to hard on J.G. because he's had a couple bad games and he's not Paul Pierce.  He's not a superstar despite occasionally looking like he should be.  Get over it.  He's not going to be a superstar, so stop expecting it. 

And so you're tossing him out as average, forgetting that there's a huge range between average and superstar.

Jeff Green HAS had multiple stretches of consistently high level basketball.  And most of them seem to occur when the games count most, including some very clutch offense and
way better than average defense on some of the league's best Small Forwards. 

Asik may actually help us win more games right now, confusing our split minds even further on whether to win or lose, but the next time the games really matter, Jeff Green's production will blow Asik's out of the water...

That said, we'll need a better center than what we've got now.

[jr_3421]

Asik may actually help us win more games right now, confusing our split minds even further on whether to win or lose, but the next time the games really matter, Jeff Green's production will blow Asik's out of the water...

I actually feel the opposite. I think Asik, similar to Avery, shows his true value when he has good players around him. A trade for Green would probably decrease our win totals this year because we would struggle to score. But when we have better players that fit together, Asik's contributions will be very valuable.

[aporel#18]

Ok, you are bashing Green who makes 9M/year, and want to pay 15M next year to Omer Asik? good luck with that

Asik is an average player, kozlodoev is right. And he looked like garbage in the last Eurobasket. He's a good defender, but not great, and his offense is terrible.

Jeff Green, as bad as he's looking, is the better player. It makes no sense to trade him for anything less than a star player.

[TwinTower14]

Ok, you are bashing Green who makes 9M/year, and want to pay 15M next year to Omer Asik? good luck with that

Asik is an average player, kozlodoev is right. And he looked like garbage in the last Eurobasket. He's a good defender, but not great, and his offense is terrible.

Jeff Green, as bad as he's looking, is the better player. It makes no sense to trade him for anything less than a star player.

Tons of GM's would love to give up a star for an average SF in this league...

[wiley]

Asik may actually help us win more games right now, confusing our split minds even further on whether to win or lose, but the next time the games really matter, Jeff Green's production will blow Asik's out of the water...

I actually feel the opposite. I think Asik, similar to Avery, shows his true value when he has good players around him. A trade for Green would probably decrease our win totals this year because we would struggle to score. But when we have better players that fit together, Asik's contributions will be very valuable.

I was thinking that Gerald Wallace is an excellent, starter-quality backup, while at center we have no one as good as Asik right now, no real defender in the paint.  That was my thinking in terms of wins and losses.  Unless you want Asik as your starting center for the next 5 or 6 years, it makes no sense to grab him now and worsen our lottery position.  (just a hypothesis...you could be right...hard to speculate)

Regardless, in the long run I think Jeff Green is the better piece on a championship caliber team.  He's a team player, good defender and clutch, with flashes of awesomeness.  Who cares if he's in the background some games or for stretches.  There can only be so many alpha dogs on one team, and I'm hoping we add one or two others via the draft or trade, etc...

If Jeff Green were traded this year I'd rather it be for a younger player, or draft pick with potential that Danny's high on... 

If Green and Rondo don't have chemistry, that's another issue..hopefully they're fine as teammates..

[aporel#18]

Ok, you are bashing Green who makes 9M/year, and want to pay 15M next year to Omer Asik? good luck with that

Asik is an average player, kozlodoev is right. And he looked like garbage in the last Eurobasket. He's a good defender, but not great, and his offense is terrible.

Jeff Green, as bad as he's looking, is the better player. It makes no sense to trade him for anything less than a star player.

Tons of GM's would love to give up a star for an average SF in this league...

Why are you assuming it would be Jeff Green straight up for a star player? Of course it will require something else, but you get the idea, don't you? It's not that hard.

Trade packages need to make sense for both teams, and it wouldn't make sense for the Celtics to give up Jeff without getting a better player in return. Even if you think Jeff is "an average SF in this League", why would you want another average player instead of him?

But nevermind, if you read CelticsBlog you can find trade ideas where Rondo is traded for garbage, from Celtics fans, so anything goes...

[BballTim]

Ok, you are bashing Green who makes 9M/year, and want to pay 15M next year to Omer Asik? good luck with that

Asik is an average player, kozlodoev is right. And he looked like garbage in the last Eurobasket. He's a good defender, but not great, and his offense is terrible.

Jeff Green, as bad as he's looking, is the better player. It makes no sense to trade him for anything less than a star player.

Tons of GM's would love to give up a star for an average SF in this league...

Why are you assuming it would be Jeff Green straight up for a star player? Of course it will require something else, but you get the idea, don't you? It's not that hard.

Trade packages need to make sense for both teams, and it wouldn't make sense for the Celtics to give up Jeff without getting a better player in return. Even if you think Jeff is "an average SF in this League", why would you want another average player instead of him?

But nevermind, if you read CelticsBlog you can find trade ideas where Rondo is traded for garbage, from Celtics fans, so anything goes...

  Not to mention a large number of posters armed with the knowledge of how all of the GMs in the league feel about all of the players.

[BleedGreen1989]

With the Asik deadline looming and Celtics now being somewhat linked by Marc Stein ( http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/779/omer-asik-talks-progressing) I'm wondering if anybody's opinion has changed nearly a month later? If it has changed, why?

[PhoSita]

I'd be more than willing to trade Green in the right deal, but I don't see the point of trading for Asik.

Asik is a pretty clear "win now" piece, but if you're trading your only high volume wing scorer in order to get him, that kind of defeats the purpose of trying to "win now," doesn't it? 

The offense gets worse while the defense improves.  Asik would take the team defense to another level, but since Green would be replaced by Gerald Wallace, I think the team offense could take a major dive.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think my answer is still "no way".

[PhoSita]

Here's one I would consider:


Philly gets: Brandon Bass + Omri Casspi + 2 1sts (2015 Clips pick + 2014 Houston pick)

Boston gets: Evan Turner + Omer Asik

Houston gets: Jeff Green + Marshon Brooks