Would you trade Jeff Green for Omer Asik?

[Birdman]

nooo

[jr_3421]

Asik is to old(29) i feel like we can get expiring contract(s) and or a young so so player that has potential, or a draft pick.

First of all Asik I believe is 27 and only 2 months older than Green. Green relies on his athleticism much more so it would be logical to assume that Green's play would decline faster than Asik's.

Also SF is the easiest position to fill in the NBA. SF is a another way to say under skilled SG or undersized PF. C on the other hand is the hardest position to fill.

On top of that, Asik I think complements Sullinger perfectly defensively and won't prohibit anything he does offensively (although I don't think he will enhance it). This trade would be a no brainer.

[crimson_stallion]

Asik is to old(29) i feel like we can get expiring contract(s) and or a young so so player that has potential, or a draft pick.

First of all Asik I believe is 27 and only 2 months older than Green. Green relies on his athleticism much more so it would be logical to assume that Green's play would decline faster than Asik's.

Also SF is the easiest position to fill in the NBA. SF is a another way to say under skilled SG or undersized PF. C on the other hand is the hardest position to fill.

On top of that, Asik I think complements Sullinger perfectly defensively and won't prohibit anything he does offensively (although I don't think he will enhance it). This trade would be a no brainer.

These it's more talent at Sf than at most other positions - all the more reason why you HAVE to have a solid SF because otherwise you are behind.

C is a position lacking talent, so of you don't have a great center it didn't really matter much (see - Miami).

[jr_3421]

Asik is to old(29) i feel like we can get expiring contract(s) and or a young so so player that has potential, or a draft pick.

First of all Asik I believe is 27 and only 2 months older than Green. Green relies on his athleticism much more so it would be logical to assume that Green's play would decline faster than Asik's.

Also SF is the easiest position to fill in the NBA. SF is a another way to say under skilled SG or undersized PF. C on the other hand is the hardest position to fill.

On top of that, Asik I think complements Sullinger perfectly defensively and won't prohibit anything he does offensively (although I don't think he will enhance it). This trade would be a no brainer.

These it's more talent at Sf than at most other positions - all the more reason why you HAVE to have a solid SF because otherwise you are behind.

C is a position lacking talent, so of you don't have a great center it didn't really matter much (see - Miami).

I somewhat agree with you, I just draw different conclusions. You say SF has the most talent, I say that SF is the easiest position to fill. My conclusion from either of these: wouldn't it be easier to find another SF than any other position?

And a good defensive center doesn't just guard other centers. They offer rim protection to deter wing players from attacking the rim and force them to settle for more jumpers.

[SHAQATTACK]

I changed my mind

I really ....not crazy about Green for Asik .......I'm on the fence .....maybe leaning towards ...no

But , I,would be all in on Bass and Lee   Or something like that.   lee is playing well too.   

[saltlover]

Asik is to old(29) i feel like we can get expiring contract(s) and or a young so so player that has potential, or a draft pick.

First of all Asik I believe is 27 and only 2 months older than Green. Green relies on his athleticism much more so it would be logical to assume that Green's play would decline faster than Asik's.

Also SF is the easiest position to fill in the NBA. SF is a another way to say under skilled SG or undersized PF. C on the other hand is the hardest position to fill.

On top of that, Asik I think complements Sullinger perfectly defensively and won't prohibit anything he does offensively (although I don't think he will enhance it). This trade would be a no brainer.

These it's more talent at Sf than at most other positions - all the more reason why you HAVE to have a solid SF because otherwise you are behind.

C is a position lacking talent, so of you don't have a great center it didn't really matter much (see - Miami).

Umm, no.  If you have LeBron, you don't need a center, because LeBron is in a class of player by himself.  Miami is great because they have LeBron, end of story.

That center is a lacking position is why even someone of Asik's quality (and he is quality, offensive limitations and all) gives your team a relative advantage, because it means your opponent needs to have an advantage somewhere else to make up for it (see, again: LeBron).  Green is a good player.  But against almost all teams he doesn't give you an advantage, although he doesn't put you at a disadvantage either.  Which is fine, but the reason he doesn't give you either an advantage or disadvantage is because his position is so deep, and most teams have a player near Jeff Green's level at his position.  Some teams even have backups at Green's position that are near his level.  In fact, you could argue that Boston is one of those teams with Wallace.

3/4 hybrids, and straight-up 3's, are plentiful in the NBA right now.  If Jeff Green were traded for Omer Asik, Danny would have a new small forward by the beginning of the season that would make you forget Jeff Green.  In the meantime, you'd have a little more Gerald Wallace, and maybe some weird lineups with Bass or Brooks at that position.  And you'd have a real center to alter shots and grab rebounds and anchor your defense, and it would be a pretty decent team, because we've seen this current team get crushed by teams with real post presences.  And I bet we'll see more of the same tonight.

[crimson_stallion]

On top of that, Asik I think complements Sullinger perfectly defensively and won't prohibit anything he does offensively (although I don't think he will enhance it). This trade would be a no brainer.

How do you figure this?

Sully and Asik are both slow, unathletic bigs.  Both are good post defenders but average perimeter defenders.  Both are very good rebounder, but on offense both are more cleanup guys rather than guys who can create their own shot.  Asik would be a terribly compliment to Silly - he does nothing to cover up for Sully's flaws...and that would be one of the worst offensive front lines in the NBA.

The best compliment for Sully is an athletic big who can create his own shot, is quick enough to cover when sully gets beat by his man, and who can block shots.  Think Amare inhis prime.  KG a few years ago also would have been a perfect compliment.

[jr_3421]

On top of that, Asik I think complements Sullinger perfectly defensively and won't prohibit anything he does offensively (although I don't think he will enhance it). This trade would be a no brainer.

How do you figure this?

Sully and Asik are both slow, unathletic bigs.  Both are good post defenders but average perimeter defenders.  Both are very good rebounder, but on offense both are more cleanup guys rather than guys who can create their own shot.  Asik would be a terribly compliment to Silly - he does nothing to cover up for Sully's flaws...and that would be one of the worst offensive front lines in the NBA.

The best compliment for Sully is an athletic big who can create his own shot, is quick enough to cover when sully gets beat by his man, and who can block shots.  Think Amare inhis prime.  KG a few years ago also would have been a perfect compliment.

Well first I think Sullinger is more than a clean up player. I see a 2nd year, out of shape player who can score in the post and hit the outside jumper. I think he will develop into a solid low post option.

Asik I think is one the best defensive bigs in the NBA. He's long, a great rim protector  and more athletic than you give him credit for. Sully is a good position defender but does nothing to deter wings from attacking the rim. Asik would solve that issue.

[crimson_stallion]

Asik is to old(29) i feel like we can get expiring contract(s) and or a young so so player that has potential, or a draft pick.

First of all Asik I believe is 27 and only 2 months older than Green. Green relies on his athleticism much more so it would be logical to assume that Green's play would decline faster than Asik's.

Also SF is the easiest position to fill in the NBA. SF is a another way to say under skilled SG or undersized PF. C on the other hand is the hardest position to fill.

On top of that, Asik I think complements Sullinger perfectly defensively and won't prohibit anything he does offensively (although I don't think he will enhance it). This trade would be a no brainer.

These it's more talent at Sf than at most other positions - all the more reason why you HAVE to have a solid SF because otherwise you are behind.

C is a position lacking talent, so of you don't have a great center it didn't really matter much (see - Miami).

Umm, no.  If you have LeBron, you don't need a center, because LeBron is in a class of player by himself.  Miami is great because they have LeBron, end of story.

That center is a lacking position is why even someone of Asik's quality (and he is quality, offensive limitations and all) gives your team a relative advantage, because it means your opponent needs to have an advantage somewhere else to make up for it (see, again: LeBron).  Green is a good player.  But against almost all teams he doesn't give you an advantage, although he doesn't put you at a disadvantage either.  Which is fine, but the reason he doesn't give you either an advantage or disadvantage is because his position is so deep, and most teams have a player near Jeff Green's level at his position.  Some teams even have backups at Green's position that are near his level.  In fact, you could argue that Boston is one of those teams with Wallace.

3/4 hybrids, and straight-up 3's, are plentiful in the NBA right now.  If Jeff Green were traded for Omer Asik, Danny would have a new small forward by the beginning of the season that would make you forget Jeff Green.  In the meantime, you'd have a little more Gerald Wallace, and maybe some weird lineups with Bass or Brooks at that position.  And you'd have a real center to alter shots and grab rebounds and anchor your defense, and it would be a pretty decent team, because we've seen this current team get crushed by teams with real post presences.  And I bet we'll see more of the same tonight.

You drastically undervalued both Jeff Green and the SF position.  Small Forwards have a unique blend of length, height, strength and quickness that is required to defend the likes of LeBron James, Kevin Durant, etc.  Jeff Green in particular has done a VERY good job of that while he's been here.  In addition he is a capable scorer, so he puts offensive pressure on those guys and forces them to play defense too.  The elite SF's have struggled against Green.

Having an ELITE big man in this league is a huge advantage.  Having an overpaid, unathletic, offensively incapable big man is not.  That's why the Rockets have practically dumped Asik to get Howard...they know Asik is sure as he'll.not getting them a title.

Asik is a role player.  He's a 6th man talent at best.  He's Kendrick Perkins crossed with Jason Collins.  Nice piece for a team, but not worth giving up anything of value for.

[kozlodoev]

Asik would be a terribly compliment to Silly - he does nothing to cover up for Sully's flaws...and that would be one of the worst offensive front lines in the NBA.

But perfectly complementary at that: Asik can brick inside shots while Sullinger bricks threes.

[LB3533]

We don't need another big. We are set there for now. We need to grow our bigs.

We are a top 10 defense and if we could calm the heck down on offense and cut down on the turnovers we'd be closer to a top 5 defensive team while also improving our offense.

We lack a true point guard playmaker and we are not running our offense through our best player.

[LooseCannon]

A case can be made that Asik is one of the top five rebounders in the NBA and that he is one of the top five defensive centers.  His value is probably something less than a healthy, in-his-prime Tyson Chandler and something more than a healthy, in-his-prime Kendrick Perkins.

[Celtics4ever]

I would trade him for Asik but it would crush my son, Jeff is his favorite player.

[coco]

Asik for JGreen?

Who plays the 3 when Jeff is gone?

Which big gives up his minutes? Fav? Kelly? Sully? You know Bass will get his minutes....

[aporel#18]

The question is: how many draft picks are we getting from the Rockets? I'd consider that terrible trade if we're getting Rockets 2014 first round pick plus Sixers 2014 second round pick and Knicks 2015 second round pick.
 
Just for the right to pay Asik 15M in 2014-2015, you need to get paid. Then, you have to consider the talent you're sending and how good Green would look on a Harden-dominant offense.

Less than that, I'd say you can get something better for Green at the trade deadline.