Would you trade Jeff Green for Omer Asik?

[saltlover]

In a heartbeat.  Small forwards who do what Jeff Green do for apporximately Jeff Green's price are more abundant than centers who do what Omer Asik does at Omer Asik's price.  That's not intended to be a slight against Green, either.  7-footers who actually know how to play basketball are just more rare.

[wdleehi]

Yes. 



A rotation of Asik, Sullinger and Olynyk is a good start for big men. 



And more to the point, if the Celtics later on get another big man with more talent, they can still trade away a big man easier the a SF if they are close in talent. 

[pearljammer10]

I would not. I dont think the Rockets are going to get what they are looking for for Asik and I think Green is a better overall player than Asik is. Asik is a great defender but he is not an elite center, he has zero offense, and zero ability to make free throws. Plus he gets a huge pay at the end of his contract. If it was Asik and maybe another young piece I would have second thoughts.

[saltlover]

Plus he gets a huge pay at the end of his contract. If it was Asik and maybe another young piece I would have second thoughts.

This last point I think is overrated in the case of Green.  Assuming Green declines his player option in year 4 (which he does if he plays well and you want to keep him, and he doesn't if he plays poorly and you don't want to keep him), Green is owed $18 million in salary over the next two years while Asik is owed $20 million.  This isn't a huge difference, and Asik's cap value is actually smaller, which has value in and of its own.  Assuming a deal was made sooner than later, I would not see salary concerns being a major factor.

[pearljammer10]

Plus he gets a huge pay at the end of his contract. If it was Asik and maybe another young piece I would have second thoughts.

This last point I think is overrated in the case of Green.  Assuming Green declines his player option in year 4 (which he does if he plays well and you want to keep him, and he doesn't if he plays poorly and you don't want to keep him), Green is owed $18 million in salary over the next two years while Asik is owed $20 million.  This isn't a huge difference, and Asik's cap value is actually smaller, which has value in and of its own.  Assuming a deal was made sooner than later, I would not see salary concerns being a major factor.

Which is fair. We are already deprived on offense however. I just think taking Green away for a guy like Asik makes our team very guardable. Green, even though he hasnt done very well with it, is our "goto" scorer. If we trade him who gets the shots? Crawford?

[Fred Roberts]

Nope. Not in a heartbeat. Who replaces Jeff Green? He loves going against LeBron and gives us a chance to compete with longer, elite wings.

Asik strikes me as nothing special. Really, I don't get the appeal. Give me Vitor and some pick in next years draft for a combined 1/5 of the cost to pay Asik.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I would.

As many mentioned already, 7 footers who can anchor the defense and control the boards are hard to find. There's a reason why they are being overpaid.

Wings like Jeff Green are not as rare as these kind of Centers.

[Boris Badenov]

Nope. Not in a heartbeat. Who replaces Jeff Green?

If we want to replace his rebounding, any of Darren Collison, Anthony Tolliver, Eric Maynor or P.J. Tucker would seemingly do.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/reboundRate/page/4

[arctic 3.0]

I would con cider this move after the draft, or if we can get granger for tpe or hump n brooks (haven't checked the trade machine to see if this works)

[Eja117]

Absolutely I do that.

[saltlover]

Nope. Not in a heartbeat. Who replaces Jeff Green? He loves going against LeBron and gives us a chance to compete with longer, elite wings.

Asik strikes me as nothing special. Really, I don't get the appeal. Give me Vitor and some pick in next years draft for a combined 1/5 of the cost to pay Asik.

There are a lot more elite wings in this draft than elite big men.  It's not even close.  Also, I'd be willing to wager that a sign-and-trade with Chicago for Luol Deng where we sent the the Clippers pick is entirely doable next offseason, as it looks like they're going to part ways this summer.  Asik isn't perfect, but he can rebound, and play defense.  With all of our other bigs who can stretch the floor, but play less defense, he's a nice compliment with floor spacing on offense, and makes up for their defensive liabilities.  He's 7 feet.  You can't leave him alone, because it's 2 points if you do and Rondo finds him.

If you think you need a center to win, and you can get Asik for Green straight up, you do it.  He's our best chance at a real-live NBA center for the next few years.  Another starting-quality small forward is very obtainable.

[More Banners]

Nope. Not in a heartbeat. Who replaces Jeff Green? He loves going against LeBron and gives us a chance to compete with longer, elite wings.

Asik strikes me as nothing special. Really, I don't get the appeal. Give me Vitor and some pick in next years draft for a combined 1/5 of the cost to pay Asik.

There are a lot more elite wings in this draft than elite big men.  It's not even close.  Also, I'd be willing to wager that a sign-and-trade with Chicago for Luol Deng where we sent the the Clippers pick is entirely doable next offseason, as it looks like they're going to part ways this summer.  Asik isn't perfect, but he can rebound, and play defense.  With all of our other bigs who can stretch the floor, but play less defense, he's a nice compliment with floor spacing on offense, and makes up for their defensive liabilities.  He's 7 feet.  You can't leave him alone, because it's 2 points if you do and Rondo finds him.

If you think you need a center to win, and you can get Asik for Green straight up, you do it.  He's our best chance at a real-live NBA center for the next few years.  Another starting-quality small forward is very obtainable.

Good question.

I don't think that I do, though they probably have similar value.  He is definitely a player I would welcome.  I would give up a pick or two in a package for him (bird in hand, vs. potential in picks).

But Green is talented and versatile, and those are the keepers if possible.  We still haven't seen him fully recovered and Rondo healthy at the same time.  That could help boost his value, including his value to us.

I'd rather part with any combination of Bass/Lee/Bogans/Brooks/Wallace/pick that they like to help them win now.

Bass/Brooks/Bogans/Pick might be best going out for us. 

Veteran player, young talent, expiring vet, and future 1st seems to be what contenters and rebuilders want, right?

[aingeforthree]

  It's probably a sideways move that just creates another hole in the lineup, it depends on whether you think you can get a good sf or a good c more easily.

Do the Celtics have a better chance of drafting a small forward or a center in 2014?

Ton's of tweener's in the draft this upcoming year.  A bunch of 6'8", 6'9" guys will be available with a mid to late first round pick.

[saltlover]

Nope. Not in a heartbeat. Who replaces Jeff Green? He loves going against LeBron and gives us a chance to compete with longer, elite wings.

Asik strikes me as nothing special. Really, I don't get the appeal. Give me Vitor and some pick in next years draft for a combined 1/5 of the cost to pay Asik.

There are a lot more elite wings in this draft than elite big men.  It's not even close.  Also, I'd be willing to wager that a sign-and-trade with Chicago for Luol Deng where we sent the the Clippers pick is entirely doable next offseason, as it looks like they're going to part ways this summer.  Asik isn't perfect, but he can rebound, and play defense.  With all of our other bigs who can stretch the floor, but play less defense, he's a nice compliment with floor spacing on offense, and makes up for their defensive liabilities.  He's 7 feet.  You can't leave him alone, because it's 2 points if you do and Rondo finds him.

If you think you need a center to win, and you can get Asik for Green straight up, you do it.  He's our best chance at a real-live NBA center for the next few years.  Another starting-quality small forward is very obtainable.

Good question.

I don't think that I do, though they probably have similar value.  He is definitely a player I would welcome.  I would give up a pick or two in a package for him (bird in hand, vs. potential in picks).

But Green is talented and versatile, and those are the keepers if possible.  We still haven't seen him fully recovered and Rondo healthy at the same time.  That could help boost his value, including his value to us.

I'd rather part with any combination of Bass/Lee/Bogans/Brooks/Wallace/pick that they like to help them win now.

Bass/Brooks/Bogans/Pick might be best going out for us. 

Veteran player, young talent, expiring vet, and future 1st seems to be what contenters and rebuilders want, right?

I just don't see the Rockets interested in that sort of package.  They could use an upgrade at point guard or small forward/stretch 4 when Parsons is on the court.  I think they'd be better keeping Asik around for the 10-15 minutes per game Dwight is on the bench, and as injury insurance for his back, than trading for a package Bass, salary fodder, and a pick.  What Houston wants for Asik is Rondo.  But I think Green-Asik makes more sense for both teams than a lot of other possibilities.  I have every confidence the Celtics could replace Green for the cost of a single draft pick, whether that's by drafting his replacement or trading for it, by the start of next season.  The Celtics have been searching for someone like Asik since Perk blew out his knee, and as of today, they're no closer than they were when the injury happened 3.5 years ago.

[indeedproceed]

I'd 100% do Asik for Green, but I'd ask for Terrance Jones or Donutz back too.