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Re: Would you trade Jeff Green for Omer Asik?
« Reply #60 on: November 19, 2013, 08:35:14 PM »

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No.  Wouldn't be the worst trade ever.   But Jeff Green's a better player with more value, and right now it's about value more than positional need and such...

Re: Would you trade Jeff Green for Omer Asik?
« Reply #61 on: November 19, 2013, 10:28:19 PM »

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Asik is probably a slightly worse player, but if you assume that we have a good chance at Wiggins or Parker in the draft this trade would be worth making.

There's not really an acquirable elite-level center in the entire NBA at the moment so Asik is about as good as we can expect for filling that position.

Also, this imbalances the team further and takes away our primary scoring threat in the short term so it should be a boon for or lottery chances.

Swap Green for Asik, grab Parker or Wiggins, and we're a trade for a star PF/SG away from being pretty good. (give or take however much time Parker/Wiggins needs to develop)


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Re: Would you trade Jeff Green for Omer Asik?
« Reply #62 on: November 19, 2013, 10:37:51 PM »

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Asik didn't look particularly special in his limited minutes tonight.

I'm not happy with Green but Houston would have to sweeten the deal especially considering Asik is now a known locker room headache and will be getting some big bucks shortly.

IF this deal could be made after the season when we know our draft spot and we knew we'd get either Wiggins or Parker with the pick, I'd do it if enough assets came our way.

Re: Would you trade Jeff Green for Omer Asik?
« Reply #63 on: November 19, 2013, 10:43:00 PM »

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Asik don t want o be on this team either  ;D

Re: Would you trade Jeff Green for Omer Asik?
« Reply #64 on: November 20, 2013, 09:34:20 AM »

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No, but it's not because I think Green is better for Asik, I just don't see how getting Asik is in our best interests long term.

I actually think Asik has more value than Green. Quality size always trumps everything else when comparing two players of similar overall talent in the nba. He can be a defensive anchor and force on the boards, while chipping in any easy buckets that come his way. But where is there room for his game to go up? This is the best Asik is going to be. His offensive game isn't going to suddenly bloom and as a defender and rebounder there isn't much room for improvement.

Green on the other hand still has the slight chance to develop into a fringe star, although it's probably an outside chance at best at this point. Nevertheless, he has the ability to dominate games with his spot up shooting and is dangerous in transition, but is consistently failed by his inconsistency. I still think that having been given the reigns of this young team this year he is going to be able to try and work on that consistency since he is going to get his shots night in and night out and work on finding that "killer instinct" that he seems to be lacking.

But the real issue for me is this: Asik has 2 years left on his deal and Green has 3. The C's aren't going to be legitimately competing over the next two years, so if Asik is going to be making any sort of real contribution it's going to have to come during his next contract and he is probably going to demand more than the 8m he is making now and mroe years than I'd be willing to give a defensive center pushing 30 with only one stellar season under his belt.

Alternatively Green has 3 years at similar money left. If he continues to play at his solid, but inconsistent level he is making exactly what he is worth. If he manages to improve and become more of a fringe star than a complimentary piece he is going to be a steal at 8m. On top of that 3 years down the line this C's team could have restocked enough to be a legitimate contender in the east and Green at 8m could be a key cog in a machine run by some "real" stars.

So at the end of the day, I'd rather keep Green. He still has the opportunity to try and move to that next level of talent or at least be a major role player when we're relevant again and if not he is great trade bait.The only real reason I'd be at all interested in Asik over Green is that he could probably bring back more in a trade. If we were buying (relatively) low on Asik, only to let him pad his stats on a bad team and then to subsequently ship him out for more assets I'd be interested, but I'd rather have the guy with similar trade value who could still possibly contribute in the near future on his current contract.

Re: Would you trade Jeff Green for Omer Asik?
« Reply #65 on: November 20, 2013, 10:00:31 AM »

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At this point I would trade Green for any asset you can get.  You cannot win with him because he's too inconsisent. And on the the nights he doesn't have it, he's just a total non-entity on the court. 

Re: Would you trade Jeff Green for Omer Asik?
« Reply #66 on: November 20, 2013, 10:15:57 AM »

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I wonder when people are going to realize that Green has zero value around the league.  He is extremely inconsistent and just not a guy you want to build around.  He has been in the league for 7 seasons, he is not going to change...

Re: Would you trade Jeff Green for Omer Asik?
« Reply #67 on: November 20, 2013, 10:21:08 AM »

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To start the season when Green was being aggressive there is no way Omer for Green is a fair deal. Now that Green is showing he can't even get up shots if the defense focuses on him, then Asik is more valuable than this incarnation of Green. At this point I think Asik would improve our team and allow us to win a few more games, so why not just keep Green?
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Re: Would you trade Jeff Green for Omer Asik?
« Reply #68 on: November 20, 2013, 10:22:07 AM »

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There are people on here who seriously think Green and Asik are equivalent players??? Really???

Talk about putting on your green goggles. I would trade Green for Asik in a heartbeat.

Re: Would you trade Jeff Green for Omer Asik?
« Reply #69 on: November 20, 2013, 10:33:10 AM »

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Asik is a 10 and 10 player. Every night minimum ., if he starts and plays 35 minutes.   He would be a solid and consistent player , who wants contact and wants minutes......not avoiding playing in the paint......like most old guys.

Green is 25 pts one night and. Swat for the next 2 or 3  , with little impact in other areas.    He is a back up,role player period.

Jeff ha had the chances given to take over and lead the team on the floor .    He is smart man,  just not a killer instinct to win., like Kobe , Bird , and Magic......people who hate to lose  .

Re: Would you trade Jeff Green for Omer Asik?
« Reply #70 on: November 20, 2013, 10:38:49 AM »

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Perhaps the question is from Houston's point of view is would you trade Omer Asik for Jeff Green?

We seem to have a logjam of big bodies and a worse log jam at the two spot.

If I were Brad Stevens I would consider starting Gerald Wallace and bring Jeff Green off the bench. I think that Jeff Green needs Rondo back more than anything right now.
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Re: Would you trade Jeff Green for Omer Asik?
« Reply #71 on: November 20, 2013, 10:40:36 AM »

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There are people on here who seriously think Green and Asik are equivalent players??? Really???

Talk about putting on your green goggles. I would trade Green for Asik in a heartbeat.
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Re: Would you trade Jeff Green for Omer Asik?
« Reply #72 on: November 20, 2013, 11:12:43 AM »

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There are people on here who seriously think Green and Asik are equivalent players??? Really???

Talk about putting on your green goggles. I would trade Green for Asik in a heartbeat.
Yeah, there are people that have actually followed the NBA for more than a season. Imagine that.

People need to give up on the Jeff Green bandwagon, he is what he is.  An average NBA player that will have a break out night, here and there but for an 82 game schedule his inconsistencies will show.  KG couldn't even get this guy to play hard every night and that says a lot....

Re: Would you trade Jeff Green for Omer Asik?
« Reply #73 on: November 20, 2013, 11:13:53 AM »

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Green on his current contract has no trade value.  If he started playing more consistently it might create a window where they could pawn him off on someone for some tangible asset but right now he's worth next to nothing as a trade chip unless you're willing to take on someone else's overpaid problem in exchange.  Asik has a lot of value, but only to a team that's contending.  That's not the Celtics.

Re: Would you trade Jeff Green for Omer Asik?
« Reply #74 on: November 20, 2013, 11:16:15 AM »

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Asik is a 10 and 10 player. Every night minimum ., if he starts and plays 35 minutes.   He would be a solid and consistent player , who wants contact and wants minutes......not avoiding playing in the paint......like most old guys.

Green is 25 pts one night and. Swat for the next 2 or 3  , with little impact in other areas.    He is a back up,role player period.

Jeff ha had the chances given to take over and lead the team on the floor .    He is smart man,  just not a killer instinct to win., like Kobe , Bird , and Magic......people who hate to lose  .

There are many players who are not guys who will take over and lead a team on the floor, but who are better than a back-up. 

Green is suited to being a role-playing starter.  The thing that makes him a guy who could be better off coming off the bench is his ability to play multiple positions, even if he's not really a good power forward.

Green would make sense for the Rockets if they felt he would fit a combo forward role, perhaps coming off the bench but being on the floor at the end of games.  (He'd also make sense for the Rockets if Chandler Parsons tore his ACL.)

The Rockets were reportedly interested in either a big power forward or an elite small forward.  Green is neither, but if the Rockets get desperate, he could be the best option for trying to get someone who can contribute at both spots.
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