Would you trade Jeff Green for Omer Asik?

[kozlodoev]

There are people on here who seriously think Green and Asik are equivalent players??? Really???

Talk about putting on your green goggles. I would trade Green for Asik in a heartbeat.

Yeah, there are people that have actually followed the NBA for more than a season. Imagine that.

People need to give up on the Jeff Green bandwagon, he is what he is.  An average NBA player that will have a break out night, here and there but for an 82 game schedule his inconsistencies will show.  KG couldn't even get this guy to play hard every night and that says a lot....

Yeah, and Asik is a career backup who had one good year -- and they though of him so highly down there in Houston that they went out and got Howard.

[LooseCannon]

But the real issue for me is this: Asik has 2 years left on his deal and Green has 3. The C's aren't going to be legitimately competing over the next two years, so if Asik is going to be making any sort of real contribution it's going to have to come during his next contract and he is probably going to demand more than the 8m he is making now and mroe years than I'd be willing to give a defensive center pushing 30 with only one stellar season under his belt.

If, by the time his contract is over, Asik is a 29-year-old with three good seasons under his belt, what are you willing to give him?  Let's say he remains an above-average defender who averages a double-double while being in the top five in rebounding.

[LooseCannon]

Yeah, and Asik is a career backup who had one good year --

Calling Asik a career backup who had one good year is like calling James Harden a career backup who had one good year.

[kozlodoev]

Yeah, and Asik is a career backup who had one good year --

Calling Asik a career backup who had one good year is like calling James Harden a career backup who had one good year.

And I suppose calling Jeff Green an "average player" is entirely factual.

[D.o.s.]

But the real issue for me is this: Asik has 2 years left on his deal and Green has 3. The C's aren't going to be legitimately competing over the next two years, so if Asik is going to be making any sort of real contribution it's going to have to come during his next contract and he is probably going to demand more than the 8m he is making now and mroe years than I'd be willing to give a defensive center pushing 30 with only one stellar season under his belt.

If, by the time his contract is over, Asik is a 29-year-old with three good seasons under his belt, what are you willing to give him?  Let's say he remains an above-average defender who averages a double-double while being in the top five in rebounding.

What's our cap space going to look like in 2015--that's when his contract expires, right?

I'd probably try for a contract similar to the ones the Nuggets gave JaVale McGee or the Clippers gave DeAndre Jordan, provided that's not too prohibitive on our ability to sign someone else.

[indeedproceed]

Yeah, and Asik is a career backup who had one good year -- and they though of him so highly down there in Houston that they went out and got Howard.

Yeah he must've been a real pile if they decided to replace him with the best center in basketball.

[LooseCannon]

Yeah, and Asik is a career backup who had one good year --

Calling Asik a career backup who had one good year is like calling James Harden a career backup who had one good year.

And I suppose calling Jeff Green an "average player" is entirely factual.

It would be a perfectly defensible position to claim that Jeff Green is an average starting small forward in the NBA.  Whether I agree or not, I could see the logic in that belief.

[connor]

For those of you who see this as a ridiculous premise because Asik has more value than Green, here's the thing: YOU'RE RIGHT, BUT, and there is a big but, the only thing Asik is going to do for the C's on his current contract is possibly help us win a few more games giving us a worse shot at a decent lottery pick before either leaving in free agency or commanding a sizeable contract he probably won't live up to. Green still holds the possibility of improving his game, especially with increased minutes, and he is under contract for a 3rd season at reasonable money when this team might be relevant again.

Asik is a solid 10 and 10 guy (or at least he was last year, his only outstanding season to date), but he isn't good enough to turn this team's fortunes around in the next two years he is under contract. And before you get indignant, neither is Jeff Green. But Green has more room to grow than Asik. This is Asik's peak. His game isn't going to drastically improve, he is what he is.

Green is infuriatingly inconsistent, but when he does show flashes of what kind of a player he could be, you can see there is room for growth. I'm not saying he is ever going to develop into a star, and I realize it's odd to still talk about a 27 year old developing, but Green has the opportunity to work on that.

Now again, Asik definitely has more value than Green, but Asik offers little to the long term future of the C's, while Green could still play a part here down the line. If I could trade Green for Asik and then Asik for more pieces I'd be happy to because Asik can bring in more than Green will, but if the C's are ending up with him I'd rather keep Green.

[Who]

But the real issue for me is this: Asik has 2 years left on his deal and Green has 3. The C's aren't going to be legitimately competing over the next two years, so if Asik is going to be making any sort of real contribution it's going to have to come during his next contract and he is probably going to demand more than the 8m he is making now and mroe years than I'd be willing to give a defensive center pushing 30 with only one stellar season under his belt.

If, by the time his contract is over, Asik is a 29-year-old with three good seasons under his belt, what are you willing to give him?  Let's say he remains an above-average defender who averages a double-double while being in the top five in rebounding.

I'd say Asik is looking at $11-12 million a year after his current contract expires.

You could get unlucky though and end up paying $13-14 million a year if there was some team in that FA class who were really willing to make a hard push for him.

[TwinTower14]

Yeah, and Asik is a career backup who had one good year --

Calling Asik a career backup who had one good year is like calling James Harden a career backup who had one good year.

And I suppose calling Jeff Green an "average player" is entirely factual.

Please explain to me how he is not an average player? 14 / 4 is not average? below average maybe?  a 6'9 guy that plays as many minutes as him and gets 4 rebounds a night?  how is that not average?

[Fafnir]

Yeah, and Asik is a career backup who had one good year -- and they though of him so highly down there in Houston that they went out and got Howard.

Yeah he must've been a real pile if they decided to replace him with the best center in basketball.

Yup, which is why the C's would have zero interest in LeBron, George, or Durant.

We have Jeff Green, we're good.

[connor]

But the real issue for me is this: Asik has 2 years left on his deal and Green has 3. The C's aren't going to be legitimately competing over the next two years, so if Asik is going to be making any sort of real contribution it's going to have to come during his next contract and he is probably going to demand more than the 8m he is making now and mroe years than I'd be willing to give a defensive center pushing 30 with only one stellar season under his belt.

If, by the time his contract is over, Asik is a 29-year-old with three good seasons under his belt, what are you willing to give him?  Let's say he remains an above-average defender who averages a double-double while being in the top five in rebounding.

Now bear with me because I will fully admit that I am not well versed enough in NBA salaries to be able to confidently throw out figures. I try to assess them on a relative basis to guys recently signed and in relation to what other moves it would allow/restrict the team from making.

But I'll give it a shot. Assuming he has another 2 good seasons to finish off his contract (not a huge leap to make, but not exactly a certainty either) making him somewhere around in the 10-15 range in terms of NBA centers, he is probably looking at a little under what Big Al got this offseason on the open market (3 years 41m). They're sort of ying and yang guys, Asik doesn't bring much offense and Al doesn't bring much defense, but Al is a little younger and offense always pays more than defense. I'd split the difference between his current 8m a year deal and Al's 13.5m a year and give him in the 11m range for 3 years.

But even at that contract, which I myself deem reasonable, I still don't want to lock in a guy who doesn't have much room for his game to go up, and who, total gut feeling here, has as much a chance of keeping up his 10 and 10 stats as he does going the way of Andris Biedrins and falling off the face of the earth.

[Fafnir]

Yeah, and Asik is a career backup who had one good year --

Calling Asik a career backup who had one good year is like calling James Harden a career backup who had one good year.

Very similar to Harden, a career backup with great impact and numbers (per minute) off the bench.

Then the year he finally gets to start he got even better playing longer minutes.

The big difference between him and Harden was that Harden played a lot more in OKC before getting the starting role in Houston. Asik really impressed me, its hard to extend your minutes that much as a big man.

[kozlodoev]

Yeah, and Asik is a career backup who had one good year --

Calling Asik a career backup who had one good year is like calling James Harden a career backup who had one good year.

And I suppose calling Jeff Green an "average player" is entirely factual.

Please explain to me how he is not an average player? 14 / 4 is not average? below average maybe?  a 6'9 guy that plays as many minutes as him and gets 4 rebounds a night?  how is that not average?

What would your own logic make of Asik's 5 pts, 7 rebounds, and less than a block?

[sofutomygaha]

I was hoping that Asik and Green would play in last night's game so that I could get a better handle on this thread. As far as I could tell, neither one did.