C's/Clippers Update, Marc Stein Reporting NBA Office forcing reworking

[PhoSita]

Just let Doc go to the Clippers for a 1st round pick or two, we can negotiate a separate deal involving KG and whoever later.

[LarBrd33]

This is silly.  Are both individual moves legal within the rules of the league?... Then there is no reason to believe the league would stop either.  And thus it doesn't matter if they are contingent in each other or not since the league has zero reason to reject either individually.   

But I guess I see the thought process behind it.  You couldn't submit two trades to the league... One bringing in deandre and one right after it that sends him to the blazers for the #10.  That's why they have three team trades, I guess.

Is there no example of a team ever submitting two separate trades at the same time?... Or do they try to package them into one large trade.  What about at the trade deadline where a team submits back-to-back trades at the wire.... One sending a player to the raptors and another sending a player to the mavericks.  How is that really any different. Clearly they want both deals done and they both fit into their vision... If both trades involved sending out old vets for young players, wouldn't that be looked at as two deals "contingent" on each other?

I have to wonder if the bigger question is if Boston and the clippers have a handshake agreement for Boston NOT to trade pierce to a team in need of shedding cap space (like the mavs) and instead just buy him out.  If Boston buys out pierce instead of trading him, that points to a conspiracy

[aingeforthree]

If you're considering Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sullinger, & Jordan plus the draft picks dark days then sign me up now.

I don't recall dark days of the past being stacked with that type of talent.

This is hilarious, and also quite indicative of how short people's memory can be.

We had another team "loaded" with this type of "talent". I featured Pierce, Jefferson, Rondo, Perkins, Wally, and Delonte West.

Need I remind you how that went?

You're the only one that called that past team 'loaded'.  I never heard that.

Actually, you called that team loaded, implicitly. Arguably, it was "stacked" with more talent than next year's team: Pierce was better than Green, Jefferson was better than Sullinger, West/Wally vs Bradley and Perkins vs Jordan are pretty much a wash.

If Ainge adds Josh Smith, Al Jefferson, or Millsap to that team than I might use the term loaded.

[Fafnir]

Now there is discussion of an entirely "new" framework?

Oy vey....

[jambr380]

Mark Heisler ‏@MarkHeisler
#Celtics, #Clippers in lockdown--but NBA has problem w/twin transactions. Team official: 'NBA guys say they don't see how this can happen'

Weird, I really didn't see this as a big deal. So KG wants to play with Doc, so what? He is hardly the only player ever that has wanted to play for a certain coach. If it's too much compensation for Doc, just add a first to Jordan for KG. This is hardly a dirty deal.

[prov1ml34]

New framework should be sign and trade CP3 to Boston for Rajon Rondo. That is easy....

[Fafnir]

This is such a crazy situation, ugh.

[prov1ml34]

Baxter Holmes ‏@BaxterHolmes
Hearing plenty about snags in the deal. As I wrote long ago, there were initial concerns it'd be too complex to pull off.

Why would there be snags (plural)? Isn't the only problem the fact they 'look" (rightfully so) like a combined deal?

[BleedGreen1989]

This is such a crazy situation, ugh.

Indeed. Why does this nightmare have to linger?

[Roy H.]

Mark Heisler ‏@MarkHeisler
#Celtics, #Clippers in lockdown--but NBA has problem w/twin transactions. Team official: 'NBA guys say they don't see how this can happen'

Weird, I really didn't see this as a big deal. So KG wants to play with Doc, so what? He is hardly the only player ever that has wanted to play for a certain coach. If it's too much compensation for Doc, just add a first to Jordan for KG. This is hardly a dirty deal.

Yeah, the league allows teams to creatively structure trades all the time, to get around salary matching rules, etc.

Sounds like the NBA is just out to give us a hard time.

[Rondo2287]

Mark Heisler ‏@MarkHeisler
#Celtics, #Clippers in lockdown--but NBA has problem w/twin transactions. Team official: 'NBA guys say they don't see how this can happen'

Weird, I really didn't see this as a big deal. So KG wants to play with Doc, so what? He is hardly the only player ever that has wanted to play for a certain coach. If it's too much compensation for Doc, just add a first to Jordan for KG. This is hardly a dirty deal.

Yeah, the league allows teams to creatively structure trades all the time, to get around salary matching rules, etc.

Sounds like the NBA is just out to give us a hard time.

Mark Heisler‏@MarkHeisler
Aha!? @SGVNSports @MarkHeisler @HowardBeckNYT NBA won't let it happen today, it's Game 7. Expect it to magically get approved tomorrow.

[Fafnir]

Mark Heisler ‏@MarkHeisler
#Celtics, #Clippers in lockdown--but NBA has problem w/twin transactions. Team official: 'NBA guys say they don't see how this can happen'

Weird, I really didn't see this as a big deal. So KG wants to play with Doc, so what? He is hardly the only player ever that has wanted to play for a certain coach. If it's too much compensation for Doc, just add a first to Jordan for KG. This is hardly a dirty deal.

Yeah, the league allows teams to creatively structure trades all the time, to get around salary matching rules, etc.

Sounds like the NBA is just out to give us a hard time.

Yeah I think they're going to make us dance, but in the end the chairs all end up where we'd expect.

[hwangjini_1]

This is silly.  Are both individual moves legal within the rules of the league?... Then there is no reason to believe the league would stop either.  And thus it doesn't matter if they are contingent in each other or not since the league has zero reason to reject either individually.   

But I guess I see the thought process behind it.  You couldn't submit two trades to the league... One bringing in deandre and one right after it that sends him to the blazers for the #10.  That's why they have three team trades, I guess.

Is there no example of a team ever submitting two separate trades at the same time?... Or do they try to package them into one large trade.  What about at the trade deadline where a team submits back-to-back trades at the wire.... One sending a player to the raptors and another sending a player to the mavericks.  How is that really any different. Clearly they want both deals done and they both fit into their vision... If both trades involved sending out old vets for young players, wouldn't that be looked at as two deals "contingent" on each other?

I have to wonder if the bigger question is if Boston and the clippers have a handshake agreement for Boston NOT to trade pierce to a team in need of shedding cap space (like the mavs) and instead just buy him out.  If Boston buys out pierce instead of trading him, that points to a conspiracy

i am most certainly not privy to the inside discussions in the nba, but i think the nba's point is that these two actions (kg for aj trade, and, doc being released from his contract for 2 picks) are connected since neither one would take place without the other taking place.

that is, if you asked the clips if they would trade for kg and not have doc involved, the answer is it would not happen since kg wont go without doc.

if you asked the clips would they ask the celtics to release doc for two first rounders WITHOUT having kg follow doc to LA, i think they would say "no thanks."

therefore, it would seem that each deal depends upon the existence of the other. and if so, they are joined. and if they are joined, they violate the CBA.

i can see what the nba is saying here, even if i don't like it.

[fairweatherfan]

Couldn't we just trade KG for the whole package and quietly release Doc from his contract a day or two later?  I mean, it'd be collusion but they'd never be able to prove it.

Mark Heisler‏@MarkHeisler
Aha!? @SGVNSports @MarkHeisler @HowardBeckNYT NBA won't let it happen today, it's Game 7. Expect it to magically get approved tomorrow.

Ah - maybe so.  They'll make us do some song and dance swearing they aren't connected and wait til tomorrow to approve it.

[celts55]

Good. Hope the deal is voided. I hate this deal. 2 late 1st round picks and an overpaid center is awful.

Apprently the Clippers came back to the table because Paul insinuated he will leave if they don't make trade. I say Danny has the advantage and should either get what he wants (Blodsoe or salery dump) or walk away. Let the Clippers lose Paul.

homie, you're getting Jordan + 2 firsts for KG.  That's a fair trade & then some for an old man whose got 1 year left.

We all know Doc's contingent on the trade but technically you can't trade a coach.

Right now, it's about rebuilding this thing and you start with a 24 year old talented Center, & 2 picks.  Late or not, value can be found in any draft in the first round.  Ask Rajon Rondo (21st overall), Tony Allen (25th overall), Kendrick Perkins (27th overall), and even DeAndre Jordan (2nd round, 35th overall).

Put in the scouting work & you can find a player that will help your team.  Ask Ainge since he's acquired talent with those picks or even ask the Spurs Danny Green (2nd round, 46th overall).

First, please don't call KG some old man who's got a year left. He's still better that most of the bigs in the league.

Second, I might agree with you if the Celtics were getting a young talented big man, but they're get Jordan, an overpaid, no offensive, awful FT shooting, Okay big.

Third, for every Rondo there are 2-3 J.R. Giddens.