Ainge is a Moron

[kozlodoev]

I would still love to do the Doc part of the deal by itself.

Doc for a first round pick. Do that. Figure out the rest later.

AMEN! DOC CAN HIT THE ROAD! Funny i do not see the blind defense of him anymore here after his shenanigans.

Well, Garnett retires the next day, since, as previously stated, he isn't planning to play for a coach other than Doc.

By the way, it's funny that you reference "blind defense", given that the purported "shenanigans" are, at this point, nothing but a fairly blind speculation on the Internetz.

[slamtheking]

 The talks broke down Tuesday morning when the Clippers "refused to budge" on Boston's latest proposal that asked for DeAndre Jordan, straight up for Garnett, and two first-round draft picks as compensation for allowing Rivers out of the final three-years and $21 million of his contract.
 
 He's always trying to swindle the other team. Face it Danny KG is 37 years old if they would have gave up Jordan and Bledsoe Great, but they don't. WHY? Cause he's 37. Take Jordan and one first we have to rebuild. I'm not the biggest Jordan fan but he's 24 years old, one of the best shot blockers in the game, and we have nothing as far as NBA level size. No bigs Sully can rebound. I'll be really mad with Danny if he screwed this up.

How does this trade help us?  Jordna's paid about the same as KG but with far less productivity.  He's younger but so what.  I'll take production any day. 

You really want just a 1st rounder to go with him?  why?  by the time that pick comes around this year, the BPA on the board will still be a crapshoot to even be a rotation player in 2 years. 

I'm glad this deal is dead--it was horrible.  I'd rather take another shot at it with KG and PP and with a healthy Rondo and Sully back to see what we can do.  let PP and KG retire after next year and free up some cap money when JET, Lee and Bass are all expiring deals and have a much better chance of being moved for some assets.

[CoachBo]

I'm glad Danny passed on this particular offer.

Agreed.

The Clips backed out of this deal because they are cheapskates. 

Kevin O'Connor's article on the front page makes some decent points about value, but I don't think this was a case of Ainge valuing his guys too highly.  KG and Doc for Deandre Jordan and two 1st round picks is arguably a fairly low return, considering Jordan's inflated salary. 

I think it's fair to say that the only reason Ainge was willing to come down to that offer in the first place was because he didn't have a very good bargaining position, to say the least.

Nah. I don't agree about O'Connor's article at all. He's FAR too linear in his measurement of value, and he fails entirely to consider several other variables, such as the value of a retirement, etc. That article is really quite errant, and is little more than one fan's haste to break up the Celtics.

As for Ainge, the truth - as it usually is - is somewhere in the middle between the haters and the people who think he's a genius.

Certainly, he has had his notable failures: The "potential" he accumulated prior to 2008 would have consigned the Celtics to the scrap heap forever, and the proof lies quite clearly in that group's overall body of work - or disappearance into obscurity.

There simply is nothing less than blind faith unsupported by evidence to suggest that this team could be burned to the ground and Ainge would construct another champion from the ground up.

His off-season following the championship was a disaster, and his off-season last summer produced pieces that didn't fit.

Happily, he was in the right place at the right time with all that alleged potential, when Sam Presti and Kevin McHale were holding fire sales. But assuming those deals can be replicated is another example of the blind faith referenced above.

He was spot on unloading the albatross that is Kendrick Perkins.

And no sane person would move Garnett and Rivers for a decidedly limited, vastly overpaid center and one draft pick. To call that value is absolutely laughable.

With Ainge, he giveth and he taketh away.

[RAcker]

Ainge is phenomenal.  We're extremely lucky to have him as a GM.  Dude is all about thinking outside the box.  They've had to change rules based on his loopholes... remember when he traded Payton to Atlanta only to have Gary back in Boston within a couple weeks?  The NBA had to to change the rules, because of him.   And now Danny's trying to trade his coach for two first rounders? Lol.  I love it.  Dude set's precedents.  Dude has vision.  Dude would sell his own mother if it would bring Boston a title.   Ainge is amazing.  People bashing him don't understand what being an NBA GM is all about.   He'll do anything to improve this team.  Dude tanked in 2007, we ended up with the worst case scenario #5 pick, and he flipped his roster into a champion with a 3 year window.   I love Danny Ainge.  You wouldn't want a different GM... trust me.

Amen, amen and amen.

[Celtics4ever]

Ainge is a good GM, I think the OP is looking in a mirror.

[jambr380]

I did a lot of reading on Clips Nation and believe me, they are very unhappy that Sterling/Sacks wouldn't budge on the other first round pick. They believed that 'championship pedigree' would help change Clippers culture and solidify them as a legitimate contenders in the next couple of years.

You really can't blame Ainge for this one. He kept lowering his offer while the other side wouldn't budge. It's a shame something couldn't get done, but even the Clippers fans blame themselves on this one.

[tyrone biggums]

 The talks broke down Tuesday morning when the Clippers "refused to budge" on Boston's latest proposal that asked for DeAndre Jordan, straight up for Garnett, and two first-round draft picks as compensation for allowing Rivers out of the final three-years and $21 million of his contract.
 
 He's always trying to swindle the other team. Face it Danny KG is 37 years old if they would have gave up Jordan and Bledsoe Great, but they don't. WHY? Cause he's 37. Take Jordan and one first we have to rebuild. I'm not the biggest Jordan fan but he's 24 years old, one of the best shot blockers in the game, and we have nothing as far as NBA level size. No bigs Sully can rebound. I'll be really mad with Danny if he screwed this up.

You must not know a lot about cap management. I get that because Jordan is 24 he is attractive to the Celtics. But age isn't everything. He's a good shot blocker but horrible from the line and cannot play in the 4th quarter. I would rather let Pierce and KG just expire than take that deal of Jordan and the 2013 pick. We do need to rebuild eventually doesn't mean that the Celtics need to take a substandard offer because they are getting someone back that is under 25 years old.

[Fafnir]

 The talks broke down Tuesday morning when the Clippers "refused to budge" on Boston's latest proposal that asked for DeAndre Jordan, straight up for Garnett, and two first-round draft picks as compensation for allowing Rivers out of the final three-years and $21 million of his contract.
 
 He's always trying to swindle the other team. Face it Danny KG is 37 years old if they would have gave up Jordan and Bledsoe Great, but they don't. WHY? Cause he's 37. Take Jordan and one first we have to rebuild. I'm not the biggest Jordan fan but he's 24 years old, one of the best shot blockers in the game, and we have nothing as far as NBA level size. No bigs Sully can rebound. I'll be really mad with Danny if he screwed this up.

You must not know a lot about cap management. I get that because Jordan is 24 he is attractive to the Celtics. But age isn't everything. He's a good shot blocker but horrible from the line and cannot play in the 4th quarter. I would rather let Pierce and KG just expire than take that deal of Jordan and the 2013 pick. We do need to rebuild eventually doesn't mean that the Celtics need to take a substandard offer because they are getting someone back that is under 25 years old.

Jordan is only under contract for two more years, same as KG.

Taking him on doesn't hurt our cap, unless you want to count on KG retiring.

[Neurotic Guy]

A remarkably unanimous repudiation of the thread title.

[Chief Macho]

Ainge is phenomenal.  We're extremely lucky to have him as a GM.  Dude is all about thinking outside the box.  They've had to change rules based on his loopholes... remember when he traded Payton to Atlanta only to have Gary back in Boston within a couple weeks?  The NBA had to to change the rules, because of him.   And now Danny's trying to trade his coach for two first rounders? Lol.  I love it.  Dude set's precedents.  Dude has vision.  Dude would sell his own mother if it would bring Boston a title.   Ainge is amazing.  People bashing him don't understand what being an NBA GM is all about.   He'll do anything to improve this team.  Dude tanked in 2007, we ended up with the worst case scenario #5 pick, and he flipped his roster into a champion with a 3 year window.   I love Danny Ainge.  You wouldn't want a different GM... trust me.

no.  he's done some good and some bad.  last summer looks like a disaster right now.

[RJ87]

Ainge is phenomenal.  We're extremely lucky to have him as a GM.  Dude is all about thinking outside the box.  They've had to change rules based on his loopholes... remember when he traded Payton to Atlanta only to have Gary back in Boston within a couple weeks?  The NBA had to to change the rules, because of him.   And now Danny's trying to trade his coach for two first rounders? Lol.  I love it.  Dude set's precedents.  Dude has vision.  Dude would sell his own mother if it would bring Boston a title.   Ainge is amazing.  People bashing him don't understand what being an NBA GM is all about.   He'll do anything to improve this team.  Dude tanked in 2007, we ended up with the worst case scenario #5 pick, and he flipped his roster into a champion with a 3 year window.   I love Danny Ainge.  You wouldn't want a different GM... trust me.

no.  he's done some good and some bad.  last summer looks like a disaster right now.

At the time, everyone was calling Danny's moves a success. No one could've predicted the season would've gone as it did, but on paper the moves Danny made last summer while being over cap was impressive.

[Casperian]

No, he isn´t.

Ainge can´t take a lowball offer. The Clippers walked away.

The ball is in their court, and if they don´t want to play, then we´ll hit self-destruct sooner or later, anyway.

This way, Danny kept his dignity, and showed some necessary strength in these negotiations. That´s worth more than the reported Jordan and a first, in the long run.

Jordan and 2 firsts is already 80 cents on the dollar, but it´s something you can at least work with. That second pick could be especially valuable, with high risk, high reward.

Anything less is basically adding insult to injury.

[syfy9]

Ainge is phenomenal.  We're extremely lucky to have him as a GM.  Dude is all about thinking outside the box.  They've had to change rules based on his loopholes... remember when he traded Payton to Atlanta only to have Gary back in Boston within a couple weeks?  The NBA had to to change the rules, because of him.   And now Danny's trying to trade his coach for two first rounders? Lol.  I love it.  Dude set's precedents.  Dude has vision.  Dude would sell his own mother if it would bring Boston a title.   Ainge is amazing.  People bashing him don't understand what being an NBA GM is all about.   He'll do anything to improve this team.  Dude tanked in 2007, we ended up with the worst case scenario #5 pick, and he flipped his roster into a champion with a 3 year window.   I love Danny Ainge.  You wouldn't want a different GM... trust me.

no.  he's done some good and some bad.  last summer looks like a disaster right now.

Last summer, it looked like a masterpiece of a performance by Danny.

We were projected the 2nd best team in the East behind the Heat. It's not Danny's fault that everything fell apart.

[Snakehead]

Ainge is phenomenal.  We're extremely lucky to have him as a GM.  Dude is all about thinking outside the box.  They've had to change rules based on his loopholes... remember when he traded Payton to Atlanta only to have Gary back in Boston within a couple weeks?  The NBA had to to change the rules, because of him.   And now Danny's trying to trade his coach for two first rounders? Lol.  I love it.  Dude set's precedents.  Dude has vision.  Dude would sell his own mother if it would bring Boston a title.   Ainge is amazing.  People bashing him don't understand what being an NBA GM is all about.   He'll do anything to improve this team.  Dude tanked in 2007, we ended up with the worst case scenario #5 pick, and he flipped his roster into a champion with a 3 year window.   I love Danny Ainge.  You wouldn't want a different GM... trust me.

no.  he's done some good and some bad.  last summer looks like a disaster right now.

Last summer, it looked like a masterpiece of a performance by Danny.

We were projected the 2nd best team in the East behind the Heat. It's not Danny's fault that everything fell apart.

Exactly.  The team just under performed.  The defense stunk until Avery came back (which makes some sense as Avery is a great defender, but the D before was inexcusable).  Everyone thought Terry was a great pick up and it just didn't work as it was planned.

[Chief Macho]

Ainge is phenomenal.  We're extremely lucky to have him as a GM.  Dude is all about thinking outside the box.  They've had to change rules based on his loopholes... remember when he traded Payton to Atlanta only to have Gary back in Boston within a couple weeks?  The NBA had to to change the rules, because of him.   And now Danny's trying to trade his coach for two first rounders? Lol.  I love it.  Dude set's precedents.  Dude has vision.  Dude would sell his own mother if it would bring Boston a title.   Ainge is amazing.  People bashing him don't understand what being an NBA GM is all about.   He'll do anything to improve this team.  Dude tanked in 2007, we ended up with the worst case scenario #5 pick, and he flipped his roster into a champion with a 3 year window.   I love Danny Ainge.  You wouldn't want a different GM... trust me.

no.  he's done some good and some bad.  last summer looks like a disaster right now.

At the time, everyone was calling Danny's moves a success. No one could've predicted the season would've gone as it did, but on paper the moves Danny made last summer while being over cap was impressive.

not me,  i posted it at the time, and other people did too.   ainge got caught being overly impressed with the celtics heat performance. he could have been more conservative with these multi year deals he handed out. he was recklessly going all in.   he's done well,  but last summer he gambled  recklessly and lost.  now he's a year late.  just my opinion and it's stayed consistent.