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Re: Ainge is a Moron
« Reply #60 on: June 18, 2013, 07:47:41 PM »

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Re: Ainge is a Moron
« Reply #61 on: June 18, 2013, 07:53:47 PM »

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 The talks broke down Tuesday morning when the Clippers "refused to budge" on Boston's latest proposal that asked for DeAndre Jordan, straight up for Garnett, and two first-round draft picks as compensation for allowing Rivers out of the final three-years and $21 million of his contract.
 
 He's always trying to swindle the other team. Face it Danny KG is 37 years old if they would have gave up Jordan and Bledsoe Great, but they don't. WHY? Cause he's 37. Take Jordan and one first we have to rebuild. I'm not the biggest Jordan fan but he's 24 years old, one of the best shot blockers in the game, and we have nothing as far as NBA level size. No bigs Sully can rebound. I'll be really mad with Danny if he screwed this up.

I agree. Why was a second draft pick so important for Ainge? Also, wasn't Caron Butler suppose to be part of the deal? Regardless, I don't think you'll find a better offer for a 37 year old.

Re: Ainge is a Moron
« Reply #62 on: June 18, 2013, 07:53:55 PM »

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 The talks broke down Tuesday morning when the Clippers "refused to budge" on Boston's latest proposal that asked for DeAndre Jordan, straight up for Garnett, and two first-round draft picks as compensation for allowing Rivers out of the final three-years and $21 million of his contract.
 
 He's always trying to swindle the other team. Face it Danny KG is 37 years old if they would have gave up Jordan and Bledsoe Great, but they don't. WHY? Cause he's 37. Take Jordan and one first we have to rebuild. I'm not the biggest Jordan fan but he's 24 years old, one of the best shot blockers in the game, and we have nothing as far as NBA level size. No bigs Sully can rebound. I'll be really mad with Danny if he screwed this up.

Wow...you really have no clue.

In case you didn't realise this, if the Clippers made the trade then Boston would have also bought out Pierce so he could freely joing the Clippers too, probably at a much reduced rate (as he'd already have tgeh $5M paid out by Boston).  That means the Clippers were actually getting Doc, KG and Pierce.

Lets put that in to perspective.

Point 1:
KG and Pierce combined averaged 33 points, 13 rebounds and 6 assists last season. DeAndre Jordan averaged 10 points, 7 rebounds and 1 assist.  Jordan and Bledsoe combined averaged 18 points, 10 rebounds and 3 assists.  The Clippers don't even have an interest in keeping Bledsoe for their team plans - they only want to keep him as a trade asset for later down the track.  That means that the Clippers don't see Jordan and Bledsoe in the teams plans anyway, yet they belive that Jordan and Bledsoe was not a realistic expectation for KG and a guaranteed chance to sign Pierce - really?

Point 2:
DeAndre Jordan is on a terrible contract.  For $10M/season he is giving them practically zero scoring output and cannot play end of games because of his 30% free throw shooting makes him a liability. For the above reasons he has very little trade value to us, nor is he talented enough to build around for his talent.  Taking him is pretty much doing the Clippers a favour by accepting a $10M bad contract, yet when Danny asked them to absorb one of our $5M contracts in return (Lee or Terry) they deemed that unresonable - really?

Point 3:
Doc Rivers is a championship coach and a top 3 coach in the league right now, top 5 at the very least.  Adding him to the Clippers undoubtedly improved the team significantly.  Add Doc, KG and Pierce and the Clippers instantly become a top 3 favorite to contend for a title next season, which means any of their draft picks would become very late ones worth very little.  They claimed that giving up two late draft picks (a late first and a late second) is unreasonable for a for the right to sign one of the leagues premier coaches - really?

The Celtics - by giving up Doc, Pierce and KG - showed a willingness to sacrifice their 'now' in order to help brighten their future.

The Clippers basically wanted to improve their 'now' (by adding Doc, Pierce and KG) without giving up any future (Bledsoe, Picks).  That is unreasonable and simply greedy.
 
Now They don't get Doc, they don't get KG, they don't get Pierce.  They now sacrifice their hope of winning a title (nobody else they can get will likely give them the boost KG, Pierce and DOc would) and as such risk losing the chance to re-sign Chris PAul.

As for the KG being 37 years old comment yes...KG is 37 years old.  This season (as a 37 year old) he also:
1. Made the All-Star team
2. Had one of the highest positive net ratings among active players
3. Was Boston's leading rebounder
4. Was Boston's second leading scorer

Make no mistake, the addition of KG and Doc would have instantly transformed the Clippers in to a top 10 defensive team as well as a skilled jumpshooter that would have helped spread the floor for Griffin.  The addition of Pierce would would have added a multi-dimensional scoring threat  to help take attention off Chris Paul.  With Paul and Griffin there, both Pierce and KG could taken reduced roles with less pressure on them to carry the offensive load, which better suits their abilities at this point in their careers - that means they wouldn't have been pushed constantly to the limit, so they probably would have been more efficient offensively there. 

There is a good chance that these moves would have taken the Clippers to the Western Conference Finals at the very least (quite probably the finals) for a run at a title, and all we wanted in return was two fringe-starters with upside and a late first rounder.  For the Clippers this was the ultimate bargain, but they were too greedy and wanted everything for nothing.

I absolutely applaud DA for standing strong on this.  We are so much better off letting Pierce and KG retire here (and letting $26M come off the books) than we are dumping them in return for another bad contract (Jordan) and a single late draft pick - two pieces that have little value to us either now or in the future.

Re: Ainge is a Moron
« Reply #63 on: June 18, 2013, 08:06:04 PM »

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 The talks broke down Tuesday morning when the Clippers "refused to budge" on Boston's latest proposal that asked for DeAndre Jordan, straight up for Garnett, and two first-round draft picks as compensation for allowing Rivers out of the final three-years and $21 million of his contract.
 
 He's always trying to swindle the other team. Face it Danny KG is 37 years old if they would have gave up Jordan and Bledsoe Great, but they don't. WHY? Cause he's 37. Take Jordan and one first we have to rebuild. I'm not the biggest Jordan fan but he's 24 years old, one of the best shot blockers in the game, and we have nothing as far as NBA level size. No bigs Sully can rebound. I'll be really mad with Danny if he screwed this up.

Wow...you really have no clue.

In case you didn't realise this, if the Clippers made the trade then Boston would have also bought out Pierce so he could freely joing the Clippers too, probably at a much reduced rate (as he'd already have tgeh $5M paid out by Boston).  That means the Clippers were actually getting Doc, KG and Pierce.

Lets put that in to perspective.

Point 1:
KG and Pierce combined averaged 33 points, 13 rebounds and 6 assists last season. DeAndre Jordan averaged 10 points, 7 rebounds and 1 assist.  Jordan and Bledsoe combined averaged 18 points, 10 rebounds and 3 assists.  The Clippers don't even have an interest in keeping Bledsoe for their team plans - they only want to keep him as a trade asset for later down the track.  That means that the Clippers don't see Jordan and Bledsoe in the teams plans anyway, yet they belive that Jordan and Bledsoe was not a realistic expectation for KG and a guaranteed chance to sign Pierce - really?

Point 2:
DeAndre Jordan is on a terrible contract.  For $10M/season he is giving them practically zero scoring output and cannot play end of games because of his 30% free throw shooting makes him a liability. For the above reasons he has very little trade value to us, nor is he talented enough to build around for his talent.  Taking him is pretty much doing the Clippers a favour by accepting a $10M bad contract, yet when Danny asked them to absorb one of our $5M contracts in return (Lee or Terry) they deemed that unresonable - really?

Point 3:
Doc Rivers is a championship coach and a top 3 coach in the league right now, top 5 at the very least.  Adding him to the Clippers undoubtedly improved the team significantly.  Add Doc, KG and Pierce and the Clippers instantly become a top 3 favorite to contend for a title next season, which means any of their draft picks would become very late ones worth very little.  They claimed that giving up two late draft picks (a late first and a late second) is unreasonable for a for the right to sign one of the leagues premier coaches - really?

The Celtics - by giving up Doc, Pierce and KG - showed a willingness to sacrifice their 'now' in order to help brighten their future.

The Clippers basically wanted to improve their 'now' (by adding Doc, Pierce and KG) without giving up any future (Bledsoe, Picks).  That is unreasonable and simply greedy.
 
Now They don't get Doc, they don't get KG, they don't get Pierce.  They now sacrifice their hope of winning a title (nobody else they can get will likely give them the boost KG, Pierce and DOc would) and as such risk losing the chance to re-sign Chris PAul.

As for the KG being 37 years old comment yes...KG is 37 years old.  This season (as a 37 year old) he also:
1. Made the All-Star team
2. Had one of the highest positive net ratings among active players
3. Was Boston's leading rebounder
4. Was Boston's second leading scorer

Make no mistake, the addition of KG and Doc would have instantly transformed the Clippers in to a top 10 defensive team as well as a skilled jumpshooter that would have helped spread the floor for Griffin.  The addition of Pierce would would have added a multi-dimensional scoring threat  to help take attention off Chris Paul.  With Paul and Griffin there, both Pierce and KG could taken reduced roles with less pressure on them to carry the offensive load, which better suits their abilities at this point in their careers - that means they wouldn't have been pushed constantly to the limit, so they probably would have been more efficient offensively there. 

There is a good chance that these moves would have taken the Clippers to the Western Conference Finals at the very least (quite probably the finals) for a run at a title, and all we wanted in return was two fringe-starters with upside and a late first rounder.  For the Clippers this was the ultimate bargain, but they were too greedy and wanted everything for nothing.

I absolutely applaud DA for standing strong on this.  We are so much better off letting Pierce and KG retire here (and letting $26M come off the books) than we are dumping them in return for another bad contract (Jordan) and a single late draft pick - two pieces that have little value to us either now or in the future.

nicely put.   i have been a big supporter of moving on, but when you learn that this is the only 'value' that's out there and considering the all in approach Danny tried last summer there really is no other option then to let it play it self out.

Re: Ainge is a Moron
« Reply #64 on: June 18, 2013, 08:06:54 PM »

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The person that started this thread is a moron.

Can we say that?
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Re: Ainge is a Moron
« Reply #65 on: June 18, 2013, 08:13:30 PM »

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 The talks broke down Tuesday morning when the Clippers "refused to budge" on Boston's latest proposal that asked for DeAndre Jordan, straight up for Garnett, and two first-round draft picks as compensation for allowing Rivers out of the final three-years and $21 million of his contract.
 
 He's always trying to swindle the other team. Face it Danny KG is 37 years old if they would have gave up Jordan and Bledsoe Great, but they don't. WHY? Cause he's 37. Take Jordan and one first we have to rebuild. I'm not the biggest Jordan fan but he's 24 years old, one of the best shot blockers in the game, and we have nothing as far as NBA level size. No bigs Sully can rebound. I'll be really mad with Danny if he screwed this up.

Wow...you really have no clue.

In case you didn't realise this, if the Clippers made the trade then Boston would have also bought out Pierce so he could freely joing the Clippers too, probably at a much reduced rate (as he'd already have tgeh $5M paid out by Boston).  That means the Clippers were actually getting Doc, KG and Pierce.

Lets put that in to perspective.

Point 1:
KG and Pierce combined averaged 33 points, 13 rebounds and 6 assists last season. DeAndre Jordan averaged 10 points, 7 rebounds and 1 assist.  Jordan and Bledsoe combined averaged 18 points, 10 rebounds and 3 assists.  The Clippers don't even have an interest in keeping Bledsoe for their team plans - they only want to keep him as a trade asset for later down the track.  That means that the Clippers don't see Jordan and Bledsoe in the teams plans anyway, yet they belive that Jordan and Bledsoe was not a realistic expectation for KG and a guaranteed chance to sign Pierce - really?

Point 2:
DeAndre Jordan is on a terrible contract.  For $10M/season he is giving them practically zero scoring output and cannot play end of games because of his 30% free throw shooting makes him a liability. For the above reasons he has very little trade value to us, nor is he talented enough to build around for his talent.  Taking him is pretty much doing the Clippers a favour by accepting a $10M bad contract, yet when Danny asked them to absorb one of our $5M contracts in return (Lee or Terry) they deemed that unresonable - really?

Point 3:
Doc Rivers is a championship coach and a top 3 coach in the league right now, top 5 at the very least.  Adding him to the Clippers undoubtedly improved the team significantly.  Add Doc, KG and Pierce and the Clippers instantly become a top 3 favorite to contend for a title next season, which means any of their draft picks would become very late ones worth very little.  They claimed that giving up two late draft picks (a late first and a late second) is unreasonable for a for the right to sign one of the leagues premier coaches - really?

The Celtics - by giving up Doc, Pierce and KG - showed a willingness to sacrifice their 'now' in order to help brighten their future.

The Clippers basically wanted to improve their 'now' (by adding Doc, Pierce and KG) without giving up any future (Bledsoe, Picks).  That is unreasonable and simply greedy.
 
Now They don't get Doc, they don't get KG, they don't get Pierce.  They now sacrifice their hope of winning a title (nobody else they can get will likely give them the boost KG, Pierce and DOc would) and as such risk losing the chance to re-sign Chris PAul.

As for the KG being 37 years old comment yes...KG is 37 years old.  This season (as a 37 year old) he also:
1. Made the All-Star team
2. Had one of the highest positive net ratings among active players
3. Was Boston's leading rebounder
4. Was Boston's second leading scorer

Make no mistake, the addition of KG and Doc would have instantly transformed the Clippers in to a top 10 defensive team as well as a skilled jumpshooter that would have helped spread the floor for Griffin.  The addition of Pierce would would have added a multi-dimensional scoring threat  to help take attention off Chris Paul.  With Paul and Griffin there, both Pierce and KG could taken reduced roles with less pressure on them to carry the offensive load, which better suits their abilities at this point in their careers - that means they wouldn't have been pushed constantly to the limit, so they probably would have been more efficient offensively there. 

There is a good chance that these moves would have taken the Clippers to the Western Conference Finals at the very least (quite probably the finals) for a run at a title, and all we wanted in return was two fringe-starters with upside and a late first rounder.  For the Clippers this was the ultimate bargain, but they were too greedy and wanted everything for nothing.

I absolutely applaud DA for standing strong on this.  We are so much better off letting Pierce and KG retire here (and letting $26M come off the books) than we are dumping them in return for another bad contract (Jordan) and a single late draft pick - two pieces that have little value to us either now or in the future.

there is no guarantee that PP would end up with them, but I see what you are saying.

I agree that the Clips are fools for not doing this deal, this will most likely be their best option and chance for a title.

Personally I can't stand another year of watching this team walk the ball up the court taking jump shots that are not going in and than refusing to get closer to the hoop because they are to old to withstand the contact.

DA better do something.

Re: Ainge is a Moron
« Reply #66 on: June 18, 2013, 08:18:45 PM »

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 The talks broke down Tuesday morning when the Clippers "refused to budge" on Boston's latest proposal that asked for DeAndre Jordan, straight up for Garnett, and two first-round draft picks as compensation for allowing Rivers out of the final three-years and $21 million of his contract.
 
 He's always trying to swindle the other team. Face it Danny KG is 37 years old if they would have gave up Jordan and Bledsoe Great, but they don't. WHY? Cause he's 37. Take Jordan and one first we have to rebuild. I'm not the biggest Jordan fan but he's 24 years old, one of the best shot blockers in the game, and we have nothing as far as NBA level size. No bigs Sully can rebound. I'll be really mad with Danny if he screwed this up.

Wow...you really have no clue.

In case you didn't realise this, if the Clippers made the trade then Boston would have also bought out Pierce so he could freely joing the Clippers too, probably at a much reduced rate (as he'd already have tgeh $5M paid out by Boston).  That means the Clippers were actually getting Doc, KG and Pierce.

Lets put that in to perspective.

Point 1:
KG and Pierce combined averaged 33 points, 13 rebounds and 6 assists last season. DeAndre Jordan averaged 10 points, 7 rebounds and 1 assist.  Jordan and Bledsoe combined averaged 18 points, 10 rebounds and 3 assists.  The Clippers don't even have an interest in keeping Bledsoe for their team plans - they only want to keep him as a trade asset for later down the track.  That means that the Clippers don't see Jordan and Bledsoe in the teams plans anyway, yet they belive that Jordan and Bledsoe was not a realistic expectation for KG and a guaranteed chance to sign Pierce - really?

Point 2:
DeAndre Jordan is on a terrible contract.  For $10M/season he is giving them practically zero scoring output and cannot play end of games because of his 30% free throw shooting makes him a liability. For the above reasons he has very little trade value to us, nor is he talented enough to build around for his talent.  Taking him is pretty much doing the Clippers a favour by accepting a $10M bad contract, yet when Danny asked them to absorb one of our $5M contracts in return (Lee or Terry) they deemed that unresonable - really?

Point 3:
Doc Rivers is a championship coach and a top 3 coach in the league right now, top 5 at the very least.  Adding him to the Clippers undoubtedly improved the team significantly.  Add Doc, KG and Pierce and the Clippers instantly become a top 3 favorite to contend for a title next season, which means any of their draft picks would become very late ones worth very little.  They claimed that giving up two late draft picks (a late first and a late second) is unreasonable for a for the right to sign one of the leagues premier coaches - really?

The Celtics - by giving up Doc, Pierce and KG - showed a willingness to sacrifice their 'now' in order to help brighten their future.

The Clippers basically wanted to improve their 'now' (by adding Doc, Pierce and KG) without giving up any future (Bledsoe, Picks).  That is unreasonable and simply greedy.
 
Now They don't get Doc, they don't get KG, they don't get Pierce.  They now sacrifice their hope of winning a title (nobody else they can get will likely give them the boost KG, Pierce and DOc would) and as such risk losing the chance to re-sign Chris PAul.

As for the KG being 37 years old comment yes...KG is 37 years old.  This season (as a 37 year old) he also:
1. Made the All-Star team
2. Had one of the highest positive net ratings among active players
3. Was Boston's leading rebounder
4. Was Boston's second leading scorer

Make no mistake, the addition of KG and Doc would have instantly transformed the Clippers in to a top 10 defensive team as well as a skilled jumpshooter that would have helped spread the floor for Griffin.  The addition of Pierce would would have added a multi-dimensional scoring threat  to help take attention off Chris Paul.  With Paul and Griffin there, both Pierce and KG could taken reduced roles with less pressure on them to carry the offensive load, which better suits their abilities at this point in their careers - that means they wouldn't have been pushed constantly to the limit, so they probably would have been more efficient offensively there. 

There is a good chance that these moves would have taken the Clippers to the Western Conference Finals at the very least (quite probably the finals) for a run at a title, and all we wanted in return was two fringe-starters with upside and a late first rounder.  For the Clippers this was the ultimate bargain, but they were too greedy and wanted everything for nothing.

I absolutely applaud DA for standing strong on this.  We are so much better off letting Pierce and KG retire here (and letting $26M come off the books) than we are dumping them in return for another bad contract (Jordan) and a single late draft pick - two pieces that have little value to us either now or in the future.

You get a TP from me for everything other than the first sentence of your post, and it really has nothing to do with whether I agree with you or not.

It's nice to read a post that actually sets out some evidence and states an argument.

I've gotten pretty tired over the last few days reading nonsensical rants that personally attack DA or Doc, or even other posters, based on zero real information and without any underlying basis in reality.

It helps that your post is actually written in English, and  does not randomly include ALL CAPS!!! and/or words that do not exist in the language we are all supposed to be using.

Thanks.

PS I'm not attacking the OP in particular here in case anyone is wondering, except for what I think was a poor choice of words in the title of the thread. Why not just say "Danny made a huge mistake"?

PPS On the actual debate here, I personally think that using how much the trade would have helped the Clippers is a poor way of arguing that Danny should not have made the trade. Whether this would have made the Clippers better off is a somewhat separate question from whether it would have made the Celtics better off. Both could be true.

Re: Ainge is a Moron
« Reply #67 on: June 18, 2013, 08:22:08 PM »

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 The talks broke down Tuesday morning when the Clippers "refused to budge" on Boston's latest proposal that asked for DeAndre Jordan, straight up for Garnett, and two first-round draft picks as compensation for allowing Rivers out of the final three-years and $21 million of his contract.
 
 He's always trying to swindle the other team. Face it Danny KG is 37 years old if they would have gave up Jordan and Bledsoe Great, but they don't. WHY? Cause he's 37. Take Jordan and one first we have to rebuild. I'm not the biggest Jordan fan but he's 24 years old, one of the best shot blockers in the game, and we have nothing as far as NBA level size. No bigs Sully can rebound. I'll be really mad with Danny if he screwed this up.

Wow...you really have no clue.

In case you didn't realise this, if the Clippers made the trade then Boston would have also bought out Pierce so he could freely joing the Clippers too, probably at a much reduced rate (as he'd already have tgeh $5M paid out by Boston).  That means the Clippers were actually getting Doc, KG and Pierce.

Lets put that in to perspective.

Point 1:
KG and Pierce combined averaged 33 points, 13 rebounds and 6 assists last season. DeAndre Jordan averaged 10 points, 7 rebounds and 1 assist.  Jordan and Bledsoe combined averaged 18 points, 10 rebounds and 3 assists.  The Clippers don't even have an interest in keeping Bledsoe for their team plans - they only want to keep him as a trade asset for later down the track.  That means that the Clippers don't see Jordan and Bledsoe in the teams plans anyway, yet they belive that Jordan and Bledsoe was not a realistic expectation for KG and a guaranteed chance to sign Pierce - really?

Point 2:
DeAndre Jordan is on a terrible contract.  For $10M/season he is giving them practically zero scoring output and cannot play end of games because of his 30% free throw shooting makes him a liability. For the above reasons he has very little trade value to us, nor is he talented enough to build around for his talent.  Taking him is pretty much doing the Clippers a favour by accepting a $10M bad contract, yet when Danny asked them to absorb one of our $5M contracts in return (Lee or Terry) they deemed that unresonable - really?

Point 3:
Doc Rivers is a championship coach and a top 3 coach in the league right now, top 5 at the very least.  Adding him to the Clippers undoubtedly improved the team significantly.  Add Doc, KG and Pierce and the Clippers instantly become a top 3 favorite to contend for a title next season, which means any of their draft picks would become very late ones worth very little.  They claimed that giving up two late draft picks (a late first and a late second) is unreasonable for a for the right to sign one of the leagues premier coaches - really?

The Celtics - by giving up Doc, Pierce and KG - showed a willingness to sacrifice their 'now' in order to help brighten their future.

The Clippers basically wanted to improve their 'now' (by adding Doc, Pierce and KG) without giving up any future (Bledsoe, Picks).  That is unreasonable and simply greedy.
 
Now They don't get Doc, they don't get KG, they don't get Pierce.  They now sacrifice their hope of winning a title (nobody else they can get will likely give them the boost KG, Pierce and DOc would) and as such risk losing the chance to re-sign Chris PAul.

As for the KG being 37 years old comment yes...KG is 37 years old.  This season (as a 37 year old) he also:
1. Made the All-Star team
2. Had one of the highest positive net ratings among active players
3. Was Boston's leading rebounder
4. Was Boston's second leading scorer

Make no mistake, the addition of KG and Doc would have instantly transformed the Clippers in to a top 10 defensive team as well as a skilled jumpshooter that would have helped spread the floor for Griffin.  The addition of Pierce would would have added a multi-dimensional scoring threat  to help take attention off Chris Paul.  With Paul and Griffin there, both Pierce and KG could taken reduced roles with less pressure on them to carry the offensive load, which better suits their abilities at this point in their careers - that means they wouldn't have been pushed constantly to the limit, so they probably would have been more efficient offensively there. 

There is a good chance that these moves would have taken the Clippers to the Western Conference Finals at the very least (quite probably the finals) for a run at a title, and all we wanted in return was two fringe-starters with upside and a late first rounder.  For the Clippers this was the ultimate bargain, but they were too greedy and wanted everything for nothing.

I absolutely applaud DA for standing strong on this.  We are so much better off letting Pierce and KG retire here (and letting $26M come off the books) than we are dumping them in return for another bad contract (Jordan) and a single late draft pick - two pieces that have little value to us either now or in the future.
Let's throw out KG's age at the moment.

Where is LA going to get a player that can average 15PPG, 8 RPG, 2 APG and 1 BPG and SPG during the regular season while having one of the best +/- in the league and who then goes into the playoffs and averages 13 PPG, 14 RPG. 3.5 APG and 1 SPG and BPG while playing some of the best defense in the league?

Most team would probably give up Jordan and a first rounder simply for a player like that, regardless of age. If that player was real young, probably a lot more than that.

This deal was excellent for the Clippers and Sterling's inability to spend money cost that franchise a real shot at a championship and probably sent a bad message out to free agents that want to sign there.

Re: Ainge is a Moron
« Reply #68 on: June 18, 2013, 08:23:15 PM »

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Firstly it wasn't Danny that walked away, it was the Clippers. Danny held firm (finally) at Jordan and 2 firsts. The Clippers decided to walk rather than continue to negotiate and try to get Danny to bend more.

He had already compromised hugely from his original demands (which were admittedly too high, but you always start high to give yourself room to come down).

So really what you are saying is that Danny should have just said screw it I will give you exactly what you want? No. Thats terrible.

Jordan is young and athletic, but extremely flawed and although he might develop he won't be worth the money he is getting paid. With the roster the Clippers would have assembled (especially since it would have clinched a long extension for CP3) those picks would have been virtually second rounders, but guaranteed. And at that point you might find a real steal, but more realistically its bench fodder.

DJ and 2 firsts won't help our rebuild along enough to give in so thoroughly to the Clippers' demands. We are better off taking some time and try to develop some better options. Maybe KG will waive his NTC for another team if given enough time to mull it over and the right situation.

At the end of the day Danny refused to be mugged, and the Clippers decided to walk away, Danny did the right thing by (finally) holding firm.

Re: Ainge is a Moron
« Reply #69 on: June 18, 2013, 09:00:04 PM »

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The person that started this thread is a moron.

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Re: Ainge is a Moron
« Reply #70 on: June 18, 2013, 09:12:57 PM »

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The person that started this thread is a moron.

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Re: Ainge is a Moron
« Reply #71 on: June 18, 2013, 09:26:14 PM »

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 The talks broke down Tuesday morning when the Clippers "refused to budge" on Boston's latest proposal that asked for DeAndre Jordan, straight up for Garnett, and two first-round draft picks as compensation for allowing Rivers out of the final three-years and $21 million of his contract.
 
 He's always trying to swindle the other team. Face it Danny KG is 37 years old if they would have gave up Jordan and Bledsoe Great, but they don't. WHY? Cause he's 37. Take Jordan and one first we have to rebuild. I'm not the biggest Jordan fan but he's 24 years old, one of the best shot blockers in the game, and we have nothing as far as NBA level size. No bigs Sully can rebound. I'll be really mad with Danny if he screwed this up.


Re: Ainge is a Moron
« Reply #72 on: June 18, 2013, 10:12:43 PM »

Offline Diggles

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I'm glad Danny passed on this particular offer.

Me too.  He made the smart play!  Trade deadline could net more to a team needing KG. 
Diggles

Re: Ainge is a Moron
« Reply #73 on: June 18, 2013, 10:41:02 PM »

Offline SHAQATTACK

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clippers really screwed up. .....KG is worth so much more than his aged skills with the ball

the intangibles and leadership and presence he brings .......all these things the clippers desperately need

Jordan is none of this ...... he is a one trick bench warming pony, he'll never be one tenth the player KG was age his age ,  KG at 40 will still be better for short bursts...cause he has many skills.


Those idiots in LA have no idea what they just did to set the franchise back in terms of respect and bringing great FA to their team

now they ll lose  CP3 ......

Re: Ainge is a Moron
« Reply #74 on: June 18, 2013, 10:44:57 PM »

Offline twistedrico14

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Hey man if you are gonna call Danny a "moron", all I am saying is you need to take a look in the mirror and also maybe get some knowledge because it seems like you are lacking.