The Celtic-Clipper trade talk (merged) - Clippers back out.

[Kane3387]

Rockets fan here, so basically the deal is essentially Deandre Jordan for Kevin Garnett?

Wouldn't a trade of Omer Asik and Thomas Robinson for KG be a better trade? Would KG waive his no trade clause to play for Kevin McHale?

Doubtful.

He really only has eyes for Doc at this point and he lives in Malibu so playing for the Clippers is ideal b/c it's close to home. The Clippers are the perfect storm for KG to want to leave Boston if Doc goes there.

Doc + playing near house and kids + playing with 2 superstars.

[esel1000]

Wouldn't a trade of Omer Asik and Thomas Robinson for KG be a better trade? Would KG waive his no trade clause to play for Kevin McHale?

#1. YES.  I think everyone here would take that in a heartbeat over the Clipper package.

#2. Maybe.  But the Rockets seem to have their sights set higher.  KG has probably 2 years at the most left and that's a pretty narrow window for such a young team to put it all together.

So much better than the Clipper deal... But I really don't see the Rockets doing that

[Chief Macho]

It's a sad day when KG is only worth DJ and that a championship pedigree coach is worth a late first rounder. Smh. I hope woj is wrong

no kidding.  what's the point of all this?  i really wish ainge would leave and let somebody new look at this thing. he's been at the steering wheel too long to see clearly.

The point is to move KG, Pierce, and Doc for assets who will help us in the future, since we're not winning a championship with this team.

Would you rather they simply retired?

(for the record, I'm still undecided about this. My brain says "no way, get something for them, let them play for a contender," but my emotions say "yes, retire them in green."

yeah,  i think i would just keep him and let him retire a celtic.  and i've been preaching to trade everyone since we lost to the heat.  i'm just shocked that the value has gotten to this low a level. i don't even really see jordon and a late pick as worth bothering about.  that's freaking fab melo territory.   

[CT32]

wojo is reporting ainge wants 2 first and isn't including lee or terry 

so the celtics aren't the more desperate team huh...

First, you are now changing your position because you initially said LAC had all the leverage and now you are simply saying the Cs want the deal merely more than the Clips.

Second, this is a better deal than recently identified because when you are rebuilding you want to tank and stockpile picks. So, this is actually Danny upping the ante from DAJ, Butler, and 1 pick...

First, what position did I change? my entire point was that the clipps are the team with the leverage and that the celtics are the ones that really need to get this deal done.

well, it's not really a better deal. those picks from the clips arent going to be worth much, and you don't shed the extra salary that you wanted.

[Kane3387]

Ughhhh did anybody read the new Woj article? It's not even for any additional salaries just DJ and two 1st round picks for Doc/KG smh

Just read it. Yeeesh.

DA is getting punked here, but I guess there really isn't much he can do.

If Boston really was willing to bring Doc back then DA would have some leverage, but that was clearly all talk (makes sense bc fences likely can't be mended in time) b/c the Clippers are dictating the terms of this deal now.

They're dumping salary and getting rid of two late round picks for arguably a top 2 coach and a Center who is the perfect compliment to Blake Griffin and was an All-Star last year.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Rockets fan here, so basically the deal is essentially Deandre Jordan for Kevin Garnett?

Wouldn't a trade of Omer Asik and Thomas Robinson for KG be a better trade? Would KG waive his no trade clause to play for Kevin McHale?

Can you do us all a favor and contact Darrel Morey about this? This is a deal that should be done thr minute it gets priposed.

TP

[PhoSita]

Ughhhh did anybody read the new Woj article? It's not even for any additional salaries just DJ and two 1st round picks for Doc/KG smh

Just read it. Yeeesh.

DA is getting punked here, but I guess there really isn't much he can do.

If Boston really was willing to bring Doc back then DA would have some leverage, but that was clearly all talk (makes sense bc fences likely can't be mended in time) b/c the Clippers are dictating the terms of this deal now.

They're dumping salary and getting rid of two late round picks for arguably a top 2 coach and a Center who is the perfect compliment to Blake Griffin and was an All-Star last year.

I think maybe the biggest issue here is Doc.

The Clippers know that the Celtics have very little leverage.  Doc isn't coming back at this point, and the team he wants to coach is the Clippers.

In this scenario we're a lot like the Nuggets being forced to trade Carmelo to NY.  Basically we have to be happy to get anything in return for him, and the other side knows it.

We either "trade" Doc to the Clippers, or we get nothing at all for him and let KG retire.

[Kane3387]

It's a sad day when KG is only worth DJ and that a championship pedigree coach is worth a late first rounder. Smh. I hope woj is wrong

no kidding.  what's the point of all this?  i really wish ainge would leave and let somebody new look at this thing. he's been at the steering wheel too long to see clearly.

The point is to move KG, Pierce, and Doc for assets who will help us in the future, since we're not winning a championship with this team.

Would you rather they simply retired?

(for the record, I'm still undecided about this. My brain says "no way, get something for them, let them play for a contender," but my emotions say "yes, retire them in green."

yeah,  i think i would just keep him and let him retire a celtic.  and i've been preaching to trade everyone since we lost to the heat.  i'm just shocked that the value has gotten to this low a level. i don't even really see jordon and a late pick as worth bothering about.  that's freaking fab melo territory.

Yeah I think we would be better off just being stubborn and prideful. I say Celtic Pride and tell them we aren't interested.

[Kane3387]

Ughhhh did anybody read the new Woj article? It's not even for any additional salaries just DJ and two 1st round picks for Doc/KG smh

Just read it. Yeeesh.

DA is getting punked here, but I guess there really isn't much he can do.

If Boston really was willing to bring Doc back then DA would have some leverage, but that was clearly all talk (makes sense bc fences likely can't be mended in time) b/c the Clippers are dictating the terms of this deal now.

They're dumping salary and getting rid of two late round picks for arguably a top 2 coach and a Center who is the perfect compliment to Blake Griffin and was an All-Star last year.

I think maybe the biggest issue here is Doc.

The Clippers know that the Celtics have very little leverage.  Doc isn't coming back at this point, and the team he wants to coach is the Clippers.

In this scenario we're a lot like the Nuggets being forced to trade Carmelo to NY.  Basically we have to be happy to get anything in return for him, and the other side knows it.

We either "trade" Doc to the Clippers, or we get nothing at all for him and let KG retire.

But are we getting enough here that we should let coaches and players dictate how we run things?

Personally I like the approach the Bengals did with Carson Palmer when they said, "you don't want to abide by your contract? then stay home and rot for the duration of it."

Eventually they got a great haul from a desperate team.

[PhoSita]

Ughhhh did anybody read the new Woj article? It's not even for any additional salaries just DJ and two 1st round picks for Doc/KG smh

Just read it. Yeeesh.

DA is getting punked here, but I guess there really isn't much he can do.

If Boston really was willing to bring Doc back then DA would have some leverage, but that was clearly all talk (makes sense bc fences likely can't be mended in time) b/c the Clippers are dictating the terms of this deal now.

They're dumping salary and getting rid of two late round picks for arguably a top 2 coach and a Center who is the perfect compliment to Blake Griffin and was an All-Star last year.

I think maybe the biggest issue here is Doc.

The Clippers know that the Celtics have very little leverage.  Doc isn't coming back at this point, and the team he wants to coach is the Clippers.

In this scenario we're a lot like the Nuggets being forced to trade Carmelo to NY.  Basically we have to be happy to get anything in return for him, and the other side knows it.

We either "trade" Doc to the Clippers, or we get nothing at all for him and let KG retire.

But are we getting enough here that we should let coaches and players dictate how we run things?

Personally I like the approach the Bengals did with Carson Palmer when they said, "you don't want to abide by your contract? then stay home and rot for the duration of it."

Eventually they got a great haul from a desperate team.

Carson Palmer was willing to play for any team that would start him, though.

KG is only going to play for Doc, and Doc only wants to coach the Clippers.  Unless some other contender with a vacant head coaching spot in a major market city with nice weather opens up . . . .

[goCeltics]

Rockets fan here, so basically the deal is essentially Deandre Jordan for Kevin Garnett?

Wouldn't a trade of Omer Asik and Thomas Robinson for KG be a better trade? Would KG waive his no trade clause to play for Kevin McHale?

yes please i would throw in a free swap of coaches, which you would need to get kg to waive his no trade clause

[hpantazo]

Ainge is getting punked here. He caved on Bledsoe, and now he's caving on the clippers taking Lee or Terry, and I predict he will cave on getting two first rounders instead of 1.

Ugh

[ClutchCitySaint]

BTW I love Kevin McHale as our coach. I know he's a Celtics legend so Rockets-Celtics have that connection. Also Morey worked for the Celtics too.

Sorry for yall's situation. At least yall still have a bonfide superstar in Rajon Rondo. Rockets fans had to go 5 years without a superstar.

[Kane3387]

Ughhhh did anybody read the new Woj article? It's not even for any additional salaries just DJ and two 1st round picks for Doc/KG smh

Just read it. Yeeesh.

DA is getting punked here, but I guess there really isn't much he can do.

If Boston really was willing to bring Doc back then DA would have some leverage, but that was clearly all talk (makes sense bc fences likely can't be mended in time) b/c the Clippers are dictating the terms of this deal now.

They're dumping salary and getting rid of two late round picks for arguably a top 2 coach and a Center who is the perfect compliment to Blake Griffin and was an All-Star last year.

I think maybe the biggest issue here is Doc.

The Clippers know that the Celtics have very little leverage.  Doc isn't coming back at this point, and the team he wants to coach is the Clippers.

In this scenario we're a lot like the Nuggets being forced to trade Carmelo to NY.  Basically we have to be happy to get anything in return for him, and the other side knows it.

We either "trade" Doc to the Clippers, or we get nothing at all for him and let KG retire.

But are we getting enough here that we should let coaches and players dictate how we run things?

Personally I like the approach the Bengals did with Carson Palmer when they said, "you don't want to abide by your contract? then stay home and rot for the duration of it."

Eventually they got a great haul from a desperate team.

Carson Palmer was willing to play for any team that would start him, though.

KG is only going to play for Doc, and Doc only wants to coach the Clippers.  Unless some other contender with a vacant head coaching spot in a major market city with nice weather opens up . . . .

I wouldn't even worry about KG... Doc is what the Clippers really want. It's just Doc wants KG.

Let KG retire. No more salary. Not his or Jordan's salary.

At some point Doc is going to want to coach again in the next three years and there will be suitors for him. As time goes it is only natural he will be more open to more teams. Then hopefully a little bidding war ensues and we get something worth having for him.

[D.o.s.]

It's a sad day when KG is only worth DJ and that a championship pedigree coach is worth a late first rounder. Smh. I hope woj is wrong

no kidding.  what's the point of all this?  i really wish ainge would leave and let somebody new look at this thing. he's been at the steering wheel too long to see clearly.

The point is to move KG, Pierce, and Doc for assets who will help us in the future, since we're not winning a championship with this team.

Would you rather they simply retired?

(for the record, I'm still undecided about this. My brain says "no way, get something for them, let them play for a contender," but my emotions say "yes, retire them in green."

Yes there's some benefit to them just retiring.  Theoretically you'd eventually have cap space... and at that point if you want to waste 10 million dollars a year on a player like DeAndre Jordan, I'm sure you'll have that opportunity.  Them retiring actually makes tanking easier... thus it's potentially a better solution.

Yeah, I'm far from stoked about the idea of DeAndre Jordan.

I'd like to see Pierce and KG retire, but I would hate to think they'd been railroaded into it.