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Re: Centers that Boston can target this summer via trade
« Reply #60 on: May 10, 2013, 10:01:56 PM »

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Are you capable of evaluating which player would be a better fit for the Celtics defense and more likely to earn Doc's trust in being able to play that system?

Havent quite figured out the formula for that yet but I'm working on it...

I've got your formula: "Not Demarcus Cousins."

Done.

Re: Centers that Boston can target this summer via trade
« Reply #61 on: May 10, 2013, 11:55:46 PM »

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Gortat is not a good as some people are making him seem.  He does not make us a contender.  He averaged 11 and 8.5 on a horrible team.  No way i give up bradley and a 16th for him

TOTALLY disagree. Just because he's averaged 11 and 8 on Phoenix tells me nothing about how well he'd play in Boston. And Avery Bradley? He was awful in the playoffs.

Celts need size a lot more than numerous guards. I'd take Gortat in a heartbeat.

Re: Centers that Boston can target this summer via trade
« Reply #62 on: May 11, 2013, 01:06:47 AM »

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Green for Varejao would be a terrifying but titillating risk. 

Varejao does almost everything the team needs - rebounds like a maniac, plays excellent D and creates easy buckets for himself and others with his energy. But the odds of him staying healthy don't seem good.

Green for Gortat's the safer option. Just a little wary of how much we'd have to pay to keep him.  Nor is he the all-around menace that Varejao can be when healthy. But you can get a lot of joy out of a Rondo/Gortat pairing offensively.  Love Gortat's ability to finish on the move.

we had a hard time scoring above 70 points in the playoffs , and you want to get rid of our best you scorer?

I would trade Bradley , maybe Sully  plus filler

It also took Jeff a lot of possessions to score all those points...
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Re: Centers that Boston can target this summer via trade
« Reply #63 on: May 11, 2013, 02:11:22 AM »

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Green for Varejao would be a terrifying but titillating risk. 

Varejao does almost everything the team needs - rebounds like a maniac, plays excellent D and creates easy buckets for himself and others with his energy. But the odds of him staying healthy don't seem good.

Green for Gortat's the safer option. Just a little wary of how much we'd have to pay to keep him.  Nor is he the all-around menace that Varejao can be when healthy. But you can get a lot of joy out of a Rondo/Gortat pairing offensively.  Love Gortat's ability to finish on the move.

we had a hard time scoring above 70 points in the playoffs , and you want to get rid of our best you scorer?

I would trade Bradley , maybe Sully  plus filler

It also took Jeff a lot of possessions to score all those points...

Not exactly.  The FG% dipped in the playoffs from the regular season, but he balanced that by getting to the line much more and hitting threes at a higher clip.  20 points on 14 shots is very solid in terms of efficiency. 

Re: Centers that Boston can target this summer via trade
« Reply #64 on: May 12, 2013, 03:21:37 PM »

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TP, good post.

What about Pekovic in Minnesota? He might also be a good fit. I'd 'love" to see him and KG playing together. That would be one tough duo.

Re: Centers that Boston can target this summer via trade
« Reply #65 on: May 12, 2013, 03:26:51 PM »

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TP, good post.

What about Pekovic in Minnesota? He might also be a good fit. I'd 'love" to see him and KG playing together. That would be one tough duo.

I doubt we can afford Pek. He's getting a big payday
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Re: Centers that Boston can target this summer via trade
« Reply #66 on: May 12, 2013, 03:45:19 PM »

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Gortat is not a good as some people are making him seem.  He does not make us a contender.  He averaged 11 and 8.5 on a horrible team.  No way i give up bradley and a 16th for him

I'd love to see what Gortat could do with Rondo.

Gortat averaged 15 and 10 (on 55% shooting) the last year Nash was in Phoenix. I think he could duplicate those numbers.

Also, the difference doesn't need to be made up by one guy, given the healthy returns of Rondo and Sullinger.

Rondo, Bradley, Terry, Lee, Pierce, Green, Sullinger, KG, Bass, and Gortat would be a terrific 10-man roster.

I'm a little confused here; who are we giving up to get Gortat?  The lineup you have basically includes all of our current players plus Gortat.

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« Reply #67 on: May 12, 2013, 04:27:24 PM »

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Here is one idea I came up with to possibly obtain Gortat.

Bos-In: Gortat
    Out: Bass, 2013 1st (#16)

Phx-In: Chandler, 2013 1st (#16)
    Out: Gortat

Den-In: Bass
    Out: Chandler

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ch6zxwa

Re: Centers that Boston can target this summer via trade
« Reply #68 on: May 12, 2013, 05:03:40 PM »

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Gortat is not a good as some people are making him seem.  He does not make us a contender.  He averaged 11 and 8.5 on a horrible team.  No way i give up bradley and a 16th for him

I'd love to see what Gortat could do with Rondo.

Gortat averaged 15 and 10 (on 55% shooting) the last year Nash was in Phoenix. I think he could duplicate those numbers.

Also, the difference doesn't need to be made up by one guy, given the healthy returns of Rondo and Sullinger.

Rondo, Bradley, Terry, Lee, Pierce, Green, Sullinger, KG, Bass, and Gortat would be a terrific 10-man roster.

I'm a little confused here; who are we giving up to get Gortat?  The lineup you have basically includes all of our current players plus Gortat.

I was musing whether Melo, Jordan Crawford, the rights to the 2013 1st rounder, and unguaranteed filler after July 1 would be enough to tempt Phoenix.

It would depend on a) how much Melo was a McDonough pick (and whether there's continued interest/belief in him) and b) how much Phoenix is interested in clearing cap space for next year. That trade could clear more than $4 million off their cap for 2013-14.
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Re: Centers that Boston can target this summer via trade
« Reply #69 on: May 12, 2013, 05:22:13 PM »

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Well we all know this team desperately needs size and although we're not landing Dwight Howard anytime soon I think there are some centers to be had around the NBA this summer.

1. Marcin Gortat: With PHX clearly in a rebuild and Gortat's contract expiring after this year, I think it is pretty [dang] certain that they move him before the deadline this year. The 29 year old averaged 11 points, 8.5 rebounds, and 1.6 blocks while shooting 52%. The Polish big man stands 6'11" 240 pounds and is fairly mobile for that size. With an annual salary of 7.2mill the contracts would not be difficult to match. A deal would certainly include at least one of Bradley and/or Sullinger. Would PHX accept a deal of Avery Bradley, Brandon Bass, and the 16th overall?

2. Anderson Varejao: similiar situation as PHX. With a rebuilding scenario the 29 year old center will likely be moved. Standing at 6'11" 260 pounds the Brazilian center put up a monster season last year with averages of 14 points and 14 rebounds. However, as is usually the case with Varejao, he put up those numbers by only appearing in 25 games and was finally outdone by a blood clot in his lung. Having only played in more than 80 games twice in his 9 year career injuries are always a concern when dealing with Varejao. With CLE being locked up at the PG, SG, and PF position the only player I can see them having interest in is Jeff Green. Does a swap of Jeff Green and Anderson Varejao interest CLE?

3. Demarcus Cousins: Perhaps the least likely scenario I knew somebody would bring it up if I left him off the list. A walking enigma at 6' 11" and 270 pounds Demarcus is still just 22 years old and oozes with talent and upside. With the tools to become possibly the best center in the NBA, all Demarcus seems to do is get in trouble. Suspended more than a couple times in last season alone many are wondering if his talent is worth the constant headache. Still being on his rookie contract, salaries are tough to match in a Demarcus deal. Most deals I've seen include virtually a swap of rosters and us becoming the Boston Kings and Savremento Celtics respectively. Any deal would certainly have to include our best player in Rondo. Does a deal of Rondo, Bradley, Sullinger, and two 1st round picks interest SAC?

4. Kosta Koufos: Somewhat of an under-the-radar type player Koufos is a blue collar center who stands at 7' 265 pounds and still just 24 years old. He may have approached his ceiling but with averages of 8 points, 6.9 rebounds, and 1.2 blocks in only 22 minutes a game Koufos would be a welcomed addition to any NBA team. With Denver committing over 44 million dollars in Javale McGee, Koufos is clearly not the center of the future in Denver. Despite starting nearly every game for Denver in the regular season, COY George Carl pulled Koufos from the starting line up in favor of McGee. On a very reasonable 3mill a year for 2 more years Koufos could be had without a large financial investment as this stage. Tough to tell who George Carl would have interest in but does a deal of Avery Bradley/filler contract interest DEN?

5. Ian Mahinmi: With Roy Hibbert locked down in IND, Mahinmi is destined to be a back up as long as he calls Indiana home. Standing at 6'11 230 lbs Mahinmi is known as a defensive specialist. With solid athleticism and an impressive wing span, Mahinmi is an ideal basket protector in the NBA. Fresh off of signing a 4 year/16 mill contract matching salaries would not be very difficult. With a glaring need at SG position, Courtney Lee may fit into IND defense first philosophy and offer them solid depth at the position. Would a deal of Courtney Lee/Fab Melo interest IND?


Thanks for the read guys! Tried to remain as unbiased as possible.

I do Rondo for Cousins and Evans. Rondo is on a great contract and can be a lure for other players for them. Evans does not seem to be part of their core future.

Id then draft Dennis Schroeder with our 16th pick. People also must remember that the Kings could concievaby draft Alex Len with their pick this year and really not lose that much.

They'd have Thompson, Rondo, Len (or Otto Porter) and really have a nice core.

We could do...

Schroeder
Evans
Green
Garnett
Cousins

Have Pierce come off the bench and trade bradley for a higher pick and take Shabazz as an impact scorer.

Sounds good to me




Re: Centers that Boston can target this summer via trade
« Reply #70 on: May 12, 2013, 05:26:25 PM »

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What a GREAT idea...trade one of the BEST point guards in the league..for a BIG...that the coach won't play.......think how cheap the tickets will be then...!!! Remember how kobe wanted rondo......

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« Reply #71 on: May 12, 2013, 05:27:47 PM »

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Jason Smith from NO. He has an expiring 2.5M contract and is playing behind Davis, Anderson, and Lopez along the frontline. They look like good trading partners for a Lee for Smith trade since they have cap space to absorb a larger contract and have the injury/potential trade uncertainty of Gordon.

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« Reply #72 on: May 12, 2013, 05:33:10 PM »

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What a GREAT idea...trade one of the BEST point guards in the league..for a BIG...that the coach won't play.......think how cheap the tickets will be then...!!! Remember how kobe wanted rondo......

Rondos value is highest now. He is also turning 28 and his game is not going to improve as his physical gifts wane...ie his speed and penetration. He is on a great contract and the Celtics wil not want to pay him the kind of money he will want in a couple years.

Its a predictable scenario.

Cousins is 22 and is starting centre material. He is actually a great reason to keep KG and Pierce to help mentor him into the Celtic culture. Doc will start Cousins everytime.

Can you tell me

Schroeder
Pierce
Green
KG / Sully
Cousins / FA

Isnt a better team than what we have now ? I'd do it in a heartbeat. Hell....Id do a one car motorcade if we had this lineup.

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« Reply #73 on: May 13, 2013, 04:41:24 AM »

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I`ll tell you only playoff Rondo is delivering this team past round 2 of the playoffs. That roster`ll just flatter to deceive. 
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« Reply #74 on: May 13, 2013, 07:20:49 AM »

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Rondos value is highest now. He is also turning 28 and his game is not going to improve as his physical gifts wane...ie his speed and penetration. He is on a great contract and the Celtics wil not want to pay him the kind of money he will want in a couple years.

Its a predictable scenario.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=64504.msg1458776;topicseen

There's a pretty darn good chain of arguments on this thread. Took me a couple tries to dig this up as I forgot where I saw this. 

It's got pretty good arguments for and against. Here's a very good chain of replies among a few others:

I mean he hasnt even entered his prime yet... Lets see what accomplishments he can add to his already mipressive resume in the next three, four and five years
He'll be 28 next season... coming off a major injury.  I just read he's 6-9 months away from even being able to run.  He might not even play next season.  Perhaps he returns for 2014-15 season at the age of 29.  His prime is over.

  The fact that you think a player's prime ends before they reach 30 is unsurprising.
Do you think D-Rose has yet to reach his prime?  He's only 24.  Already an MVP once.  The best is yet to come, right?

You are changing the argument here.  There's a chance that someone like Rose continues to improve, but considering how good he already is (and how good he was coming into the league), I doubt his ceiling is much higher than the level he was playing at before injuring his knee.

Back to Rondo, his chances of continuing to improve aren't much better than Rose's.  It took him a little longer to hit his NBA stride coming out of college.  He wasn't as good at 19 to 20 years old as Derrick Rose.  I don't think anyone will deny that.

However, for most top level NBA players, their prime playing years don't end until they are about 32 or 33 years of age.  Rondo just recently turned 27.  That means he's got 5 or 6 seasons of his prime left.  That's enough time to double up on what he's already accomplished and be a very solid hall of fame candidate. 

If he stays healthy, he could hang on for another four or five years after that.  His level of play will surely start to decline at some point during that stretch, but he'll be able to continue to rack up numbers that will add to resume.  Who knows, maybe he'll even get a late career, past his prime, but significant contributor title a la Jason Kidd?

If Danny can pull the right strings and somehow help get him one in the middle while he's still in his prime, then he's a lock.