Is Rajon Rondo a HoFer?

[Lucky17]

I mean he hasnt even entered his prime yet... Lets see what accomplishments he can add to his already mipressive resume in the next three, four and five years

He'll be 28 next season... coming off a major injury.  I just read he's 6-9 months away from even being able to run.  He might not even play next season.  Perhaps he returns for 2014-15 season at the age of 29.  His prime is over.

He's right where he should be in terms of a rehab schedule.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/227417/Rondo-On-Schedule-In-Early-Stages-Of-ACL-Recovery

Sure... 6-12 months ... which means there's a real chance (like Rose) he doesn't play at all next year.

6-12 months after the surgery. Which happened on Feb 13.

The pessimist/alarmist would say next season is in jeopardy.

The optimist would say he'll be there for the tail end of training camp.

I think the realist would simply wait until next year before offering prognostications.

[fairweatherfan]

Simmons puts Parker as the best international player the NBA has ever seen.

I'm not sure I can disagree.

There's a 7 foot German in Dallas who would disagree.

Dirk is more important for the evolution of the game, for sure--the three-making PF.

That said, Parker has had a much more successful career.

Um no.

Dirk in a land slide...really it's not even kinda close

Tony Parker has been second and third fiddle in his titles and won a finals MVP going up against the worst ever finals team.

Dirk won finals MVP as a top dog with an average roster around him against a good team, brought another average team to a finals appearance and has won league MVP

The worst finals team ever... I didn't realize he was in the league to play the 2002 Nets or the 2001 Sixers.

I think the Rockets team we beat in 1981 was worse than any of those squads, and there's probably some worse team from the 50s or 60s too.

[nickagneta]

Simmons puts Parker as the best international player the NBA has ever seen.

I'm not sure I can disagree.

There's a 7 foot German in Dallas who would disagree.

Dirk is more important for the evolution of the game, for sure--the three-making PF.

That said, Parker has had a much more successful career.

Um no.

Dirk in a land slide...really it's not even kinda close

Tony Parker has been second and third fiddle in his titles and won a finals MVP going up against the worst ever finals team.

Dirk won finals MVP as a top dog with an average roster around him against a good team, brought another average team to a finals appearance and has won league MVP

The worst finals team ever... I didn't realize he was in the league to play the 2002 Nets or the 2001 Sixers.

I think the Rockets team we beat in 1981 was worse than any of those squads, and there's probably some worse team from the 50s or 60s too.

Don't say that to Moses Malone. I think he has 4 friends that would disagree as well.

[RebusRankin]

Dirk Nowitzki is the best international player of all time.

I'd personally argue that there is this point guard from Canada who won 2 MVPs who's number two.

Tony can take number three unless you'd like to put Sabonis abd Petrovic ahead of him.

[CelticConcourse]

Everyone missing Tim Duncan, who is considered by the NBA as an international player.

By far.

[D.o.s.]

Everyone missing Tim Duncan, who is considered by the NBA as an international player.

By far.

He has a US citizenship, though.

[BballTim]

No.  Definitely not.  Maybe some day if he improves and has a lengthy and successful career without KG and Pierce.

I think in 3-4 years, he'll definitely be a lock.

The Rondo from 2006-2009 is alot different from the Rondo of 2010-2013.

I still don't get why people doubt Rondo. He can take over games even if his shooting ability is rather weak for a point guard.

The Rondo of 2014 will be recovering from a major injury and possibly not even playing a single game... when he does return, he'll return to a team likely devoid of Pierce and KG... and very likely lotto bound with or without his help.

  That would ironically give a big boost to his HOF chances. Big boost to his regular season numbers and he's already enjoyed as much postseason success as his contemporaries may in their careers.

Yes... Rondo leading a team indefinitely in the lottery will probably average some hefty John Wall-esque numbers.

  I'm sure the irony of how you tout John Wall over Rondo because Wall puts up some hefty numbers on a lottery team is lost on you.

[CelticConcourse]

Everyone missing Tim Duncan, who is considered by the NBA as an international player.

By far.

He has a US citizenship, though.

The league defines an "international player" specifically as one born outside the 50 United States or the District of Columbia.

[BballTim]

I mean he hasnt even entered his prime yet... Lets see what accomplishments he can add to his already mipressive resume in the next three, four and five years

He'll be 28 next season... coming off a major injury.  I just read he's 6-9 months away from even being able to run.  He might not even play next season.  Perhaps he returns for 2014-15 season at the age of 29.  His prime is over.

  The fact that you think a player's prime ends before they reach 30 is unsurprising.

[nickagneta]

Wanted to say that Rondo hasn't done enough to warrant the HOF, yet. But if comes back and leads the league in assists a bunch more times and the league in steals a few more times, then its possible.

I think the flux of great PGs coming into the league should make it more difficult for PGs from this generation to make it into the HOF, so numbers will matter when looking back and so will titles. Rondo has and was a major contributor to that title. Many of the all-time great PGs can't say that. I think that will be a plus when he is judged against his peers.

[crimson_stallion]

No...

But he could be one day if he continues to improve and if he proves himself capable of truly leading a team.  Right now he is the leader by title, but Pierce and KG are still very much the leaders by example.
 
Rondo's individual spotlight begins when KG and PP retire.  That's when the attention entirely shifts on to him, and he gets to prove that he can lead a team without two future HOF vets watching over him.

He certainly has the talent to one day become a Hall of Famer and I'd go so far as to even say one of the greatest PG's to ever play the game...but it depends on his attitude, his development and his longevity.

[LarBrd33]

I mean he hasnt even entered his prime yet... Lets see what accomplishments he can add to his already mipressive resume in the next three, four and five years

He'll be 28 next season... coming off a major injury.  I just read he's 6-9 months away from even being able to run.  He might not even play next season.  Perhaps he returns for 2014-15 season at the age of 29.  His prime is over.

  The fact that you think a player's prime ends before they reach 30 is unsurprising.

Do you think D-Rose has yet to reach his prime?  He's only 24.  Already an MVP once.  The best is yet to come, right?

[fairweatherfan]

Everyone missing Tim Duncan, who is considered by the NBA as an international player.

By far.

Duncan is a gray area, so I understand that.  But the fact that this post marks the first appearance of the word "Olajuwon" is mind-boggling.


EDIT: Unless "international" means coming directly from another country to the NBA.  In which case Duncan, Olajuwon, and Nash are all out.

[BASS_THUMPER]

rondo gotta put his time in
put in work
im sure he knows that

[mmmmm]

Is this thread for real?

Its a question? This forum was created to debate certain topics. I created this thread, because of all the recent Rondo bashing, so I wanted to know what people thought about Rondo potentially being a HoFer.

He's got half of his career left, and has been a role player for half of the completed half. What do you think?

Hmm... since the 2008 playoffs, Rondo assisted at least 36% of all shots for the C's when on the floor.   And he was on the floor a LOT.   Actually, as of the 2008-2009 season, that number was never less than 39% and often much higher (both regular season AND playoffs).

Hard to justify the description of him as a 'role player' in the face of those numbers.

"Role player" come in different shapes and sizes. Not every role player is Bruce Bowen, who played defense and camped in the corner for the short three.

In 2009, Rondo was still supporting cast to Pierce, Allen and Garnett. But in a land where peopel seriously discuss Jason Terry as a potential hall of famer, one can sure jump the gun on Rondo, too.

So basically, you get to move the goal posts.

I've never claimed anywhere that Rondo is or isn't a "Hall of Famer".  All I know is that Rondo played the 3rd most minutes of any Celtic in 2008-2009 and dished out an assist for 2 out of every 5 baskets the Celtics made while he was on the floor.  During that seasons's playoffs, Rondo averaged 9.8 assists and 16.9 points per game - basically responsible for creating over 38 points of offense each game.

That doesn't sound like 'role player' to me.   

Apparently you have different standards.

Whatever.