2011 CB Historical Draft - Draft Thread

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Wilt will school Hakeem and Kareem. Wilt schooled everybody and on my team he has McHale, a luxery he didn't have while playing.

Wilt also never played against a player as offensively gifted as Hakeem. A luxury he did have.

Eh, Kareem?

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I'll still contest that I don't think Ben Wallace can pay anything but spot minutes in this format.

Isn't fourth/fifth (matchup dependent) big man off the bench spot minutes?

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Wilt will school Hakeem and Kareem. Wilt schooled everybody and on my team he has McHale, a luxery he didn't have while playing.

Wilt also never played against a player as offensively gifted as Hakeem. A luxury he did have.

Eh, Kareem?

You put Kareem's offensive skills on the same level at Hakeem's?

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I'll still contest that I don't think Ben Wallace can pay anything but spot minutes in this format.

Isn't fourth/fifth (matchup dependent) big man off the bench spot minutes?

My own definition of 'spot minutes' is what Von Wafer had this season. 5 minutes here and there, but not consistently.

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Or if Big Ben still didn't have the size, I'd trot out Elton Brand, who had the physical size and athleticism to keep Moses at bay.

That is a funny line -- way too much credit to Brand's defense and nowhere near enough credit to Moses Malone two time MVP's brilliance.

Moses Malone would slaughter Elton Brand. Bloody murder.

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Wilt will school Hakeem and Kareem. Wilt schooled everybody and on my team he has McHale, a luxery he didn't have while playing.

But who plays Hakeem on the other end? And how do you think they fare?

Wilt. Don't forget Wilt was a premier defender and in the twilight of his career, he helped LA beat Milwaukee in the play-offs, limiting the at his peak Kareem, who in my mind is the equal of Hakeem.

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Wilt will school Hakeem and Kareem. Wilt schooled everybody and on my team he has McHale, a luxery he didn't have while playing.

Wilt also never played against a player as offensively gifted as Hakeem. A luxury he did have.

Eh, Kareem?

You put Kareem's offensive skills on the same level at Hakeem's?

Ahead of Hakeem

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Wilt will school Hakeem and Kareem. Wilt schooled everybody and on my team he has McHale, a luxery he didn't have while playing.

Wilt also never played against a player as offensively gifted as Hakeem. A luxury he did have.

Eh, Kareem?

You put Kareem's offensive skills on the same level at Hakeem's?

Absolutely.

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Wilt will school Hakeem and Kareem. Wilt schooled everybody and on my team he has McHale, a luxery he didn't have while playing.

Wilt also never played against a player as offensively gifted as Hakeem. A luxury he did have.

Shaq will take all three, none of them has the mass to take care of shaq.  and back in the day shaq was also pretty quick

Wilt was Shaq with better skills.

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And for Moses' size? I have Ben Wallace.

There's just no way that works.

The amount that Wallace could "limit" Moses doesn't come anywhere near enough to make up for the discrepancy between what Wallace can bring to your offensively and what Moses will.

Ben Wallace bring things offensively? Does he role out the balls?

Sure it works - just in the same way that many of us here gave Perk much props for keeping Dwight Howard from his sweet spots.

Ben Wallace was just that strong. I have no doubt in my mind that his size and strength coupled with his athleticism, would create problems for Moses.

And my team could very well cover up for Ben Wallace's offensive issues...Ben would play PF in a matchup with Moses in this setting, and Kareem (or KG) would guard McAdoo.

Or if Big Ben still didn't have the size, I'd trot out Elton Brand, who had the physical size and athleticism to keep Moses at bay.

Plus - with Elton Brand, Moses would have to work defensively. Elton was a Beast on the blocks for many years in Clipperland.

Granted, I've never seen Moses Malone play an entire game of basketball, but I have seen lots of Elton Brand and Ben Wallace games..and it occurs to me in the same way that it occurs to me with the Charles Barkley debates..if it was that easy to limit or counter-act Moses Malone..wouldn't people have tried that to a sufficient end?

Moses Malone played the majority of prime during a physical era of basketball with modern-era level athletes (a claim neither Kareem, Wilt, or Russell can make), and during that time he managed to average 24.5 points and 13.6 rebounds while shooting roughly 50% from the field.

But I thought that we were doing away with conventional wisdom for this draft.

And looking at Wilt, Kareem or Russell...as far as their skillsets - you'd have to agree that they could compete and in many cases dominate, even today. Even in the late 80's or 90's.

Don't forget that Kareem played in the same era as Bill Walton, Nate Thurmond, etc...all GREAT Centers.

Wilt alone was nearly as physically strong as Shaq...just a mountain of a man.

Kareem's skyhook was money even into the late 80s. Not many could stop him from scoring.

Bill Rusell? He had the intelligence, timing and athleticism to compete today, too.

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Wilt will school Hakeem and Kareem. Wilt schooled everybody and on my team he has McHale, a luxery he didn't have while playing.

But who plays Hakeem on the other end? And how do you think they fare?

Wilt. Don't forget Wilt was a premier defender and in the twilight of his career, he helped LA beat Milwaukee in the play-offs, limiting the at his peak Kareem, who in my mind is the equal of Hakeem.

Wilt also lost to Kareem.

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Wilt will school Hakeem and Kareem. Wilt schooled everybody and on my team he has McHale, a luxery he didn't have while playing.

But who plays Hakeem on the other end? And how do you think they fare?

Wilt. Don't forget Wilt was a premier defender and in the twilight of his career, he helped LA beat Milwaukee in the play-offs, limiting the at his peak Kareem, who in my mind is the equal of Hakeem.

Wilt also lost to Kareem.

Wilt took two out of three.

So with Seattle, how does Cowens guard McHale? LA, is Ben Wallace going to guard McHale?

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Or if Big Ben still didn't have the size, I'd trot out Elton Brand, who had the physical size and athleticism to keep Moses at bay.

That is a funny line -- way too much credit to Brand's defense and nowhere near enough credit to Moses Malone two time MVP's brilliance.

Moses Malone would slaughter Elton Brand. Bloody murder.

O'Neal would be his best defender on the bench for a player like Moses.

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Or if Big Ben still didn't have the size, I'd trot out Elton Brand, who had the physical size and athleticism to keep Moses at bay.

That is a funny line -- way too much credit to Brand's defense and nowhere near enough credit to Moses Malone two time MVP's brilliance.

Moses Malone would slaughter Elton Brand. Bloody murder.

lol...it wouldn't be that bad.

I don't think that Elton Brand gets enough credit for playing in Clipperland.

Elton Brand used his size well and was very nimble and effective around the basket.

Was never afraid to mix it up, unlike today's Bigs.

Blake Griffin can run and dunk and he's the next Great Thing, lol....he hasn't gotten dirty like Elton did.

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Wilt will school Hakeem and Kareem. Wilt schooled everybody and on my team he has McHale, a luxery he didn't have while playing.

But who plays Hakeem on the other end? And how do you think they fare?

Wilt. Don't forget Wilt was a premier defender and in the twilight of his career, he helped LA beat Milwaukee in the play-offs, limiting the at his peak Kareem, who in my mind is the equal of Hakeem.

Wilt also lost to Kareem.

Wilt took two out of three.

Huh? They only met twice in the playoffs.