2011 CB Historical Draft - Draft Thread

[KCattheStripe]

God that show was average. What's hilarious is if you go back and watch Sportsnight you see how many plotthreads/ character nuances Sorkin recycles.

I actually just finished re-watching it on netflix about a month after going through Studio 60. There's certainly a lot of reused stuff, but I still loved Sports Night. I thought the two anchors had a great dynamic between them "on" and "off" camera.

God that show was average. What's hilarious is if you go back and watch Sportsnight you see how many plotthreads/ character nuances Sorkin recycles.

I actually just finished re-watching it on netflix about a month after going through Studio 60. There's certainly a lot of reused stuff, but I still loved Sports Night. I thought the two anchors had a great dynamic between them "on" and "off" camera.

I liked Studio 60, but I hate how everytime Aaron Sorkin does anything, people act like he's back like Jordan, wearing the 45.

Not to play games with you, but to aim at you, proll maim you.

And if Aaron Sorkin owes you he's blowin you to smitherins.

So that's what Charlie Wilson's War was about?

[Moranis]

I firmly believe the Memphis Grizzlies are the most complete team.  Superb mix of offense and defense in the starting unit and what every team needs on its bench, whether it is lock down defense, highly efficient scoring machines, elite level rebounding, and solid all around players capable of starting.  No team has the overall mix and versatility of the Memphis Grizzlies.

How do you see yourself defending against the Shaq's of the league? The Hakeems, or Chamberlains?

Or the Kareems?

Moses and Kareem went head to head a lot and Moses almost always won that battle.  Now granted it wasn't Kareem from 70-71, but first hand experience does certainly play a bit of factor.  Heck he even took the Rockets to the finals and past the Lakers in 80-81 when Calvin Murphy was the second best player on his team and he easily outperformed Kareem in the 83 Finals in which the Sixers won the title.

I think Moses is getting underestimated a great deal here.  He was a superb all around center and certainly has the size to match up with the all time greats.  You aren't a 3 time MVP without being good and he wasn't on the 1st team All Defense in 82-83 because he was a crappy defender.  

In fact one could certainly argue that the 1982-1983 season for Moses Malone is the season that has the most awards in the entire game as Moses was the Regular Season MVP, Finals MVP, 1st Team All NBA, 1st team All Defense, got 3 player of the month awards, and of course an All Star.  There are very few players in this game that had all of that working in one season.  

[KCattheStripe]

In fact one could certainly argue that the 1982-1983 season for Moses Malone is the season that has the most awards in the entire game as Moses was the Regular Season MVP, Finals MVP, 1st Team All NBA, 1st team All Defense, got 3 player of the month awards, and of course an All Star.  There are very few players in this game that had all of that working in one season.  

Hakeem can!

[StartOrien]

I liked Studio 60, but I hate how everytime Aaron Sorkin does anything, people act like he's back like Jordan, wearing the 45.

Not to play games with you, but to aim at you, proll maim you.

And if Aaron Sorkin owes you he's blowin you to smitherins.

Last way off topic Sorkin comment out of me:

I think the praise is because what he was doing was so different from other things that were out there that people ended up overrating him. Once you get past, or used to the quirks you come a little down on the praise.

It's a different genre completely, but I always thought Family Guy was the same way.

Both really good shows, but I think the initial reactions were unwarranted (even if I was guilty both times)

[GreenFaith1819]

I firmly believe the Memphis Grizzlies are the most complete team.  Superb mix of offense and defense in the starting unit and what every team needs on its bench, whether it is lock down defense, highly efficient scoring machines, elite level rebounding, and solid all around players capable of starting.  No team has the overall mix and versatility of the Memphis Grizzlies.

How do you see yourself defending against the Shaq's of the league? The Hakeems, or Chamberlains?

Or the Kareems?

One thing that is pretty shocking: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=abdulka01&p2=malonmo01

I know that's gotta be wrong. How did Moses Malone and Kareem not play each other once between 1976 and 1986??

85-86 seems to be the first year Basketball-Reference offers a game log.

Very interesting....I'd say it was roughly a wash for Kareem vs Moses, with the exception of rebounds. I'd say that Moses' size probably caused Kareem some problems.

Hakeem vs Kareem? Another wash, IMO:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=abdulka01&p2=olajuha01

What I'm proud of is that Kareem was well into his latter years vs both of these two.

Now....the 70-71 Kareem? I'd say he'd be an even tougher matchup for both Moses and Hakeem.

Let's not forget that with Hakeem - he had a lot of help for Kareem from Ralph Sampson, especially in 86'.

And for Moses' size? I have Ben Wallace.

For Hakeem's quickness? I have 03-04 KG.

[StartOrien]

And for Moses' size? I have Ben Wallace.

There's just no way that works.

[KCattheStripe]

I liked Studio 60, but I hate how everytime Aaron Sorkin does anything, people act like he's back like Jordan, wearing the 45.

Not to play games with you, but to aim at you, proll maim you.

And if Aaron Sorkin owes you he's blowin you to smitherins.

Last way off topic Sorkin comment out of me:

I think the praise is because what he was doing was so different from other things that were out there that people ended up overrating him. Once you get past, or used to the quirks you come a little down on the praise.

It's a different genre completely, but I always thought Family Guy was the same way.

Both really good shows, but I think the initial reactions were unwarranted (even if I was guilty both times)

Season 3 of the West Wing is a Season I put up there with any season of any other show.

[indeedproceed]

I liked Studio 60, but I hate how everytime Aaron Sorkin does anything, people act like he's back like Jordan, wearing the 45.

Not to play games with you, but to aim at you, proll maim you.

And if Aaron Sorkin owes you he's blowin you to smitherins.

Last way off topic Sorkin comment out of me:

I think the praise is because what he was doing was so different from other things that were out there that people ended up overrating him. Once you get past, or used to the quirks you come a little down on the praise.

It's a different genre completely, but I always thought Family Guy was the same way.

Both really good shows, but I think the initial reactions were unwarranted (even if I was guilty both times)

Season 3 of the West Wing is a Season I put up there with any season of any other show.

I've never watched The West Wing.

Although, I am almost done with season 2 of Carnivale, so I'm gonna need a new addiction soon.

[StartOrien]

And for Moses' size? I have Ben Wallace.

There's just no way that works.

The amount that Wallace could "limit" Moses doesn't come anywhere near enough to make up for the discrepancy between what Wallace can bring to your offensive and what Moses will bring to his

[Donoghus]

And for Moses' size? I have Ben Wallace.

There's just no way that works.

Moses will tune up Ben Wallace.

[KCattheStripe]

And for Moses' size? I have Ben Wallace.

There's just no way that works.

The amount that Wallace could "limit" Moses doesn't come anywhere near enough to make up for the discrepancy between what Wallace can bring to your offensively and what Moses will.

Ben Wallace bring things offensively? Does he roll out the balls?

[RebusRankin]

Wilt will school Hakeem and Kareem. Wilt schooled everybody and on my team he has McHale, a luxery he didn't have while playing.

[indeedproceed]

Wilt will school Hakeem and Kareem. Wilt schooled everybody and on my team he has McHale, a luxery he didn't have while playing.

Wilt also never played against a player as offensively gifted as Hakeem. A luxury he did have.

[StartOrien]

Wilt will school Hakeem and Kareem. Wilt schooled everybody and on my team he has McHale, a luxery he didn't have while playing.

But who plays Hakeem on the other end? And how do you think they fare?

[Rondo2287]

Wilt will school Hakeem and Kareem. Wilt schooled everybody and on my team he has McHale, a luxery he didn't have while playing.

Wilt also never played against a player as offensively gifted as Hakeem. A luxury he did have.

Shaq will take all three, none of them has the mass to take care of shaq.  and back in the day shaq was also pretty quick