2011 CB Historical Draft - Draft Thread

[Fafnir]

Looking over it quickly now that the teams are done, in my view Memphis, Philly, Chicago, and Portland are the ones that jump out at me.

I'l be interested to see when I can read all of the team break downs if my opinions change. Especially when we look at minute allocations, because there is so much talent that simple line up issues can knock teams down in my books or boost them up.

[Redz]

Toying with this idea:

Starters:

PF - Chris Webber
SF - Larry Bird
C - David Robinson
PG - Tiny Archibald
SG - Sidney Moncrief

2nd Unit
PF - Nate Thurmond
SG - Sam Jones/Andrew Toney/Paul Westphaul
PG - Brandon Roy
C-   Yao Ming
SF - Bernard King/George Yardley

Moving Webber to the starting lineup and Thurmond to the bench gives me a strong defensive presence off the bench and takes some pressure of Yao.  Not sure how I feel aboyt Moncrief vs Sam in the starting lineup but my gut is telling me Sam would be needed more with the 2nd unit. The idea of Bird and Webber feeding off each other in the frontcourt is very enticing.  The passing would be tremendous. 

[mgent]

1. Philly
2. Portland
3. Denver
4. Seattle
5. Memphis
6. Chicago
7. LA
8. Miami
9. Indiana
10. Dallas
11. Boston
12. Atlanta

My rankings likely won't change depending on years.

[Who]

Question:

Do other people agree with Edgar that Barkley would struggle against the bigs? I thought he had showed enough throughout his career that he could score on just about anyone.

Not in terms of offense or rebounding ... but defensively? Yeah, I do.

[StartOrien]

Question:

Do other people agree with Edgar that Barkley would struggle against the bigs? I thought he had showed enough throughout his career that he could score on just about anyone.

Not in terms of offense or rebounding ... but defensively? Yeah, I do.

Even despite the fact that Charles Barkley is 31st on the all time defensive win share list?

[Who]

Question:

Do other people agree with Edgar that Barkley would struggle against the bigs? I thought he had showed enough throughout his career that he could score on just about anyone.

Not in terms of offense or rebounding ... but defensively? Yeah, I do.

Even despite the fact that Charles Barkley is 31st on the all time defensive win share list?

Yeah

[Moranis]

Question:

Do other people agree with Edgar that Barkley would struggle against the bigs? I thought he had showed enough throughout his career that he could score on just about anyone.

Not in terms of offense or rebounding ... but defensively? Yeah, I do.

Even despite the fact that Charles Barkley is 31st on the all time defensive win share list?

that is because he played a long time on a lot of teams that won a lot of games.  Win Shares are not indicative of anything more then how good your team is.  Barkley's career DRTG is 105, which isn't very good.  He was never below 100 at any time in his career.  

[indeedproceed]

Question:

Do other people agree with Edgar that Barkley would struggle against the bigs? I thought he had showed enough throughout his career that he could score on just about anyone.

Not in terms of offense or rebounding ... but defensively? Yeah, I do.

Even despite the fact that Charles Barkley is 31st on the all time defensive win share list?

that is because he played a long time on a lot of teams that won a lot of games.  Win Shares are not indicative of anything more then how good your team is.  Barkley's career DRTG is 105, which isn't very good.  He was never below 100 at any time in his career. 

But I think the real question is not "Will Barkley be a defensive liability" anymore than that is a question with Dirk. I think the real question with those guys (among others) is more

"Will what they're bringing to the table in other areas of the game be enough to compensate for any defensive deficiencies they're allowing?"

With Barkley and Dirk I think that's a solid 'Yes', especially considering the supporting casts around both players.

[GreenFaith1819]

Are we placing our team writeups in a separate place? So far I have the profile posted, but I have another page or so worth of writeups as well.

[indeedproceed]

Are we placing our team writeups in a separate place? So far I have the profile posted, but I have another page or so worth of writeups as well.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=48370.msg1018634;topicseen#new

[Who]

Are we placing our team writeups in a separate place? So far I have the profile posted, but I have another page or so worth of writeups as well.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=48370.msg1018634;topicseen#new

Is that thread just for team owner's writeups + questions? Or is it okay to add on a few comments on various team(s) and/or individual players?

Or should that be kept here and leave the other thread to owners to explain their teams?

[StartOrien]

Question:

Do other people agree with Edgar that Barkley would struggle against the bigs? I thought he had showed enough throughout his career that he could score on just about anyone.

Not in terms of offense or rebounding ... but defensively? Yeah, I do.

Even despite the fact that Charles Barkley is 31st on the all time defensive win share list?

that is because he played a long time on a lot of teams that won a lot of games.  Win Shares are not indicative of anything more then how good your team is.  Barkley's career DRTG is 105, which isn't very good.  He was never below 100 at any time in his career. 

But I think the real question is not "Will Barkley be a defensive liability" anymore than that is a question with Dirk. I think the real question with those guys (among others) is more

"Will what they're bringing to the table in other areas of the game be enough to compensate for any defensive deficiencies they're allowing?"

With Barkley and Dirk I think that's a solid 'Yes', especially considering the supporting casts around both players.

I'm struggling to word this right but I'll give it a try:

I think the advantages Barkley creates because of his speed and my team's pace outweigh the disadvantages he may have defensively.

[StartOrien]

Are we placing our team writeups in a separate place? So far I have the profile posted, but I have another page or so worth of writeups as well.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=48370.msg1018634;topicseen#new

Is that thread just for team owner's writeups + questions? Or is it okay to add on a few comments on various team(s) and/or individual players?

Or should that be kept here and leave the other thread to owners to explain their teams?

I think Nick wants the questions to be posted there, but only after each teams writeup was posted.

[Who]

Question:

Do other people agree with Edgar that Barkley would struggle against the bigs? I thought he had showed enough throughout his career that he could score on just about anyone.

Not in terms of offense or rebounding ... but defensively? Yeah, I do.

Even despite the fact that Charles Barkley is 31st on the all time defensive win share list?

that is because he played a long time on a lot of teams that won a lot of games.  Win Shares are not indicative of anything more then how good your team is.  Barkley's career DRTG is 105, which isn't very good.  He was never below 100 at any time in his career. 

But I think the real question is not "Will Barkley be a defensive liability" anymore than that is a question with Dirk. I think the real question with those guys (among others) is more

"Will what they're bringing to the table in other areas of the game be enough to compensate for any defensive deficiencies they're allowing?"

With Barkley and Dirk I think that's a solid 'Yes', especially considering the supporting casts around both players.

I'm struggling to word this right but I'll give it a try:

I think the advantages Barkley creates because of his speed and my team's pace outweigh the disadvantages he may have defensively.

Absolutely agree

[StartOrien]

The best part of this draft is how much easier it is to write a write up. Don't really need to scower the internet for quotes explaining why I think Bill Russell will be a good anchor for my team.