Should have Ibaka or Harden over Green

[kn 99]

 I would not have minded getting Ibaka, since he is basicly a younger perk, WITHOUT KNEE PROBLEMS. It would be interesting to see Ibaka play with J.O. or maybe even K.G. It realy all goes back to the whole spreading out the floor thing for rondo

[kozlodoev]

I would not have minded getting Ibaka, since he is basicly a younger perk, WITHOUT KNEE PROBLEMS. It would be interesting to see Ibaka play with J.O. or maybe even K.G. It realy all goes back to the whole spreading out the floor thing for rondo

Ibaka is nothing like Perk.

[heyvik]

Here's a very good one for each of you?

Would have rather Nick Collison than Nenad Kristic?

I think Collison has more toughness to him than Nenad. Anyone else agree?

[kozlodoev]

Here's a very good one for each of you?

Would have rather Nick Collison than Nenad Kristic?

I think Collison has more toughness to him than Nenad. Anyone else agree?

This discussion is a bit pointless, given that it is likely neither Krstic, nor Ibaka, nor Harden were available in this trade.

[droopdog7]

there's a reason that green was available over ibaka and harden.
The other two have more upside, are younger, cheaper, better, and have more definable NBA roles.

100% incorrect. They threw in Jeff Green because we ASKED for him AND because they have Kevin Durant to fill the 3 spot.
It makes me laugh reading a statement like ' Harden has more upside than Jeff Green'. Seriously what a joke.
The way people imagine things to justify their position on the trade on this board sometimes just blows my mind.

Wait, you think they would have given us Ibaka if we asked for him? hahahahhaha

Champber is 100% correct.  Jeff Green, while struggling here, is absolutely a better player than Harden and overall, a better player than Ibaka too.

This thread, and the posters agreeing with it, have no idea what they are talking about.  Besides, we would not have asked for Ibaka anyway because he doesn't fill a need.

[Donoghus]

there's a reason that green was available over ibaka and harden.
The other two have more upside, are younger, cheaper, better, and have more definable NBA roles.

100% incorrect. They threw in Jeff Green because we ASKED for him AND because they have Kevin Durant to fill the 3 spot.
It makes me laugh reading a statement like ' Harden has more upside than Jeff Green'. Seriously what a joke.
The way people imagine things to justify their position on the trade on this board sometimes just blows my mind.

Wait, you think they would have given us Ibaka if we asked for him? hahahahhaha

Champber is 100% correct.  Jeff Green, while struggling here, is absolutely a better player than Harden and overall, a better player than Ibaka too.

This thread, and the posters agreeing with it, have no idea what they are talking about.  Besides, we would not have asked for Ibaka anyway because he doesn't fill a need.

Nor would OKC ever have given him up in a trade with us.

[droopdog7]

there's a reason that green was available over ibaka and harden.
The other two have more upside, are younger, cheaper, better, and have more definable NBA roles.

100% incorrect. They threw in Jeff Green because we ASKED for him AND because they have Kevin Durant to fill the 3 spot.
It makes me laugh reading a statement like ' Harden has more upside than Jeff Green'. Seriously what a joke.
The way people imagine things to justify their position on the trade on this board sometimes just blows my mind.

Wait, you think they would have given us Ibaka if we asked for him? hahahahhaha

Champber is 100% correct.  Jeff Green, while struggling here, is absolutely a better player than Harden and overall, a better player than Ibaka too.

This thread, and the posters agreeing with it, have no idea what they are talking about.  Besides, we would not have asked for Ibaka anyway because he doesn't fill a need.

Nor would OKC ever have given him up in a trade with us.

If it was just about talent, then I think they would have.  But they, just like us, had a plan.  We needed a back up 3 and they had one playing out of position behind one of the best players in the league.

They wanted a true center, and we had one coming off major surgery that we felt was expendable.  The match was perfect.

But if our needs were different, I would think they would have traded Ibaka for perk.  I mean, think about it for a second.  As a fan, how many of us would have thought of that as a lopsided trade in OKC's favor two months ago?  I would think every celtic fan would have screamed at the top of their lungs not to do that trade.

[Chris]

The reason you are making this post is the same reason we don't have Harden or Ibaka...they are too good and valuable.  Teams as good as the C's and OKC do not trade players that they believe are crucial to their teams success now and in the future, they trade players that they believe are expendable on their team.

Danny felt Perk was expendable (right or wrong), and Presti thought Green was expendable.  Presti wouldn't have discussed Ibaka or Harden for the same reason Danny wouldn't have discussed Rondo or Pierce.  He new they were keys to their teams success. 

BTW, I think Presti definitely deserves credit for that on Harden (I think everyone knew Ibaka was close to untouchable by that point).  Harden had really been kind of a bit player on the team, but Presti knew how good he could be once he got his shot...and he was right. 

[td450]

I put Ibaka as the 6th most valuable big man under 30 in the game (behind Howard, Griffin, Stoudemire, Bosh and Aldridge). Some would quibble with Horoford, Bogut and Noah, but I would guess most coaches would be willing to gamble on Ibaka's upside over any of those guys.

The guy is 21 and only Howard, Griffin and Stoudemire have equivalent athleticism. No on knows where he will plateau, but he is improving very quickly.

[Celtic#9]

Here is my arguement:


Can Harden or Ibaka back up Pierce?

Of course not that is why they weren't traded for. Delonte backs up Ray/ Rondo so Harden is uneeded. Can Baby back up KG/ O'neal? Yeppers...

Bonus Question!!!!!!

How many minutes would PP played if Green wasn't there?

[Roy H.]

Bonus Question!!!!!!

How many minutes would PP played if Green wasn't there?

My guess is about 39.0. 

[ballin]

there's a reason that green was available over ibaka and harden.
The other two have more upside, are younger, cheaper, better, and have more definable NBA roles.

100% incorrect. They threw in Jeff Green because we ASKED for him AND because they have Kevin Durant to fill the 3 spot.
It makes me laugh reading a statement like ' Harden has more upside than Jeff Green'. Seriously what a joke.
The way people imagine things to justify their position on the trade on this board sometimes just blows my mind.

Wait, you think they would have given us Ibaka if we asked for him? hahahahhaha

Champber is 100% correct.  Jeff Green, while struggling here, is absolutely a better player than Harden and overall, a better player than Ibaka too.

This thread, and the posters agreeing with it, have no idea what they are talking about.  Besides, we would not have asked for Ibaka anyway because he doesn't fill a need.

Well first of all, every advanced stat and apparently Sam Presti as well disagrees with your position that Jeff Green is better than Harden and Ibaka.

It appears, in fact, that you are the one who doesn't know what he's talking about. Jeff Green isn't struggling here... he's shooting the best fg% of his career and providing nearly the same rebounding, blocks, turnovers, points, etc. per 36 minutes as he has for his entire career. If anything, Jeff Green is playing better than should be expected. And he's still just not that good.

Serge Ibaka is literally 3x as good of a shotblocker and twice as good of a rebounder. He scores nearly an identical number of points per 36 minutes, and he does so more efficiently (EFG%). Ibaka's PER this season is 17.7, which is above average, while Green's is 12.9, which is below average. Ibaka is younger and has far more upside/potential because it's only his second year in the league. There's not a doubt in the world that Serge Ibaka is a better basketball player than Jeff Green.

As for James Harden, he scores more points per 36 minutes than Green, and he does so more efficiently. He averages almost as many rebounds per 36 min. as Green as a SHOOTING GUARD. His PER is 16.4, while again Green's is 12.9. Harden is also younger and has only been in the league for 2 years, and hence has far more upside. Harden is arguably a better player than Green.

[Fan from VT]

Here is my arguement:


Can Harden or Ibaka back up Pierce?

Of course not that is why they weren't traded for. Delonte backs up Ray/ Rondo so Harden is uneeded. Can Baby back up KG/ O'neal? Yeppers...

Bonus Question!!!!!!

How many minutes would PP played if Green wasn't there?

Harden would have been a very good pierce backup.

[Yogi]

  The whole point of this trade was to get a back up for Pierce.  We also needed a center since we were trading Perk.  Collison and Ibaka are power-forwards and Harden is a shooting guard. 
   Oklahoma was looking to move Ibaka into the 4 spot so they did not need Green.  Since they were getting Perk, they didn't need Kristic. 
   Boston had a lot of quality centers and no back up small forward.  Oklahoma had an extra small forward and needed to upgrade their center.  This is the only way the trade could've worked and both sides are happy with the results. 

[jowwwman]

Bonus Question!!!!!!

How many minutes would PP played if Green wasn't there?

My guess is about 39.0. 

What has Green done that some other scrub player couldn't have done as Pierce's backup for around 12 minutes a game. He has given us nothing defensively just watch the highlights of game four and you will see that every shot Melo hits or gets an and 1 on is with Green guarding him. He's a horrible defender. In the first three games he was getting burned by shawne williams and even roger mason on one play. I don't know why people think he's a good defender just because the guy is 6'9" and has the body to be a good defender. But again I guess its the same people that want to bring up Jeff Green's potential to be great. Then again how many players with the "potential" to be an all star end up being a bust. Jeff Green was lucky to have been drafted so early on a team that desperately needed scoring options. The guy is not a winner, he doesn't play with any passion or sense of urgency and he seems like he's just cruising.

Watch the next series Pierce is going to be in the game as long as Lebron is in it because doc is gonna see our lead dwindle with Green guarding Lebron on every play. There's a reason he's only getting 12 minutes a game, and it's not because Doc hasn't figured out his role. It's because he's soft and timid and isn't good for playoff basketball, outside of scoring some shots. It's really mind boggling how so many celtic fans want to desperately believe Green will come around and have a big series when everyone else watching the games realizes that he's given us nothing outside of losing our leads then hitting one timely basket and being praised as the next big thing.


I don't care about potential and the future I want to win now, if we do end up being a contender in the future after the big three leave it won't be with Green as one of the main options. When's the last time you've seen an all star main option on a winning team play so scared and timid. For anyone that wants to argue this, actually watch Green play on offense and defense, don't just look at the stats and say he "oh he pulled 7 rebounds its because of green we won the game" actually watch it and see how he got the rebounds, and how he couldve gotten if he weren't off in space, not near the basket or any defender when on defense.